Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Boggles · 19-03-2021 10:22AM

Don't Chute! wrote: »

Said with barely contained glee of course. And by the way, a ten day lockdown? I’d give both my testicles for a ****ing ten day lockdown at this stage.

The "glee" was all with the OP.

And no they aren't pulling out of their rate of growth in 10 days.

Again for those paying attention, 100,000s of more kids returned to school this week here.

I think several European countries would give their glands for our position.

FintanMcluskey · 19-03-2021 10:24AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Even the cows are getting depressed with all these lockdowns:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/emotional-wellbeing-of-dairy-cows-may-be-hurt-by-livestock-lockdown-study-finds-1.4513865

What’s the alternative?

Let it rip and have the vets overwhelmed with sick cows?

There was 35 cows in Intensive Cow Units last night in Westmeath

LameBeaver · 19-03-2021 10:24AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

In this context I'd imagine things like being legally allowed to travel more than a few km, or maybe have a friend or relative allowed to visit you in your home or garden.

It's a very sad situation where basic liberties and freedoms are now considered as goodies.

Everyone, however they feel about the restrictions and response, should let that sink in for a minute.

You forgot to play the usual "Ireland is a police state" card there chief. Sloppy.Tut tut.

Thelonious Monk · 19-03-2021 10:25AM

It has all gotten so weird, I was discussing the governments mishandling of these restrictions and how ridiculous it all is with a friend yesterday and he started saying I should be out marching with Gemma etc and the rest of the right wing loons. Some people think you're a nutjob if you even question the government on this.
It doesn't really affect me that much but it is destroying so many people.

Captain_Crash · 19-03-2021 10:25AM

screamer wrote: »

We already have. They’ve gone in droves. I know of a company that has secured a large contract on mainland Europe and they are inundated with people enquiring about work, even quarantine both sides is not a barrier they just want out of Ireland and to get back to work.

I was to have work starting back in Jan, I could have gone ahead with it as to quote my builder “once there is a hole in the wall on the side of the house the work is essential” but thinking a delay till March would be grand I left it! Last I was speaking to my builder he tells me he’s lost half his contractors to the UK and to other jobs

Don't Chute! · 19-03-2021 10:26AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Even the cows are getting depressed with all these lockdowns:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/emotional-wellbeing-of-dairy-cows-may-be-hurt-by-livestock-lockdown-study-finds-1.4513865

Forget about human mental health guys it’s the cows we need to talk about! Jesus.

gozunda · 19-03-2021 10:27AM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Once again, you're looking at number of cases while failing to take the total population into account. It's almost like you are deliberately ignoring this information at this stage. You've posted misleading information several times now.

As detailed - the duration of the observed spikes had nothing to do with population differences. So no 'information' was ignored btw. Absolutely no need for the aggressive tone or suggest anyone is posting anything 'misleading' .

With regard to the observed differences between Spain and Ireland and the duration of spikes in new cases (which began in the third quarter of last year) show the spike in Spain was much longer than anything experienced here for the same period.

That observation is apparently unaffected by graphs corrected for population size.

Sharpyshoot · 19-03-2021 10:30AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Even the cows are getting depressed with all these lockdowns:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/emotional-wellbeing-of-dairy-cows-may-be-hurt-by-livestock-lockdown-study-finds-1.4513865

And the donkeys in the dail.

LameBeaver · 19-03-2021 10:33AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It has all gotten so weird, I was discussing the governments mishandling of these restrictions and how ridiculous it all is with a friend yesterday and he started saying I should be out marching with Gemma etc and the rest of the right wing loons. Some people think you're a nutjob if you even question the government on this.
It doesn't really affect me that much but it is destroying so many people.

You should learn from your friend. He is absolutely spot on with those comments.

gozunda · 19-03-2021 10:37AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Apologies. You've agreed with me all along. It's early and the gas thing is I had to get a Covid test yesterday. Just waiting on the results!!!

Hope all goes well. Mind yourself.

19-03-2021 10:38AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Finally someone else agrees that per capita is the only real measurement.

Per capita for Spain in deaths over 65 is 0.710% of over 65s.

Per capita for Ireland is 0.588% - only 0.122% of a difference.

As a total population its 0.15% - For Ireland its 0.093% - only 0.06% there.

In under 65s Spains death rate is 0.014% -Irelands is 0.008% so only 0.006 of a percent there.

Like for like we are almost Identical to Spains death rate per capita

[pedant mode]death rate by definition is per capita. So is death rate per capita the death rate squared or the square root of the death rate?[/pedant mode]

whippet · 19-03-2021 10:45AM

I was chatting to my brother who is based in sweden and he was telling me how lockdown does not work etc .... I had to explain to him that we haven't been locked down in a long time.

The government announced a lock down but by and large it hasn't been enforced or stuck to by large portions of the population.

Lockdowns only work if people actually adhere to the rules. So we haven't locked down and that is why we are at the level we are - and if we continue to have a-la-carte adherence to the guidelines we will be here for ever.

The factor of lack of real enforcement, covid fatigue and general 'i'm alright jack' mentality will mean that a government strategy of lockdown will not succeed.

So what are the alternatives?

- stay in pseudo-lockdown until we get a majority of the population vaccinated - which will take the guts of 18 months due to the inefficiences of the EU / HSE / Irish Government ? This will cost more lives, livelihoods and mental torture on the majority of the population.

- open up and sacrifice the unfortunate who will die from the virus and those who will suffer long term effects - while we wait for the vaccines to eventually be rolled out

- Actually stick to the guidelines of lockdown and support the authorities in enforcing those who don't adhere to them ... get as close to zero as possible and then look at opening up sooner than if we decide that pseudo-lockdown is acceptable.

19-03-2021 10:45AM

If they are saying no international travel before 30th June is it likely there will be no inter county travel? I have a hotel booked in Wexford (I'm in Cork) for a week starting the 23rd. It is the only thing I was looking forward too!

facehugger99 · 19-03-2021 10:51AM

Boggles wrote: »

The "glee" was all with the OP.

And no they aren't pulling out of their rate of growth in 10 days.

Again for those paying attention, 100,000s of more kids returned to school this week here.

I think several European countries would give their glands for our position.

One of the longest lockdowns in the world, the 3rd most indebted nation on the planet and rising and 25% of the workforce effectively unemployed.

Yeah, I'm sure they'd love to be in our position.

Hooked · 19-03-2021 10:53AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So it's June now then. I can't say I'm surprised to be honest.

Come June it'll be a "cautious" reopening with restrictions lowered to level 3 (which for most people means very little difference really, especially outside the cities) until we get to maybe late July/early August.

Then the talk will shift again to the reopening of schools and what happened last year - back to level 5 so to prevent that!

I think we can guess what the message will be as we progress into autumn..

Make no mistake here folks.. As long as this country is being run by a group of ass-covering HSE execs and a weak cowardly TD who only wanted his chance in the big chair but had no goals beyond that, this is what is ahead of us.

Despite 12 months of ACTUAL data in this country that shows that only a tiny minority are at any real risk from CV-19, and despite a vaccine roll-out that has immunised most of these (even if it's been botched), we can look forward to being in a worse position than we were last year.

Nail on the absolute head!!!

Hooked · 19-03-2021 10:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If they are saying no international travel before 30th June is it likely there will be no inter county travel? I have a hotel booked in Wexford (I'm in Cork) for a week starting the 23rd. It is the only thing I was looking forward too!

"attending a wedding, funeral - OR - visiting a grave"

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#travel-restrictions

Off you pop!

LameBeaver · 19-03-2021 10:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If they are saying no international travel before 30th June is it likely there will be no inter county travel? I have a hotel booked in Wexford (I'm in Cork) for a week starting the 23rd. It is the only thing I was looking forward too!

Will you not be entitled to a refund if as likely that will be the way it turns out?

gozunda · 19-03-2021 10:59AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

One of the longest lockdowns in the world, the 3rd most indebted nation on the planet and rising and 25% of the workforce effectively unemployed.
Yeah, I'm sure they'd love to be in our position.

I think you forgot something there again.

We're in the middle of a global epidemic

Unfortunately we were seriously indebted long before the Pandemic began.

I'd say the majority of people in countries like Brazil would prefer to be here atm. And no that's not a comparison btw.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-56424611

ypres5 · 19-03-2021 11:00AM

LameBeaver wrote: »

You should learn from your friend. He is absolutely spot on with those comments.

so criticizing the government makes one a right wing loon? how's the weather in pyongyang?

DTownD · 19-03-2021 11:00AM

whippet wrote: »

I was chatting to my brother who is based in sweden and he was telling me how lockdown does not work etc .... I had to explain to him that we haven't been locked down in a long time.

The government announced a lock down but by and large it hasn't been enforced or stuck to by large portions of the population.

_Lockdowns only work if people actually adhere to the rules_. So we haven't locked down and that is why we are at the level we are - and if we continue to have a-la-carte adherence to the guidelines we will be here for ever.

Lockdowns only work if people stick to guidelines.... that's a big ONLY.
The majority of people can't stick to a strict lockdowns for a prolonged period of time - it's human nature.
A lot of countries realise this, NPHET seem oblivious and the government too scared to fall out of line.

THey need to employ some behavioural psychologists who understand the human psych & motivations.

RobitTV · 19-03-2021 11:00AM

Another day begins and here we are again with more miserable news that will really give a boost to everyone. I'm sure all of these threats and bad news will make everyone follow the rules even more. Yawn...

Time get back to normal living guys. You have done your bit and played your part. There is nothing more that can be done since we already in Level 5. People haven't got the energy to care after 12 months and with no end in sight.

Don't bother looking at the daily case figures and the Cybermen / Dalek press conference which takes place afterwards.

the kelt · 19-03-2021 11:00AM

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It has all gotten so weird, I was discussing the governments mishandling of these restrictions and how ridiculous it all is with a friend yesterday and he started saying I should be out marching with Gemma etc and the rest of the right wing loons. Some people think you're a nutjob if you even question the government on this.
It doesn't really affect me that much but it is destroying so many people.

Yeah its amazing how they got that message out there "question something and you're a rightwing/thug/Gemmoid/Nutjob for simply questioning" and many people have just followed that narrative like lemmings!!

Its a little scary to be honest.

Just this morning i was up collecting the pension for my father who lives with us and got talking to a few neighbours and locals whilst in the Q.

The usual talk these days which is of course "COVID" and nothing else and about the reduction in cases stalling etc when i said "well sure with the schools going back obviously theres more people out and about and more cases from schools etc so not entirely unexpected" when one of the people in the Q turned and said to me "sure thats not the issue, havent they told us enough times that schools are completely safe and doesnt result in more cases, how can it be anything to do with schools when they are completely safe, theres no way that ahs had any affect and never did"

I was just about to nod and laugh when i realised that they were actually being serious and I just didnt even bother. Before i got through the Q i was treated to all the other soundbites, house parties/young fellas hanging around and up to no good/protests/breaking 5k. I was even told as a manager of one of the team in the local GAA club i should tell the players to not be out excercising and "running the roads" and i had a responsibility to ensure they were at least exercising within their 5k etc etc.

Im 43 and this person was younger than me!! It even got to the stage when he was finally done and gone one of the old ladies in front of me just turned and said "jaysus christ hes some effin dose that chap" followed by the standard Irish Country saying "sure he couldnt escape it, his father was no better"

I have to say that made my morning!

LameBeaver · 19-03-2021 11:02AM

Hooked wrote: »

"attending a wedding, funeral - OR - visiting a grave"

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#travel-restrictions

Off you pop!

If the hotel isn`t allowed to open in June as is likely to be the case where is he supposed to "pop off" to chief?

RobitTV · 19-03-2021 11:04AM

Just do a "little bit more" guys - we need to keep going for some sort of a goalpost that is never in sight and that is never reached.

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1372619290730500099

DTownD · 19-03-2021 11:05AM

gozunda wrote: »

I think you forgot something there again.

We're in the middle of a global epidemic

Unfortunately we were seriously indebted long before the Pandemic began.

I'd say the majority of people in countries like Brazil would prefer to be here atm. And no that's not a comparison btw.

Most people in Ireland would prefer to be in Portugal...

Portugal, who had the worst cases in Europe, after Ireland in January.

Now they're reopening.... How can they do it and we can't?

They reopened haridressers and bookshops this week...

Easter - public monuments and museums reopened.

Mid-April - Universities, theatres and concert halls will then reopen

Beginining of May - followed by restaurants and sports facilities.

They had worse numbers than us in February - the worst in the world.
How come they can make this plan but we can't?

Hard to fathom the amount of people willing to accept this situation.

19-03-2021 11:06AM

LameBeaver wrote: »

Will you not be entitled to a refund if as likely that will be the way it turns out?

I would be but the same hotel is booked out most of the rest of the Summer, along with a lot of others and we have holidays from work booked off too.

Mike Murdock · 19-03-2021 11:07AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

One of the longest lockdowns in the world, the 3rd most indebted nation on the planet and rising and 25% of the workforce effectively unemployed.

Yeah, I'm sure they'd love to be in our position.

How much of that can be attributed back to the crash of 2008?

19-03-2021 11:07AM

LameBeaver wrote: »

If the hotel isn`t allowed to open in June as is likely to be the case where is he supposed to "pop off" to chief?

We had a weekend booked after Christmas in the same hotel and they cancelled it, they said we needed proof of essential travel to keep the booking.

Thelonious Monk · 19-03-2021 11:09AM

DTownD wrote: »

Portugal had worse numbers than us in February - the worst in the world.
How come they can make this plan but we can't?

Hard to fathom the amount of people willing to accept this situation.

Is it because they followed the rules there? It never looked like a proper lockdown to me this time around in Ireland.

FintanMcluskey · 19-03-2021 11:09AM

DTownD wrote: »

Most people in Ireland would prefer to be in Portugal...

Portugal, who had the worst cases in Europe, after Ireland in January.

Now they're reopening.... How can they do it and we can't?

They reopened haridressers and bookshops this week...

Easter - public monumentsand museums reopened.

Mid-April - Universities, theatres and concert halls will then reopen

Beginining of May - followed by restaurants and sports facilities.

They had worse numbers than us in February - the worst in the world.
How come they can make this plan but we can't?

Hard to fathom the amount of people willing to accept this situation.

Ireland is the laughing stock of the EU. Spoke to a colleague in Flanders recently, he said they can meet in groups of ten and can’t figure out why construction would be closed!

Other nations look at us in total horror at the decisions made to cause unnecessary levels of economic carnage, social and mental health problems.

Who in gods name would want to have be living this life for 6 months if it wasn’t necessary?

Other nations are envious of Ireland me bolix

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