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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7232
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    rusty cole wrote: »
    She might be a bit loopy but she can express her opinion as her right, this cancel culture shyte that USD's student union is going for should be called out.
    Yes she's a bit mad but so what, she's a professor and he opinion should be heard.
    When there's a conflict between your opinion and your job, one of them has to go.

    Imagine a civil engineer who actively campaigned to have the earth recognised as flat. Or a geologist campaigning to demand the bible be recognised as historical fact.

    A member of the faculty of medicine in UCD spreading lies about viral spread and public heath measures, is not fit to occupy a teaching position.

    People can fvck off with this "cancel culture" bollox. Demanding that someone be fired because they're completely unfit for their job is perfectly acceptable.


  • #7233
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,461 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    GP referral data is out. Referrals about 50% higher than Tuesday. Of course, you would expect a spike with GPs closed on Wednesday but it's more of a spike than you would have liked.

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-19_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    I can't understand why so many people are still putting themselves forward for testing. If you have flu like symptoms stay home for 10 days. If you need medical care they give you a test anyway.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7234
    celt262
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭celt262


    JRant wrote: »
    I can't understand why so many people are still putting themselves forward for testing. If you have flu like symptoms stay home for 10 days. If you need medical care they give you a test anyway.

    And who will pay anyone who is working for the 10 days sitting at home?


  • #7235
    NeuralNetwork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭NeuralNetwork


    There’s a big financial side of things and it can’t be ignored but there’s also a big financial side of things to a further wave which also can’t be ignored.

    One area we definitely need to look at is regionalising the response.

    Just as an example if say Cork and Kerry are relatively safe that’s about 11% of our economy more shut down than they might need to be.

    We need to be able to isolate regions from travel risks though or it will keep moving back in, but some notion that a national lockdown is all about fairness is going to lose economic activity that is potentially benefiting the entire country, not just the regions that might be more able to open due to their geographical & economic relatively self contained situation.

    What you can’t have though is opening of national tourism and travel if there are high rates in some areas and not in others.


  • #7236
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭Russman


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Just genuinely curious as to what thought pathways lead you to believe that what we're experiencing and what we have experienced throughout the last 12 months is acceptable.

    Whatever about labelling people lockdown supporters or not (spoiler alert, nobody actually likes lockdowns), regarding whether its acceptable, I genuinely think most people realise we're in the middle of a probably one in a hundred year event and extraordinary measures are required, inconvenient though they are. We can't just say "...global pandemic ? Nah, its ok, doesn't suit me this week, I'll give it a miss, thanks...."
    Our government has broadly followed what most western governments have done. Yes there have been mistakes made, of course there have, especially around inbound travel and a few other things, everyone is learnign on the hoof, but we've by and large been on the same track as our peer countries. There have been differences in the details of restrictions just as there are differences in the cultures of countries. Some have curfews, we don't, some have restaurants open, we don't etc etc. but its all within a restrictions approach to a virus. We've been fairly light touch with regard to the actual enforcement of the restrictions.

    I dunno, I mean what's a workable alternative ? Its been asserted many times that you can't effectively shield any cohort of society. That's not to say I think L5 should be indefinite, but I also don't know enough about viruses and epidemiology and modelling to contradict the people who do.


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  • #7237
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Monster249 wrote: »
    For all the lockdown supporters, a genuine question. What would actually need to happen for your support for the government to bottom out and for you to think we should open up?

    Just genuinely curious as to what thought pathways lead you to believe that what we're experiencing and what we have experienced throughout the last 12 months is acceptable.

    I don't support the government. I place a lot of blame on ff/fg for our health service being where it is on their door.

    I do support lockdown. I also hate lockdowns.

    As to what it would take for us to open up. Hoapitals fully open and able to take care of routine medical care.

    What do we need for that to happen? I'm guessing here but icu below 50 and hospital bed occupancy due to covid around 200.

    Probably lower so we don't immediately lock down again but that's probably the levels for hospitals to be back to normal operation.


  • #7238
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    JRant wrote: »
    I can't understand why so many people are still putting themselves forward for testing. If you have flu like symptoms stay home for 10 days. If you need medical care they give you a test anyway.
    Because people would rather know? And they'd rather know what to do next?

    My daughter got tested yesterday. We're 99.99% sure it's a cold from going to back to school. Happens every time. But we did it anyway, because if it's negative, she can go back to school to Monday. If it's positive, we all have to get tested.

    Just keeping her home for 10 days is less helpful than getting tested.


  • #7239
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    rusty cole wrote: »
    She might be a bit loopy but she can express her opinion as her right, this cancel culture shyte that USD's student union is going for should be called out.
    Yes she's a bit mad but so what, she's a professor and he opinion should be heard.

    Does a tree make a noise in the forest when it falls NO, just walk on and don't listen but calling for her Job is weak and frankly snowflakey.

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/newsireland/ucd-student-union-calls-for-college-probe-into-professors-speech-at-patricks-day-anti-lockdown-event/ar-BB1eKnFR?li=BBr5KbJ
    seamus wrote: »
    When there's a conflict between your opinion and your job, one of them has to go.

    Imagine a civil engineer who actively campaigned to have the earth recognised as flat. Or a geologist campaigning to demand the bible be recognised as historical fact.

    A member of the faculty of medicine in UCD spreading lies about viral spread and public heath measures, is not fit to occupy a teaching position.

    People can fvck off with this "cancel culture" bollox. Demanding that someone be fired because they're completely unfit for their job is perfectly acceptable.


    Hmm. I disagree with any protests at the current time, it's best not to organise mass gatherings or be part of them. Albeit the risk seems to be low enough, previous protests don't seem to have contributed too much to case numbers.

    But I agree with op that there is a bit of 'cancel culture' going on here. They don't like her message, which is their prerogative. But somehow, if one of their professors took to the stage at a BLM or violence against women protest, we would not be hearing these calls for their heads.


  • #7240
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Arghus they do say that restrictions may be in place for other respiratory illnesses. I don't understand what that has to do with Covid.

    Well, that's news to me. Can you point me to where they say this?


  • #7241
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    The 5k should be first measure scrapped. If it’s not, there will be anarchy.


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  • #7242
    SushiLover31
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21 ✭SushiLover31


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    The 5k should be first measure scrapped. If it’s not, there will be anarchy.

    But there actually won't be anarchy. We have all become so complacent. But we can't object to the 5km rule because everyone is just thrown in with the anti vax or anti lockdown crowd.


  • #7243
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    According to the latest leaks cabinet split 50/50 on easing the 5km

    If they keep it in place particularly in areas that have been doing well case wise then I can see more people ignoring the restrictions


  • #7244
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,461 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    seamus wrote: »
    Because people would rather know? And they'd rather know what to do next?

    My daughter got tested yesterday. We're 99.99% sure it's a cold from going to back to school. Happens every time. But we did it anyway, because if it's negative, she can go back to school to Monday. If it's positive, we all have to get tested.

    Just keeping her home for 10 days is less helpful than getting tested.

    Is that within the guidelines though? Genuine question by the way as I know it's different for schools. In my workplace if you have any symptoms you need to isolate for 10 days before returning regardless of a negative test result as it can take a number of days from infection to actually testing positive.

    Would I rather know? Not really being honest, unless I needed medical assistance I don't see the value in it.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7245
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    SushiLover31 wrote: »
    But there actually won't be anarchy. We have all become so complacent. But we can't object to the 5km rule because everyone is just thrown in with the anti vax or anti lockdown crowd.

    Judging by road traffic, many are not obeying it. Time to stop punishing those who are.


  • #7246
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I’ve seen people suggest that even with 0 deaths, we’d still need to take measures to ensure people don’t get sick.

    So I’d imagine there is a cohort out there who would simply prefer to stay closed permanently if it involves less health risks.

    They don’t seem to acknowledge the financial side of things though.

    It would be great if we could stop sales of alcohol and cigarettes, with the money in secondary care saved, we could actually have a functioning mental health support system.


  • #7247
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    JRant wrote: »
    I can't understand why so many people are still putting themselves forward for testing. If you have flu like symptoms stay home for 10 days. If you need medical care they give you a test anyway.

    Unless people get tested, we won't know where the virus is within the community. If everyone just decided to seek medical advice when they absolutely had to .. the virus would be rampant. unmapped and uncontrolled.

    The advice, after a year of all this, is still to get call your doc when you have symptoms and they will decide if you should get tested. Self diagnosing and staying at home on you own initiative deprives wider society of the data that is needed to deal with the still ongoing pandemic.


  • #7248
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It would be great if we could stop sales of alcohol and cigarettes, with the money in secondary care saved, we could actually have a functioning mental health support system.

    Why stop there ? Why not ban food other than potatoes and vegetables . No drinks other than water


  • #7249
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Why stop there ? Why not ban food other than potatoes and vegetables

    Potatoes aren't particularly healthy. Brown grain rice?


  • #7250
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Yeah because prohibition would really work

    The health service would be overrun with those patients having withdrawal symptoms


  • #7251
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,615 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Why the fook haven't we got the go ahead to resume using AZ? 24 hours since the EMA gave the thumbs up and its radio silence here. Incredible levels of incompetence.


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  • #7252
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Get the impression from recent comments that we're going to be pretty disappointed by the changes made on April 5 and on from that

    The increase in cases across Europe will have the government on edge too


  • #7253
    Robxxx7
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Robxxx7


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Why the fook haven't we got the go ahead to resume using AZ? 24 hours since the EMA gave the thumbs up and its radio silence here. Incredible levels of incompetence.

    Because everything we do is slow ass'd f**k ups


  • #7254
    Ger Roe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,199 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    There are at least two oversight expert groups that have to meet and sign off on the findings before passing the 'get out of jail' ass cover note to government.

    It take time to go through the steps required to make sure no blame sticks to Stephen Donnelly. He won't say a word until he has someone else's words to say.


  • #7255
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,615 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Ger Roe wrote: »
    There are at least two oversight expert groups that have to meet and sign off on the findings before passing the 'get out of jail' ass cover note to government.

    It take time to go through the steps required to make sure no blame sticks to Stephen Donnelly.

    The EMA said on Tuesday they didn't see any issues with the vaccine so it was pretty well flagged what the announcement yesterday would be. The fact they couldn't organize the required meetings and sign-offs urgently is a pretty sad indictment. Another day wasted.


  • #7256
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    The 5k should be first measure scrapped. If it’s not, there will be anarchy.

    Will there now? Anarchy in Ireland seems highly unlikely imo. Surveys have shown majority are fatigued. It's a long way from there to anarchy.


  • #7257
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,615 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Will there now? Anarchy in Ireland seems highly unlikely imo. Surveys have shown majority are fatigued. It's a long way from there to anarchy.

    Not anarchy but people will just increasingly ignore it to the point it's not in actual effect.


  • #7258
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    But somehow, if one of their professors took to the stage at a BLM or violence against women protest, we would not be hearing these calls for their heads.
    I'm not sure why someone at a BLM protest would stand up and claim that masks reduce oxygen uptake and cause low IQ in children, but if they were part of any medical group, I would equally expect them to be ejected. It's not about where she said it, it's about what she said.


  • #7259
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    AdamD wrote: »
    Get the impression from recent comments that we're going to be pretty disappointed by the changes made on April 5 and on from that

    The increase in cases across Europe will have the government on edge too

    Did Europe close down when our cases were high? Ya makes sense - let’s preempt a new wave with a new lockdown without ever exiting this one. What will we call the new lockdown? Level 5 light? Level 5 grandé, Level 5 forever?
    Clearly the population are behind destroying our economy, society and futures to curb the spread of this lethal Black Death. We all need to do more didn’t you hear.
    Just don’t look up north, to the uk, to the European travel certificate proposal or to the US and you’ll be grand.


  • #7260
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,349 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Will there now? Anarchy in Ireland seems highly unlikely imo. Surveys have shown majority are fatigued. It's a long way from there to anarchy.

    Ok mass disobedience might be more appropriate.


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  • #7261
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,746 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It would be great if we could stop sales of alcohol and cigarettes, with the money in secondary care saved, we could actually have a functioning mental health support system.

    It would be great if people would just surrender every aspect of their lives to the government, who can mete out basic nutrition for the greater good of society and prohibit any unhealthy activites. No alcohol, cigarettes or obesity would take the strain off the healthcare system.


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