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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7112
    Rosita
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,147 ✭✭✭Rosita


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

    Are you referring to your sister in cockney rhyming slang?

    Why?

    Why not?


  • #7113
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Those vaccinated can't travel because the vaccine 'doesn't work on everyone' according to Ronan Glynn

    By that logic we can never travel so .


  • #7114
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,313 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Is this new wave that they are experiencing across Europe due to the UK variant that we have had since December?

    As usual though I see the media lead with countries/areas going into lockdown although when you look into it more, the level of restrictions vary a lot and are often less than what we have here at present.
    Also seemingly in France you can get tested for covid in any pharmacy with a 15 min result. I wish we were more proactive about testing here.


  • #7115
    Azatadine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,632 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Those vaccinated can't travel because the vaccine 'doesn't work on everyone' according to Ronan Glynn

    By that logic we can never travel so .

    Did he really say that? Jesus....he said that?


  • #7116
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That needs clarification tbh.

    Is the precedent set to prevent the health service becoming overwhelmed in future?

    Is it easier to impose mitigation measures next Winter than to reform the health service?

    The funding won’t be there to reform the health service anyway and a recruitment and pay freeze is much more likely than any improvements.

    It doesn’t. There is no justification for that.


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  • #7117
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Did he really say that? Jesus....he said that?
    The country looks set to face tough restrictions until some time in June after progress in the battle to beat Covid-19 has stalled.

    Any moves to reopen the economy will be cautious until well into the summer amid stubbornly high infection rates and disappointingly slow roll-out of vaccines.
    Deputy chief medical officer Dr Ronan Glynn has indicated that people should expect to be working from home full-time for the next three or four months. “The plan is to proceed very cautiously on the basis of the data in front of us for as long as it takes,” he said.

    “I am hopeful that as we move into June, and those who have been most vulnerable to the severest effects of Covid-19 and millions of doses of vaccines are rolled out to the population, we will be in a much brighter place.”

    He also ruled out any foreign travel before the end of June despite the EU proposals to introduce a digital health passport for people who have been vaccinated, recovered from infection, or had a negative test.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tough-covid-restrictionswill-last-until-june-despite-official-all-clear-for-astrazeneca-vaccine-40214502.html


  • #7118
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Did he really say that? Jesus....he said that?
    It is factual, some may not produce the immune response and it also may not be quite as effective on others. The vast majority can expect a level of protection of some kind.


  • #7119
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Did he really say that? Jesus....he said that?

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1204811/

    Really wouldn't feel me with confidence to get a vaccine at all . Especially the AZ one if there is no guarantees it will work


  • #7120
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    Is this new wave that they are experiencing across Europe due to the UK variant that we have had since December?

    As usual though I see the media lead with countries/areas going into lockdown although when you look into it more, the level of restrictions vary a lot and are often less than what we have here at present.
    Also seemingly in France you can get tested for covid in any pharmacy with a 15 min result. I wish we were more proactive about testing here.
    There's a team here looking into these rapid tests. Schools I believe are likely to be the first place to see them deployed.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rapid-covid-19-tests-to-be-used-in-monitoring-school-outbreaks-1.4497580


  • #7121
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is factual, some may not produce the immune response and it also may not be quite as effective on others. The vast majority can expect a level of protection of some kind.

    Well at that point we all need to move on.


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  • #7122
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1204811/

    Really wouldn't feel me with confidence to get a vaccine at all . Especially the AZ one if there is no guarantees it will work
    It's the same with the annual flu' jabs, which have far lower efficacy, but they still should protect against the worst of it.


  • #7123
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1204811/

    Really wouldn't feel me with confidence to get a vaccine at all . Especially the AZ one if there is no guarantees it will work

    Where did he say they don't work on everyone?


  • #7124
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's factual but it's extremely overcautious. Much like our approach in general.
    At best we'll get to 80% vaccinated but then herd immunity will take care of the level of disease. Unless it dies out there will continue to be cases, but at a very low level.


  • #7125
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Where did he say they don't work on everyone?

    Ok if you're being pedantic . Don't work good enough on an individual basis to justify travel .


  • #7126
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Ok if you're being pedantic . Don't work good enough on an individual basis to justify travel .

    There is often a significant difference between what is actually said and what some read into what is said


  • #7127
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A pay freeze would be a kick in the teeth to the people working in the health service going above and beyond for over a year at this stage.


  • #7128
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,313 ✭✭✭prunudo


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There's a team here looking into these rapid tests. Schools I believe are likely to be the first place to see them deployed.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/rapid-covid-19-tests-to-be-used-in-monitoring-school-outbreaks-1.4497580

    The best scientific brains in the world have developed vaccines and yet here, 1 year later, we have a team looking into it. Certainly can't be accused of rushing into things in this country.


  • #7129
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There is often a significant difference between what is actually said and what some read into what is said

    You think that's a significant difference ? It doesn't offer enough protection to travel .

    He's spoofing .


  • #7130
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,444 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Ok if you're being pedantic . Don't work good enough on an individual basis to justify travel .

    Now, that wasn't so difficult was it?

    And it's not pedantic, but accurate. It was ever so that the vaccine wouldn't allow non-essential international travel until a large cohort is fully vaccinated.

    Maybe stick to the facts and cool the outrage.


  • #7131
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    prunudo wrote: »
    The best scientific brains in the world have developed vaccines and yet here, 1 year later, we have a team looking into it. Certainly can't be accused of rushing into things in this country.
    The resistance to them is that they have had very poor level of accuracy and just don't come anywhere near PCR. IIRC HIQA did a report on them last year. There are now some which are closer but they won't suit all environments. We should hear something soon enough on them.


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  • #7132
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Now, that wasn't so difficult was it?

    And it's not pedantic, but accurate. It was ever so that the vaccine wouldn't allow non-essential international travel until a large cohort is fully vaccinated.

    Maybe stick to the facts and cool the

    Where did he say the above? Link please


  • #7133
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Corruptedmorals wrote: »
    I don't believe it's normal practice to cancel elective care almost totally. All surgeries cancelled except for emergencies, all outpatient clinics cancelled. All staff diverted to covid wards. Staff diverted from other hospitals. ICU's set up in theatres and regular wards. What's normal about that?

    Huge mistakes were made.

    We chose to cancel treatments, screenings as well as forcing half a million out of work and borrowing billions to keep the lights on.

    Hopefully someone is held to account for this


  • #7134
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Huge mistakes were made.

    We chose to cancel treatments, screenings as well as forcing half a million out of work and borrowing billions to keep the lights on.

    Hopefully someone is held to account for this
    Hanging too good for them, eh?


  • #7135
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,905 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    So, per the RTE:https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0319/1204863-astra-zeneca-resume-nphet/ we're now waiting on NPHET to issue an update before resuming vaccines? Or are they resumed and the update merely a formality? Why wait another day, there are vaccines (seemingly about 45000 doses in storage or due in the next few days) that could be in people's arms.

    More deaths and potential lifelong misery due to waffling. Pathetic.


  • #7136
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A pay freeze would be a kick in the teeth to the people working in the health service going above and beyond for over a year at this stage.

    Why? You have jobs while 700000 don’t.
    You should be happy with that surely?

    Pay freezes will be necessary as we have a huge debt to service for the restrictions that you support.

    Pay cuts may well be needed.


  • #7137
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,577 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is factual, some may not produce the immune response and it also may not be quite as effective on others. The vast majority can expect a level of protection of some kind.


    If we are going with the approach that we need to continue restrictions indefinetely because the vaccine might not work on some people then we should roll out assisted suicide to the population for those who no longer wish to live under such conditions.


  • #7138
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Igotadose wrote: »
    So, per the RTE:https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0319/1204863-astra-zeneca-resume-nphet/ we're now waiting on NPHET to issue an update before resuming vaccines? Or are they resumed and the update merely a formality? Why wait another day, there are vaccines (seemingly about 45000 doses in storage or due in the next few days) that could be in people's arms.

    More deaths and potential lifelong misery due to waffling. Pathetic.

    What's worse is that the risk of death from COVID-19 in these vulnerable groups is far, far higher than the risk of developing a blood clot.

    This decision by NPHET will lead to deaths that could have been avoided.


  • #7139
    Astrid Miniature Veteran
    Posts: 2,825 ✭✭✭ Astrid Miniature Veteran


    Now the slow drip information to the Independent of restrictions to June.

    6 months of the year, would never have believed it coming into 2021. What a farce.


  • #7140
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Addison Tangy Soapsuds wrote: »
    Now the slow drip information to the Independent of restrictions to June.

    6 months of the year, would never have believed it coming into 2021. What a farce.

    The key phrase is always, "until at least...[insert month]", or "at the earliest...[insert month]".

    This offers NPHET the delicious possibility of extending restrictions if they deem it necessary, which inevitably they might.


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  • #7141
    Busi_Girl08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,639 ✭✭✭✭Busi_Girl08


    Igotadose wrote: »
    So, per the RTE:https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0319/1204863-astra-zeneca-resume-nphet/ we're now waiting on NPHET to issue an update before resuming vaccines? Or are they resumed and the update merely a formality? Why wait another day, there are vaccines (seemingly about 45000 doses in storage or due in the next few days) that could be in people's arms.

    More deaths and potential lifelong misery due to waffling. Pathetic.

    You'd thnk the 3 groups could have come to some consensus *before* EMA's decision so they could take action quicker?

    e.g.
    "If EMA determines the vaccine is safe for use we are agreed that we will proceed with the following steps"

    not
    "We need to wait for EMA to make their decision before we can discuss"
    "Now EMA has made their decision NPHET needs to discuss"
    "Now EMA has made their decision NIAC need to discuss"
    "Now EMA have made their decision HPRA need to discuss"
    "Now all the above have discussed now all three need to discuss everything again"


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