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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #6392
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AdamD wrote: »
    No but we can't continue to base every decision made in this country on trying to lower case numbers. Covid isn't the only thing happening in this country and we need to stop treating it as such.

    This one-dimensional approach to COVID-19 will be excoriated in years to come when the true extent of the needless and avoidable collateral damage is evaluated, of that I'm sure.


  • #6393
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,146 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    There is a small percentage of people who will always break the rules but there is a majority who are now breaking them because they have become meaningless.

    Take what has happened with the schools since the 1st March, Ignoring secondary, at least 50% of primary teachers would have went back and of those some would have their own kids who didn't go back until this week, for the last two weeks they suddenly needed someone to mind their kids, in a lot of instances they have to rely on the grandparents to do this, or at the very least someone else close to them. Maybe they also have pre-school kids who needed to be collected after their three hours of pre-school. From January to March where you had a lot of households in their own bubbles, that teacher going back into a classroom means there is now a lot of extra mixing between the teachers themselves and with their pupils and also then with whoever is minding their own kids. In instances like these what is the point in sticking to 5km or not mixing with other households when it already justifiably has to happen. In essence due to the complexity of life, the current restrictions have become redundant to a lot of people.


  • #6394
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    AdamD wrote: »
    No but we can't continue to base every decision made in this country on trying to lower case numbers. Covid isn't the only thing happening in this country and we need to stop treating it as such.

    But it's the only thing that will overrun our hospitals, compounding the reality you mention even more.


  • #6395
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Stateofyou wrote: »
    But it's the only thing that will overrun our hospitals, compounding the reality you mention even more.

    No, you are assuming only two options: Lv. 5 restrictions or letting the virus run naked through society.

    You can weave together a middle-ground, where cases fall into an acceptable range that does not "over-run" the health system, whilst also allowing a greater degree of freedom in society.

    Nobody is suggesting that Lv. 5 would never be re-imposed, as it most likely would have - as it has in some parts of Europe - but at least those same European countries have considered Lv. 3 or Lv. 2 as viable options when cases are low. That hasn't happened here.

    It's about compromise, a word that happens to be impermeable to NPHET.


  • #6396
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Ah but you see if we ease level 5 we might have to go into level 5 at some point.

    It's a win-win situation.

    Ease Lv. 5 when cases are ridiculously low; and if those cases rise beyond an unacceptable limit, re-impose Lv. 5.

    But what advantage is there to maintain Lv. 5 indefinitely?

    If it's going to be indefinite, then why not experiment with Lv. 2 or Lv. 3 etc. in between?


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  • #6397
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, you are assuming only two options: Lv. 5 restrictions or letting the virus run naked through society.

    You can weave together a middle-ground, where cases fall into an acceptable range that does not "over-run" the health system, whilst also allowing a greater degree of freedom in society.

    Nobody is suggesting that Lv. 5 would never be re-imposed, as it most likely would have - as it has in some parts of Europe - but at least those same European countries have considered Lv. 3 or Lv. 2 as viable options when cases are low. That hasn't happened here.

    It's about compromise, a word that happens to be impermeable to NPHET.

    I never assumed or implied any such thing, you just did.

    It's obviously a fine line that has to be toed carefully. We have a new variant now that is getting tested for the first time with school going back, without robust enough safety measures in my opinion. The government (hopefully) are poised for a slight easing of restrictions. They're obviously looking for a middle ground, and approaching that cautiously without shítting the proverbial bed here.


  • #6398
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,405 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I don't have an issue with schools being open at this point. I did before but at this point children have been off for long enough and I understand the need to have them back. That being said, I wish NPHET would acknowledge the possibility that the rise in cases in school aged children could have something to do with schools being back. It's too early to say for certain whether schools are the cause, but it's also too early to say for certain that they aren't. I give it a week or two before "household transmission" (wink, wink) becomes a major issue again.

    Agreed, these are figures from Denmark:
    * The coronavirus infection rate is rising among six to nine-year-olds, the age group who returned to school on February 8.
    * Between Weeks 8 and 9, the infection rate rose from 86 cases per 100,000 inhabitants to 108 cases, with the highest risk areas being in the Capital Region and Southern Denmark.
    * Meanwhile, infection rates in almost all other age groups have been in decline, bar people in their 20s, reports TV2.

    https://cphpost.dk/?p=123073

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #6399
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,014 ✭✭✭Russman


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, you are assuming only two options: Lv. 5 restrictions or letting the virus run naked through society.

    You can weave together a middle-ground, where cases fall into an acceptable range that does not "over-run" the health system, whilst also allowing a greater degree of freedom in society.

    Nobody is suggesting that Lv. 5 would never be re-imposed, as it most likely would have - as it has in some parts of Europe - but at least those same European countries have considered Lv. 3 or Lv. 2 as viable options when cases are low. That hasn't happened here.

    It's about compromise, a word that happens to be impermeable to NPHET.

    Absolutely there should be compromise when conditions are right.

    Bear with me here, I'm not using the Christmas event itself to promote a point, but what level would the first 3 weeks of December have been called ? Was it 3 or 2 maybe ? I don't know.
    So, if we went to the same level again right now, and I know Christmas is a unique time, but is it likely the same thing would happen again with cases and hospitalisations when the leash is off ? Again, I don't know. Obviously it looks like NPHET feel it would.

    I'm certainly not advocating L5 indefinitely, I think click & collect and other bits 'n' pieces could easily operate, but if (and its a big if, I'll grant you) its more likely than not that a relaxation would lead to a surge rather than a slow increase in cases, whats the point ? if waiting another month or so til we get a bigger chunk vaccinated ?


  • #6400
    accensi0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    Russman wrote: »
    I'm certainly not advocating L5 indefinitely, I think click & collect and other bits 'n' pieces could easily operate,

    Already have that open.


  • #6401
    corcaigh07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,999 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    accensi0n wrote: »
    Already have that open.

    That's gone a good while and on gov.ie under current Retail guidelines.


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  • #6402
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No, you are assuming only two options: Lv. 5 restrictions or letting the virus run naked through society.

    You can weave together a middle-ground, where cases fall into an acceptable range that does not "over-run" the health system, whilst also allowing a greater degree of freedom in society.

    Nobody is suggesting that Lv. 5 would never be re-imposed, as it most likely would have - as it has in some parts of Europe - but at least those same European countries have considered Lv. 3 or Lv. 2 as viable options when cases are low. That hasn't happened here.

    It's about compromise, a word that happens to be impermeable to NPHET.

    Unfortunately it looks pretty much like that middle ground is where we are now. From the current base any tick above one in the reproductive number is enough to wreak havoc in a very short period of time.


  • #6403
    accensi0n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,031 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    corcaigh07 wrote: »
    That's gone a good while and on gov.ie under current Retail guidelines.

    I've been using it in places. But now that I think about it it's certain types of items right?


  • #6404
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nigel Farage has waded into the AstraZeneca question.

    He, like many others, can see that what is happening re: the AZ-Oxford vaccine. Namely, that it is an example of political maneuvering and not a question of the safety of the vaccine itself.

    Consider that AZ-Oxford vaccine is behind production schedule anyway. Given this scenario, it serves very little disadvantage for the EU to create this bombshell whilst AZ-Oxford production gets back on track. There are other reasons too that could be cited, such as Brexit animosity and an attempt by the EU to blame third-parties for their own abject failure at vaccine rollout.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1371777876035567616


  • #6405
    Tazz T
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,262 ✭✭✭Tazz T


    odyssey06 wrote: »
    Agreed, these are figures from Denmark:
    * The coronavirus infection rate is rising among six to nine-year-olds, the age group who returned to school on February 8.
    * Between Weeks 8 and 9, the infection rate rose from 86 cases per 100,000 inhabitants to 108 cases, with the highest risk areas being in the Capital Region and Southern Denmark.
    * Meanwhile, infection rates in almost all other age groups have been in decline, bar people in their 20s, reports TV2.

    https://cphpost.dk/?p=123073

    Reporting in ROI is really dodgy when it comes to schools with school infections being lumped in with household transmission figures. There was a comparison with figures in the north last year and there was a clear increase in school infections there, yet ours failed to appear. The current blip is due to schools - you can see that blip happen at the same points after schools go back last year. There'll be another blip for the kids going back this week in two weeks. It will be blamed on St Patricks Day and all that partying that didn't happen.

    That said, while schools should have been closed before Xmas, I'm in favour of school gradually reopening now, as should non-essential retail. We need to start opening up as the weather improves like our neighbour and all those other countries that have had completed the third wave. We can have a decent summer while we roll out the vax. Gimme one of those J&J bad boys.


  • #6406
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nigel Farage has waded into the AstraZeneca question.

    He, like many others, can see that what is happening re: the AZ-Oxford vaccine. Namely, that it is an example of political maneuvering and not a question of the safety of the vaccine itself.

    Consider that AZ-Oxford vaccine is behind production schedule anyway. Given this scenario, it serves very little disadvantage for the EU to create this bombshell whilst AZ-Oxford production gets back on track. There are other reasons too that could be cited, such as Brexit animosity and an attempt by the EU to blame third-parties for their own abject failure at vaccine rollout.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1371777876035567616

    Come on!!! You really think this a political move? Politicians like everyone want to get out of lockdown as soon as possible surely like the rest of us - vaccines appear to the most likely solution to this....


  • #6407
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,668 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nigel Farage has waded into the AstraZeneca question.

    He, like many others, can see that what is happening re: the AZ-Oxford vaccine. Namely, that it is an example of political maneuvering and not a question of the safety of the vaccine itself.

    Consider that AZ-Oxford vaccine is behind production schedule anyway. Given this scenario, it serves very little disadvantage for the EU to create this bombshell whilst AZ-Oxford production gets back on track. There are other reasons too that could be cited, such as Brexit animosity and an attempt by the EU to blame third-parties for their own abject failure at vaccine rollout.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1371777876035567616

    The EU have said it's safe. It's individual countries taking the decision to suspend its use. Surely Mr Farage is supportive of countries exercising their sovereignty by making their own choices. Or is he just being his usual hypocritical self?


  • #6408
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It's a win-win situation.

    Ease Lv. 5 when cases are ridiculously low; and if those cases rise beyond an unacceptable limit, re-impose Lv. 5.

    But what advantage is there to maintain Lv. 5 indefinitely?

    If it's going to be indefinite, then why not experiment with Lv. 2 or Lv. 3 etc. in between?

    Do what New Zealand did, go for Zero COVID, then when achieved open up but restrict those coming and leaving here to other ZERO COVID nations.

    No need for any levels unless the virus remerges and then we shut down for a few days until it's eradicated.

    No fuss over vaccines, no lockdowns and people free to enjoy life again.


  • #6409
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    GP referral data for Monday is out. An increase in calls and referrals, as expected on a Monday (probably a bit more of a jump than normal), but no increase in clinically likely covid cases (as assessed by the GP).

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-16_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf


  • #6410
    corcaigh07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,999 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Do what New Zealand did, go for Zero COVID, then when achieved open up but restrict those coming and leaving here to other ZERO COVID nations.

    No need for any levels unless the virus remerges and then we shut down for a few days until it's eradicated.

    No fuss over vaccines, no lockdowns and people free to enjoy life again.

    We are not comparable to NZ. Zero Covid has been debunked many times for this country.


  • #6411
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭maebee


    Dr. Whaley's comments being discussed on Newstalk now.


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  • #6412
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    GP referral data for Monday is out. An increase in calls and referrals, as expected on a Monday (probably a bit more of a jump than normal), but no increase in clinically likely covid cases (as assessed by the GP).

    https://tomorrowscare.ie/covid/2021-03-16_COVID_GP_Survey_Results.pdf

    anecdotally, family member back from the GP this morning. It's a large practise, anyway she's not seen an increase in her referrals coming back postive (and she's literally sending on anyone that asks for a test). She said yesterday was out the door busy with calls they categorised as covid but 90% were related to AstraZeneca. People ringing up saying they'd one dose, what should they do, others with cancelled appointments looking for more information, so far today much calmer she said.

    Shes also doing dose 2 for 85+ this week, has all 80+ done with one dose. Starting on the 70+ age group next week she reckons.


  • #6413
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,682 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    36 admissions over the past 24 hrs, highest number since 23rd February. They have recently changed the wording on the dashboard from admissions to Total New Confirmed Cases. Wonder are they now including hospital acquired covid in new Hospital figures/admissions now on the dashboard?


  • #6414
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    36 admissions over the past 24 hrs, highest number since 23rd February. They have recently changed the wording on the dashboard from admissions to Total New Confirmed Cases. Wonder are they now including hospital acquired covid in new Hospital figures/admissions now on the dashboard?

    Interesting change in wording. Based purely on the wording it would seem to me that they are. Wouldn't make any sense to me anyway to change it from admissions to cases otherwise.


  • #6415
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Nice moving of the goalposts if that's the case


  • #6416
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm last night

    Total 336 (down from 355 night before)
    ICU 85 (down from 86 night before)

    Previous Monday
    Total 392
    ICU 101


  • #6417
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,552 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Swabs out early, someone must be in rush to watch Cheltenham haha

    379 positive swabs, 3.33% positivity on 11,392 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 3.8%.


  • #6418
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    379 positive swabs out of 11,392 - 3.33%

    That's a good result for today. Doesn't change the 7-day, however it is the lowest two consecutive days in a long, long time. Positivity under 3.4% AND swabs under 400.

    Hopefully Philip Nolan's suggestion that we had a "blip" like we did in October, plays out and the next few days have good numbers too.


  • #6419
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Swabs out early

    379 positive swabs, 3.33% positivity on 11,392 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 3.8%.

    Good news, similar numbers for the rest of the week would be great progress


  • #6420
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    414 from 12330 tests this day last weeks

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1369319322779344900

    Seems to have revised up to 454 here though

    https://covid19.shanehastings.eu/api/swabs/


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  • #6421
    BlondeBomb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 419 ✭✭BlondeBomb


    Was the 7 day 3.7% yesterday? How did we get the jump to 3.8%?


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