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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #7082
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,803 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Fintan , you said the same about over 65s vs over 65s in Sweden .
    You were answered by a poster ( CiaranBoyle I think ) who quoted statistics and proved that what you were saying was utter rubbish .
    I refer you to this reply as you obviously either did not read it or see it or you would not have repeated the same ...again , would you ?
    Of course not :)

    If you didn’t happen to see it, I did respond to question mr Boyles understanding of the numbers he posted. Which essentially was a display of complete misunderstanding by himself, and yourself indeed who agreed with him.

    The numbers we have at present, means a citizen over 65 in Sweden had less of a risk of dying from Covid than an Irish citizen over 65.

    That’s not rubbish, that’s just numbers, which not everyone understands how such a statement could be true, given the implications in the media that in Ireland we implemented such severe mitigation measures long term to lower our death rate and protect our vulnerable.

    Because that’s not what happened


  • #7083
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,465 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Again that is my point ! Why did you only read half of what I wrote ?

    I don't think it's fair and that's why we need to mind people , whether they want us to or not , in some way until everyone is vaccinated.
    That to me is the only fair return for what has gone on over the last year !
    I know so many young people who have given up their lives over the last year so that this end where older vulnerable people can be protected and HCWs like myself until vaccination.
    So why now, even though everyone wants to and are sick to the back teeth of restrictions , should we give up and let it RIP and affect those who have given up so much , and may be most affected healthwise and economically in the future ?
    Do you get me?

    95% of all deaths are the 65+ cohort. That's the end game surely.

    By the way, I'm not suggesting we let it rip but surely we can move to at least level 3 in the next few weeks. We need to get something going on the economy sooner rather than later. With HCWs and nursing homes covered it should give us scope to start easing restrictions in April and I'm not just talking about construction and 10km restrictions but some real tangible relaxation of restrictions.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



  • #7084
    Tordelback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 677 ✭✭✭Tordelback


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Lv. 5 lockdown worked when people believed in it. Think of last March..

    Last March (April and May really) there was a 2km exercise limit. All construction and in-person education closed. Playgrounds, beaches closed. Feck-all shops open, long queues at what there was. We basically stayed in our homes. That was not this.

    Level 5 is not a real lockdown, there are too many exemptions that apply unevenly across the population. Instead it's a lingering misery that's neither one thing nor the other.


  • #7085
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see more and more people are starting to play the long Covid card.

    Look, we could lockdown for the next decade and wait for all kinds of studies to take place to try and determine all potential longer term issues.

    Flus, chest infections and other illnesses can cause longer term issues as well...

    We’d all love to live in a world where you can’t get sick. But that’s not this world. So we have to put on our big boy pants and accept the tiny risks.

    Also, financial ruin will thankfully kick in eventually and we’ll have to alter our approach accordingly.


  • #7086
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,005 ✭✭✭Russman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I see more and more people are starting to play the long Covid card.

    Look, we could lockdown for the next decade and wait for all kinds of studies to take place to try and determine all potential longer term issues.

    Flus, chest infections and other illnesses can cause longer term issues as well...

    We’d all love to live in a world where you can’t get sick. But that’s not this world. So we have to put on our big boy pants and accept the tiny risks.

    Also, financial ruin will thankfully kick in eventually and we’ll have to alter our approach accordingly.

    Will our big boy pants help us if hospitals experience what we went through in January again ?


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  • #7087
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,803 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Russman wrote: »
    Will our big boy pants help us if hospitals experience what we went through in January again ?

    With all the HCWs vaccinated that’s unlikely to happen again.

    People forget there is 450,000+ (I think) vaccinated with the first dose

    Christmas is the new Lombardy it seems

    No consideration for what’s changed since


  • #7088
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,803 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    almostover wrote: »
    This is great info, thanks for sharing. Shows the real plight in Irish health care. 1 patient with COVID in UHK and 0 ICU capacity also. The health service is beyond a shambles. A national disgrace that has only been exacerbated by COVID.

    Unfortunately and ironically, that problem won’t be fixed any decade soon with the economic problems looming on the horizon.


  • #7089
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 4,806 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Russman wrote: »
    Will our big boy pants help us if hospitals experience what we went through in January again ?

    What did the hospitals experience in January? You mean a bit busy?

    Show me a January were that didn’t happen.


  • #7090
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm
    Total 334 (down from 343 last night)
    ICU 83 (up from 82 last night)


    Last Thursday
    Total 341
    ICU 87


  • #7091
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    JRant wrote: »
    95% of all deaths are the 65+ cohort. That's the end game surely.

    By the way, I'm not suggesting we let it rip but surely we can move to at least level 3 in the next few weeks. We need to get something going on the economy sooner rather than later. With HCWs and nursing homes covered it should give us scope to start easing restrictions in April and I'm not just talking about construction and 10km restrictions but some real tangible relaxation of restrictions.

    But do you accept that you misunderstand my previous post ?
    You and 2 other posters ripped into me over it , but yet not one of you admitted that , or perish the thought, apologised , when you were all mistaken .
    I was not saying that " I was vaccinated and to hell with young people , and that I didn't care anymore" , the opposite in fact.
    And I certainly am very cognisant of how much people have given up especially young people in the last year and the effects of this awful year on mental health .
    That is why we can't give up now , it isn't fair or right on those people , but it isn't my remit or my wish to force anything on anyone else .
    I totally agree about relaxing restrictons as cases going down and people being vaccinated btw as I have said on more than one occasion .

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  • #7092
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Russman wrote: »
    Will our big boy pants help us if hospitals experience what we went through in January again ?

    Thankfully probably won't happen now that so many elderly vaccinated .
    Bug you could ask that poster will his big boy pants help him if he suffers long Covid which he scorns and cannot work as a result in the future because of it ...oh but the economy ?

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  • #7093
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Thankfully probably won't happen now that so many elderly vaccinated .
    Bug you could ask that poster will his big boy pants help him if he suffers long Covid which he scorns and cannot work as a result in the future because of it ...oh but the economy ?

    Once again you seemingly take opposing viewpoints in two adjacent posts. Don't blame others for ripping into you when it's that difficult to actually narrow down your exact opinions.


  • #7094
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    With all the HCWs vaccinated that’s unlikely to happen again.

    People forget there is 450,000+ (I think) vaccinated with the first dose

    Christmas is the new Lombardy it seems

    No consideration for what’s changed since

    You quote Sweden ad lib with no consideration for what has gone on since...oh dear ;)
    AND please post if you will the link to where you " proved " Mr Boyle wrong as I can't seem to find that ?

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  • #7095
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,642 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital numbers at 8pm
    Total 334 (down from 343 last night)
    ICU 83 (up from 82 last night)


    Last Thursday
    Total 341
    ICU 87

    Very little movement over 7 days unfortunately.
    I see Mayo with 9 new cases/admissions, big jump there.


  • #7096
    Corruptedmorals
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,195 ✭✭✭Corruptedmorals


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    What did the hospitals experience in January? You mean a bit busy?

    Show me a January were that didn’t happen.


    I don't believe it's normal practice to cancel elective care almost totally. All surgeries cancelled except for emergencies, all outpatient clinics cancelled. All staff diverted to covid wards. Staff diverted from other hospitals. ICU's set up in theatres and regular wards. What's normal about that?


  • #7097
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,971 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Monster249 wrote: »
    Once again you seemingly take opposing viewpoints in two adjacent posts. Don't blame others for ripping into you when it's that difficult to actually narrow down your exact opinions.

    At least I gave an opinion other than persistently misreading people's posts in an effort to wind them up .

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  • #7098
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It’s because we feel abandoned , no leadership , no positive messaging , no road out , no hope . People are throwing in the towel and saying F this for a lark

    Yes indeed. I remember posting last year on the vaccine thread I think it was about my fears. That no matter the progress we make in protecting the vulnerable and our hospitals, NPHET would keep us restricted. The rest of Europe would open in response to their vaccine roll out and we would continue to be this predicament.

    There's a paragraph in the road map that refers to the unknowns around the coming autumn and winter. In it NPHET basically say that restrictions may be needed if there are other respiratory illnesses occurring. I mean. What? So even with Covid no longer a risk they will impinge upon our freedoms because of a flu outbreak or bunch of people getting pneumonia. I can't figure it out at all.


  • #7099
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,803 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes indeed. I remember posting last year on the vaccine thread I think it was about my fears. That no matter the progress we make in protecting the vulnerable and our hospitals, NPHET would keep us restricted. The rest of Europe would open in response to their vaccine roll out and we would continue to be this predicament.

    There's a paragraph in the road map that refers to the unknowns around the coming autumn and winter. In it NPHET basically say that restrictions may be needed if there are other respiratory illnesses occurring. I mean. What? So even with Covid no longer a risk they will impinge upon our freedoms because of a flu outbreak or bunch of people getting pneumonia. I can't figure it out at all.

    That needs clarification tbh.

    Is the precedent set to prevent the health service becoming overwhelmed in future?

    Is it easier to impose mitigation measures next Winter than to reform the health service?

    The funding won’t be there to reform the health service anyway and a recruitment and pay freeze is much more likely than any improvements.


  • #7100
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That needs clarification tbh.

    Is the precedent set to prevent the health service becoming overwhelmed in future?

    Is it easier to impose mitigation measures next Winter than to reform the health service?

    The funding won’t be there to reform the health service anyway and a recruitment and pay freeze is much more likely than any improvements.

    Whatever about this country, I highly doubt there is a precedent set for the rest of Europe or the UK so i don't think Ireland will get away with imposing lockdowns independent of everyone else.


  • #7101
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    That needs clarification tbh.

    Is the precedent set to prevent the health service becoming overwhelmed in future?

    Is it easier to impose mitigation measures next Winter than to reform the health service?

    The funding won’t be there to reform the health service anyway and a recruitment and pay freeze is much more likely than any improvements.

    It does. Now I can't remember the exact wording but I do remember be shocked and a bit scared at what I read.

    Interestingly they also mention balancing the need for restrictions with people having a life and how the cure must not be worse that the disease.


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  • #7102
    Steve012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Steve012


    I asked my skin and blister about when we getting the Jab, both early side of 40's, she said next jan... ?

    Work's in international architecture company, needs to travel. Getting vaccinated privately to speed things up.


  • #7103
    Chivito550
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,697 ✭✭✭Chivito550


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes indeed. I remember posting last year on the vaccine thread I think it was about my fears. That no matter the progress we make in protecting the vulnerable and our hospitals, NPHET would keep us restricted. The rest of Europe would open in response to their vaccine roll out and we would continue to be this predicament.

    There's a paragraph in the road map that refers to the unknowns around the coming autumn and winter. In it NPHET basically say that restrictions may be needed if there are other respiratory illnesses occurring. I mean. What? So even with Covid no longer a risk they will impinge upon our freedoms because of a flu outbreak or bunch of people getting pneumonia. I can't figure it out at all.

    Have you a link to this? What page does it appear on? Apologies for the laziness. It's late.


  • #7104
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,053 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Steve012 wrote: »
    I asked my skin and blister about when we getting the Jab, both early side of 40's, she said next jan... ?
    I hope that's not an autocorrect and is in fact some rhyming slang for sister I was heretofore unfamiliar with :)


  • #7105
    JPup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,033 ✭✭✭JPup


    Just regular rhyming slang, no? For sister.

    Early 40s should get your first shot in June or July. Then second shot by late summer or early autumn.


  • #7106
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,523 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It does. Now I can't remember the exact wording but I do remember be shocked and a bit scared at what I read.

    Interestingly they also mention balancing the need for restrictions with people having a life and how the cure must not be worse that the disease.

    IIf we are talking about the same thing - It was in a document sent to government a couple of weeks outlining that, yes, restrictions in the coming Autumn and Winter are not something that can not be completely ruled out.

    But that's just outlining all possible future scenarios to government because we don't actually know how this will all play out over the next few months.

    The hope is - from NPHET, from government, from everybody - that widespread vaccination will have the desired effect and that Covid becomes just another respiratory illness that the system learns to cope with every flu season. That's the scenario that everyone wants to see.

    NPHET aren't licking their lips at the thought of further restrictions next Autumn and Winter they are just outlining to government that there are unknowns and variables from where we are now and you have to be cognisant of that. That's all they are doing, just raising the issue of known unknowns.

    They aren't suggesting that we should shut down for every single respiratory illness. Respiratory illnesses are not new, society doesn't shut down every Winter for them, because we know that society functions normally without causing the health system to collapse.

    But Covid was an entirely different kettle of fish: it's far more infectious, far more virulent and if we'd carried on just the same as any other Winter the health system would have collapsed. We had to undertake massive population level measures to control it and even then it cost thousands of lives. That is not what happens in a normal cold/flu season - they aren't arguing for restrictions in normal circumstances.


  • #7107
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    CNBC - travel from Europe to US


    Biden administration eyes mid-May to begin relaxing Covid travel restrictions, sources say

    The relaxation of restrictions would involve travel across the Mexican and Canadian borders and on inbound travel from the U.K., Europe and Brazil, two sources told CNBC.

    The Biden administration is looking toward the middle of May to relax restrictions on travel across the borders with Mexico and Canada and on inbound international travel from the U.K., Europe and Brazil, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

    While there has not been a policy memo or formal codification of that time frame, the discussion has focused on trying to limit the spread of variants domestically as localities make their own decisions on how quickly to reopen. In the meantime, officials have suggested President Joe Biden and his Covid task force need more time to feel comfortable with reopening borders and increasing the level of air traffic from overseas.

    “There is going to be a sea change in mid-May when vaccines are more widely available to everyone,” according to one senior administration official.


  • #7108
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Steve012 wrote: »
    I asked my skin and blister about when we getting the Jab, both early side of 40's, she said next jan... ?
    Are you referring to your sister in cockney rhyming slang?

    Why?

    Anyway, January is overly pessimistic. Manufacturing will have scaled up massively by then. Vaccine producers will probably be fighting each other to supply governments.
    Work's in international architecture company, needs to travel. Getting vaccinated privately to speed things up.
    Where can one do this?


  • #7109
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Cases really starting to pick up pace in some countries again. Brazil and France in particular


  • #7110
    JRant
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,465 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    But do you accept that you misunderstand my previous post ?
    You and 2 other posters ripped into me over it , but yet not one of you admitted that , or perish the thought, apologised , when you were all mistaken .
    I was not saying that " I was vaccinated and to hell with young people , and that I didn't care anymore" , the opposite in fact.
    And I certainly am very cognisant of how much people have given up especially young people in the last year and the effects of this awful year on mental health .
    That is why we can't give up now , it isn't fair or right on those people , but it isn't my remit or my wish to force anything on anyone else .
    I totally agree about relaxing restrictons as cases going down and people being vaccinated btw as I have said on more than one occasion .

    My apologies so for taking your post in the wrong context. I've read your follow up comments as well now and it's clear that was not your intent.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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  • #7111
    mandrake04
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭mandrake04


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Cases really starting to pick up pace in some countries again. Brazil and France in particular

    The global 7 day average seemed to bottomed out mid Feb and has been on the rise since. Even places like Greece the 7 day average has doubled in the last 4 weeks.


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