COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

ShineOn7 wrote: »

For Ireland alone?

Yeah.

Quarter totals for Europe are 200 million for Pfizer and 180 million for Astra Zenaca in Q2 so I took 1% of that for an Irish total.

Cork2021 wrote: »

Looks like only 70m from AZ in Q2?

Having another look I'm seeing a few different sources different numbers.

180 million was the initial target it appears to have been revised downwards. I am also seeing recent claims by Astra Zenaca that they hope to ship more in Europe and it depends on approval of the Dutch factory.

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s not there for the taking. Why is there a belief that there is limitless supplies of the Sputnik vaccine. Very best case we would get some doses in 3 months if we signed a deal today

Best case scenario is that Russia source supply from outside the EU like they did with Hungary but even if this happens supply is likely to be small until the Italian/Swiss production comes online. Also, Ireland have said we will not sign any deals until after EMA approval is achieved and that still seems a little while away.

If/when Sputnik gets EMA approval, either bi-lateral or EU-wide purchases are inevitable (Merkel is interested for example).

Whilst Russian motives are to be questioned, every little helps.

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you think I meant by migrant workers? Ho hum, guess I'm racist. But really, when someone can't argue in good faith and just throws nonsense accusations around it shows they don't have much faith in the rest of what they're saying.

If I say the workers in my local shop aren't wearing masks, that's a problem in how the shop runs itself, if I say the migrant workers aren't wearing masks, that's
a) me assuming they're migrants
b) assuming that migrants are worse at wearing masks then non-migrants (which is probably not true)
c) absolving the manager of the shop of blame
d) blaming my problem on migrants (which is probably the most "brit" statement one could make at the moment)

than that statement is probably a bit racist.

It's not burning crosses and dressing up like a ghost racist, but there can be levels of racism before getting to that.

edit: I will also note if you're willing to retract your statement, I will retract mine.

Deleted User wrote: »

Facts and data:
UK have done 4x as many vaccinations per capita than Ireland or the EU.
Feelings: The Brits are being mean so I don't like them.

Nobody is disagreeing with this, but
a) how they got there was on the backs of others
b) there is lots of other facts and data that you just ignored about how and why they went about it the way they did, the biggest data point being their very high rate of deaths compared to other countries, even more stark as they had extra time to plan compared to some of the worst affected countries.

Reid says people will not get a different vaccine if they turn down what they are offered.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0320/1205096-covid-19/

PMBC wrote: »

It makes a lot of sense for USA to give supplies to nearest neighbours Canada and Mexico.

He's only lending the supplies, they still need to be replenished, meaning global plants will still be under strain. It would have been better when they have all they need, to allow the companies to export rather than using the vaccines for political purposes.

Deleted User wrote: »

I would imagine it’s cheaper and quicker to make new ones than having to develop and validate a cleaning and inspection process

I'd never really thought about this, but do they even attempt to recycle medical waste? i.e. the glass and steel used being broken down and used as the input material for a production factory, or is it all just land fill?

Elessar wrote: »

So according to The Irish Times the Q2 numbers for J&J are:

- 33000 April
- 143000 May
- 429000 June

Anyone know the numbers for Pfizer & AZ for the same months?

I saw that number on RTE site dated 11 or 12 March - it was given as J&J 600,000 total over the three months.
Elsewhere I read that EU were getting 100 million each of the months in Q2.
If those numbers are true and if the mfrs can supply it means an average of
1.2 million for Ireland April, May, June. So 200.000 fully vaccinated and 1million first shots each month. Apologies I dont have the breakdown for the 100 million
Tell me Im right (please)

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snotboogie wrote: »

That's a great thread, it succinctly sums up what took 100's of pages to debate here

It is also full of mistakes. Trump didn't try and buy BioNtech the rumour was about Curevac for one.

PMBC: Expect less than 100m in April, 100m+ in May and about 150m in June.

Wolf359f wrote: »

Yes but they took the 60% for Q1 and came up with 449k AZ for Q1.
With less than 2 weeks to go, AZ still need to deliver 230k by the end of the month to meet the 60% Government penciled in. I can't see that happening.

We'll see, appearently there's large deliveries due in the last days of March from AZ & Pfizer. We'll see what comes to pass

Klonker wrote: »

I'd have absolutely no problem with that and in fact I agree with it.

But I am curious as to who is making that decision. Is it government, the HSE, NIAC or NPHET?

HSE are running the vaccination programme so they make the call.

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

We need to be careful.

The vaccines may be made in Europe but component parts may not be.

We need to be sure we aren't cutting off our nose to spite our face. What if we ban exporting vaccines and someone bans the export of the speciality glass vials they are put in.

The glassware for the Pfizer bioNtech vaccine is a significant portion of the cost of the vaccine due to the speciality fridges.

Are there any elements of the vaccines made in Europe and imported from outside?

Oh I 100% agree . Just saying what I read this morning . Also a letter was issued threatening litigation . I'd say a lot depends on the batch arriving at the end of March