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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That seems like a good figure from the swabs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,682 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Interesting change in wording. Based purely on the wording it would seem to me that they are. Wouldn't make any sense to me anyway to change it from admissions to cases otherwise.

    I have an old download of the data from 6th March and it looks like they had started a new column called (SUM_number_of_new_covid_19_cases_co)
    If you download the data from the Hub now, they have that column all filled in for the past year. Looks to be they have changed the reporting on the hub.
    I wonder if anyone has an old screenshot of the admissions chart to compare the figures.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    BlondeBomb wrote: »
    Was the 7 day 3.7% yesterday? How did we get the jump to 3.8%?

    By my maths the 7 day is 3.74% today. Seems they rounded up on the hub for whatever reason


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Funny. It's just data weirdness. The 7-day average is the (Total positive tests for the last seven days) / (Total tests for the last 7 days).

    Yesterday this was 3.7494%. Rounded to one decimal place is 3.7%

    Today it's 3.7504%. rounded to one decimal place is 3.8%

    The actual difference is just 0.001%. But when you round it the difference is amplified by 100.

    It's a freak occurence, just the way the numbers fall.


  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The EU have said it's safe. It's individual countries taking the decision to suspend its use. Surely Mr Farage is supportive of countries exercising their sovereignty by making their own choices. Or is he just being his usual hypocritical self?

    The EU organism has 27 tentacles, all of which act individually for the survival and growth of the entire organism.

    Originally, it was EU vs AstraZeneca and the UK over production.

    Then, it became EU vs AstraZeneca over whether it's safe for over-65s (even though apparently it was safe for a 64-year old).

    Now, it has morphed into the EU vs AstraZeneca over blood clots fears when you are more likely to catch a blood clot by not taking the vaccine, such are the numbers.

    This is never EU vs Pfizer or EU vs Moderna or EU vs Johnson and Johnson.

    It's always EU vs Oxford-AstraZeneca; the UK vaccine.

    Anyone who doesn't think politics is at play does not understand the situation.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    The EU organism has 27 tentacles, all of which act individually for the survival and growth of the entire organism.

    Originally, it was EU vs AstraZeneca and the UK over production.

    Then, it became EU vs AstraZeneca over whether it's safe for over-65s (even though apparently it was safe for a 64-year old).

    Now, it has morphed into the EU vs AstraZeneca over blood clots fears when you are more likely to catch a blood clot by not taking the vaccine, such are the numbers.

    This is never EU vs Pfizer or EU vs Moderna or EU vs Johnson and Johnson.

    It's always EU vs Oxford-AstraZeneca; the UK vaccine.

    Anyone who doesn't think politics is at play does not understand the situation.
    It really didn't have to be that way. They could have felt the love just as much had they not forgotten to make good on their promises. We've drifted into drunken uncle territory with them, the one who always promises to pay you back a week on Tuesday!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,387 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    The EU organism has 27 tentacles, all of which act individually for the survival and growth of the entire organism.

    Originally, it was EU vs AstraZeneca and the UK over production.

    Then, it became EU vs AstraZeneca over whether it's safe for over-65s (even though apparently it was safe for a 64-year old).

    Now, it has morphed into the EU vs AstraZeneca over blood clots fears when you are more likely to catch a blood clot by not taking the vaccine, such are the numbers.

    This is never EU vs Pfizer or EU vs Moderna or EU vs Johnson and Johnson.

    It's always EU vs Oxford-AstraZeneca; the UK vaccine.

    Anyone who doesn't think politics is at play does not understand the situation.

    Maybe at EU level there is a bit of that, but no way that was behind the Irish decision made overnight on Saturday night - they (rightly or wrongly) made a call based on the then new Norwegian data. I presume people don't think they made that decision to "get at" the UK? Postponing the AZ vaccines this week has been a further nightmare for our Government, no way they brought it upon themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,413 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    The EU organism has 27 tentacles, all of which act individually for the survival and growth of the entire organism.

    Originally, it was EU vs AstraZeneca and the UK over production.

    Then, it became EU vs AstraZeneca over whether it's safe for over-65s (even though apparently it was safe for a 64-year old).

    Now, it has morphed into the EU vs AstraZeneca over blood clots fears when you are more likely to catch a blood clot by not taking the vaccine, such are the numbers.

    This is never EU vs Pfizer or EU vs Moderna or EU vs Johnson and Johnson.

    It's always EU vs Oxford-AstraZeneca; the UK vaccine.

    Anyone who doesn't think politics is at play does not understand the situation.


    Why have non-EU countries paused the administration of the vaccine?


  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Why have non-EU countries paused the administration of the vaccine?

    I have hitherto said that Norway etc. is part of the Oort cloud of the EU, and that is to be expected.

    Whilst other countries may suspend the vaccine (Thailand etc.), it appears true that this non-existent blood clot problem is being harnessed as yet another attempt to discredit the UK vaccine.

    Both statements can be true.

    You must ask yourself the question: cui bono? - when you have data that suggests you are more likely to catch a blood clot by not taking the vaccine, and yet the problem is raised as if the reverse were true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Its been proven multiple times now that these outdoor gatherings don't have much if any effect on the virus, or is it only anti lockdown protests that the virus spreads in ?

    Like my mother telling me if I don't behave i won't be let outside

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1371804730557661191?s=19


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,997 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    2 days later EMA re-confirm that AZ vaccine does not cause blood clots - are the EU and Ireland going to continue with vaccination, or just continue with ther sluggish rollout, and never ending lockdowns ?

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/no-indication-astrazeneca-vaccine-caused-blood-clots-says-ema-director-1.4511809?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fno-indication-astrazeneca-vaccine-caused-blood-clots-says-ema-director-1.4511809


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,796 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Its been proven multiple times now that these outdoor gatherings don't have much if any effect on the virus, or is it only anti lockdown protests that the virus spreads in ?

    Like my mother telling me if I don't behave i won't be let outside

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1371804730557661191?s=19

    Why is Harris commenting on that?

    Yet another example of a government that has no communication strategy whatsoever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Its been proven multiple times now that these outdoor gatherings don't have much if any effect on the virus, or is it only anti lockdown protests that the virus spreads in ?

    Like my mother telling me if I don't behave i won't be let outside

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1371804730557661191?s=19

    Simon Harris is like a PE teacher disappointed in his students, telling them there'll be no school tour this year if their behaviour doesn't improve.


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Why is Harris commenting on that?

    Yet another example of a government that has no communication strategy whatsoever.

    And he knows, in comparison with Donnelly, that he actually was considered reasonably decent in the crisis, and that's saying something.

    So any chance to retain some of that credibility perhaps.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    I have hitherto said that Norway etc. is part of the Oort cloud of the EU, and that is to be expected.

    Whilst other countries may suspend the vaccine (Thailand etc.), it appears true that this non-existent blood clot problem is being harnessed as yet another attempt to discredit the UK vaccine.

    Both statements can be true.

    You must ask yourself the question: cui bono? - when you have data that suggests you are more likely to catch a blood clot by not taking the vaccine, and yet the problem is raised as if the reverse were true.

    Across the whole population then yes maybe - but in younger cohorts the clot data is very unusual. Not a lot of younger people have received AZ vaccine, and in those that have the severe clotting issues seen definitely warrant further investigation.

    Remember that all of these vaccines are approved on an emergency basis- they have not been deemed to be 'safe' yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    36 admissions over the past 24 hrs, highest number since 23rd February. They have recently changed the wording on the dashboard from admissions to Total New Confirmed Cases. Wonder are they now including hospital acquired covid in new Hospital figures/admissions now on the dashboard?

    Until now the rate of admission never fully added up to the number of people with covid in hospitals, it will be interesting to see if with this wording changes the numbers start to match.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,587 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I would have agreed with you up to a few weeks ago .Every single person I know or know of is now not sticking to seeing nobody at all . I see people all the time meeting in front and back gardens , in parks on benches and out walking in small groups . We are adults who know we cannot be shut away for 13 weeks and have done our own risk assesment . People who religiously stuck to every restriction up till now are now meeting others outdoors
    They have lost the people now and most people are welll aware of their own and others mental health and looking out for each other .
    The message needs to change and advise outdoor meetings or the people will decide what is right .

    Yeah, I've seen a change in this over the past couple of weeks.

    There were always cohorts of people who bent the rules or did their own thing a bit. But now over the past couple of weeks I'm seeing people who religiously followed the guidelines throughout the pandemic taking a bit more liberty with things.

    The 5k limit doesn't seem to be a thing any more and people seem to be meeting others in more and more settings. I do fear we might lapse into a situation over the next couple of days where a public furore over outdoor meetups leads to lots of groups deciding to take their meetups inside. People are definitely slipping, we need to make sure they only slip as far as outdoor meetups and not as far as indoor socialising and house parties.

    If there's a big backlash against people in parks in the nice weather tomorrow, expect more people to move to house parties over Easter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,515 ✭✭✭goingnowhere


    Good swab numbers for Tuesday
    379
    3.33%
    11,392


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,363 ✭✭✭bloopy


    Amirani wrote: »
    Yeah, I've seen a change in this over the past couple of weeks.

    There were always cohorts of people who bended the rules or did their own thing a bit. But now over the past couple of weeks I'm seeing people who religiously followed the guidelines throughout the pandemic taking a bit more liberty with things.

    The 5k limit doesn't seem to be a thing any more and people seem to be meeting others in more and more settings. I do fear we don't lapse into a situation over the next couple of days where a demonisation of outdoor meetups leads to lots of groups deciding to take their meetups inside. People are definitely slipping, we need to make sure they only slip as far as outdoor meetups and not as far as indoor socialising and house parties.

    It will not matter. The government decided weeks ago that lockdowns continue after Easter anyway with no indication of what the win conditions are.
    When the punishment is the same whether the rules are followed or not, then most will choose (or have already chosen) to ignore them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,582 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    No, you are assuming only two options: Lv. 5 restrictions or letting the virus run naked through society.

    You can weave together a middle-ground, where cases fall into an acceptable range that does not "over-run" the health system, whilst also allowing a greater degree of freedom in society.

    Nobody is suggesting that Lv. 5 would never be re-imposed, as it most likely would have - as it has in some parts of Europe - but at least those same European countries have considered Lv. 3 or Lv. 2 as viable options when cases are low. That hasn't happened here.

    It's about compromise, a word that happens to be impermeable to NPHET.

    You make it sound like it's easy to know what that acceptable range is. Like it's a piece of cake to weave through this vague and undefined "middle ground".

    We don't know what an acceptable range is that doesn't have the potential to start to grow exponentially and put the health system under pressure. And by that point you already have to take action again as a result of that.

    We know that cases can go from the 200s to 10000 inside a month if given enough fuel. The margin of error is tiny and the potential for things to quickly spiral is huge.

    And we're currently at a base of around two and half/three times where we were when we loosened restrictions at Christmas, with a now more transmissible variant dominant. Plot that middle ground of acceptable cases that won't overwhelm the system and will allow things to stay open, in the current context.

    Last Summer things were gradually loosened, but in the context of way lower numbers than what we have now, a less infectious variant of the disease and more people being outdoors where the risk of transmission is far lower.

    I don't know why you keep insisting that level 2-3 has never been tried here. It has. From May of last year restrictions were gradually reduced around the country as case numbers were low.

    Fair enough, some counties were placed back into lockdown for a period at times and some counties went into different levels at different periods to others but from June to October of last year most people in the country could do normal things like go for a meal, go on a holiday, go the cinema, go shopping, meet people. We had that period of being at level 2 and 3, some parts of the country for shorter or longer than others, - I find it strange how so many simply don't seem to remember it happening.

    We're currently waiting to see how the return of schools is going to affect things right now. Unfortunately, it's all baby steps right now.

    Hopefully in the medium term increased vaccination rates will leave us in a better place so that we won't have to worry as acutely about case numbers, as the ratio of hospitalisations to cases will drop dramatically, but we're not there yet and we still have hundreds of cases each day.

    Hundreds can become thousands very, very quickly - we have seen it happen before - we can't be blasé about it and blithely assume it can't happen again.

    This known acceptable middle ground, at this moment, between cases, opening things up in a sustainable way and protecting the health system from screeching to a halt again doesn't exist right now. You don't know what that middle ground is. No-one does. That's the problem.

    Cases have to be lower than what they are now and/or more people have to be vaccinated than what they are now - otherwise we're just deluding ourselves about the sustainability of what we loosen or open up. I'm optimistic that we'll get there in due time, but I don't see the point of rushing into an opening up that isn't sustainable - A lá Christmas - only to make the situation more complicated, fractious and drawn out in the end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,713 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    prunudo wrote: »
    Unless they announce over 1000 cases I don't think anyone cares anymore. Its all background noise now.

    Yeah but it's the government who are only listening to them and there the most important ones


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Simon Harris is like a PE teacher disappointed in his students, telling them there'll be no school tour this year if their behaviour doesn't improve.
    Former MoH carries more weight than current MoH! Oddly I'd expect people to pay more attention to him as he was at the coal face last year and did a decent job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    The mean average age of death was 81.1 years while the median age was 84.0 years for all deaths due to COVID-19 in quarter 3 2020.


    Causes of death between June and September of last year :

    2,356 Cancer

    1,964 Diseases of the circulatory system

    348 Dementia

    333 Respiratory illness

    217 Accidents

    191 Coronavirus

    125 Alzheimers

    94 Suicide



    https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/ep/p-vs/vitalstatisticsthirdquarter2020/

    From :
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/covid-19-one-of-the-lowest-causes-of-death-in-ireland-between-june-and-september-2020-1.4511871


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Tyrants. Scamdemic. Casedemic. Fear mongers.

    Last quarter the number of deaths decreased by 247

    The rona killed 191

    omg conspiracy


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    gctest50 wrote: »
    The mean average age of death was 81.1 years while the median age was 84.0 years for all deaths due to COVID-19 in quarter 3 2020.


    Causes of death between June and September of last year


    Cancer the real scourge on humanity, pity we couldn’t wipe that out.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,734 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    Cancer the real scourge on humanity, pity we couldn’t wipe that out.

    If by closing down everything and restricting people's movements, you could stop cancer deaths - would you do it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,428 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    timmyntc wrote: »
    If by closing down everything and restricting people's movements, you could stop cancer deaths - would you do it?

    If it meant us wiping it out completely yes I would.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,845 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    timmyntc wrote: »
    If by closing down everything and restricting people's movements, you could stop cancer deaths - would you do it?


    The thing is, according to the Dept of Health, on average between 300-500 and it can be up to 1000 people die every Winter in Ireland from flu. This year ZERO. As a society we have accepted these deaths as normal but we eradicated it this winter. Should we do a lockdown every winter?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,662 ✭✭✭pauldry


    The government here thinks lockdowns cure all ales so lets close everything and cancer might bugger off.


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  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strip NPHET of their very well-paid positions and lock them down for 6-months.

    See how long they last before asking for restrictions to be lifted.


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