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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭Curse These Metal Hands


    titan18 wrote: »
    Tbf, it's also 6 people in the video. Who knows if there's more than that in the pub, as they clearly don't give a damn about the restrictions

    See some other videos doing the rounds. This is a regular thing it seems. But sure God bless them they are fed up, why not have a Sunday night party and rub it everyone's faces on social media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    Unless all the others decided to shut up and hide behind the camera while filming this, I'm going to say I'm pretty confident it's just them.

    You reckon, personally when I break the law I don't film my self doing it and post it on social media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    quokula wrote: »
    It's true that it's nature's virus, but it's also true that the UK's failure to lockdown adequately or control the virus in any way turned the country into a massive petri dish that allowed the virus ample opportunity to mutate.

    It's no coincidence that two of the most problematic variants in the world have come from the UK and Brazil, the two countries with the absolute worst handling of the pandemic of all major nations on earth.

    Why is it acceptable to associate these variants with their place of origin but not the original strain?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    See some other videos doing the rounds. This is a regular thing it seems. But sure God bless them they are fed up, why not have a Sunday night party and rub it everyone's faces on social media.

    We're all fed up, or at least 95% of us are anyway. Still no excuse to head to a pub.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭boardise


    I think the train has left the station on that one and i really don’t appreciate being called a racist about it. The British variant, the South African variant, the Brazilian Variant the Californian variant. Used by multiple commentators and indeed experts and advisors. I am not someone who has called for borders to be closed.

    First of all I didn't I call you a racist . I referred deliberately to the term 'quasi-racist'. Can you not appreciate the nuance ?

    Second of all- you chose to use gratuitous terms like 'their nasty' variant -
    what 's the point in adding superfluous irrelevant words like that ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Anyone have the hospital numbers for today?


  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Philip Nolan must be preparing his lecture notes for this evening.

    What are the chances he will kick off with the phrase, "I am deeply concerned about the indicators of disease"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Why is it acceptable to associate these variants with their place of origin but not the original strain?

    Political conveniency.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    boardise wrote: »
    First of all I didn't I call you a racist . I referred deliberately to the term 'quasi-racist'. Can you not appreciate the nuance ?

    Second of all- you chose to use gratuitous terms like 'their nasty' variant -
    what 's the point in adding superfluous irrelevant words like that ?

    bit like 'quasi-pregnant', not sure there is much nuance there.


  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    bit like 'quasi-pregnant', not sure there is much nuance there.

    If the intention is to smear an entire people based on the location where a variant was identified - not knowing its absolute origin of source, then there is a racial dimension to these kinds of comment.

    Referring to it as the "English variant" that they unleashed on the rest of us implies some degree of collective national responsibility.

    Here is what another poster said:
    So the Brits left Europe, left a bad smell all over Europe (the variant) and then managed to get a good chunk or vaccines out of Europe.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    If the intention is to smear an entire people based on the location where a variant was identified - not knowing its absolute origin of source, then there is a racial dimension to these kinds of comment.

    Referring to it as the "English variant" that they unleashed on the rest of us implies some degree of collective national responsibility.

    Here is what another poster said:

    Very anglophobic of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Philip Nolan must be preparing his lecture notes for this evening.

    What are the chances he will kick off with the phrase, "I am deeply concerned about the indicators of disease"?

    If he's deeply concerned about the indicators of disease then I'd say the chances he says so are high. If he isn't then I'd guess the chances are low.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    seamus wrote: »
    You can see this still a nice linear drop. 315-335 should be the number this day next week, but still can't rule out a plateau of sorts. Averaged 25 admissions/day last week.

    It looks like we've turned a corner of sorts. Not a good one, but not a terrible one. Average weekly admissions today are 22, which is still slightly down, but dropping very slowly. It might be 20/21 this day next week.

    For the first time in a good while, hospital numbers are larger than expected at the start of the week. 360 today. It's still a drop, discharges are on average still beating admissions. So we should continue to see hospital numbers dropping, but a good bit slower than they have been thus far.

    Weekly drops;
    25th - 30th: Down 454 (23%)
    Feb 2nd - 6th: Down 330 (21.6%)
    9th - 13th: Down 314 (26%)
    15th - 20th: Down 197 (21.5%)
    22nd- 27th: Down 196 (26%)
    Mar 1st - 6th: Down 140 (25%)
    Mar 8th - 13th: Down 83 (19.6%)

    I wouldn't be confident at this stage of 200 by Easter. I think right now any projection beyond next week is fraught because we may have hit a bit of an inflection point.

    If we're under 300 this day next week, we should be happy. We should also have a better indicator of what way the trends are going.

    ====

    ICU is still looking OK, solid downward trend continuing. But then ICU lags behind by 10-14 days anyway.

    Number of deaths in ICU is down considerably this week. Looks like 8 this week compared to 18 the previous week, and 30 the week before that.

    At this stage, it's all eyes on ICU I think. With cases and hospital numbers beginning to plateau, the key metric will be whether this translates to ICU numbers or whether the vaccination programme is making a difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,697 ✭✭✭boardise


    bit like 'quasi-pregnant', not sure there is much nuance there.

    I'd say you suffer some deficiencies in the semantics department.

    There's no comparison at all between 'pregnancy'( physical state ) and 'racism'
    ( mental attitude) - your attempt at equivalence is laughably nonsensical.

    Plus, why not have a bash at googling 'quasi' before coming out with such unsustainable statements ?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Pisses me off when I hear of healthcare workers spreading **** about the vaccines! My granny came home scared out of her mind after her dentist warned her that she's at higher risk of spreading covid to all her dental patients now after getting vaccinated , because the vaccine entails having a 'little bit' of covid injected into you.
    And my granny believed it, Thought she'd just been up close and personal having an infectious person peering into her open gob. Yeh we spent a whole year distancing only to inject it into everybody. It's the vaccinated who are the real danger to society now!

    Seriously infuriating to see random people in medical environments abusing the status , the fact they work in a hospital doesn't necessarily mean they know anything more about covid or vaccines than the layman..clearly! Unfortunately that white coat allows them to say anything with authority about anything in a separate medical field and many will believe them to have more trustworthy views on it than the general public.

    I know someone who's a physical therapist, and they're anti-covid, anti-vaxx, anti-everything. They're the ones that should care about health but nope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    boardise wrote: »
    I'd say you suffer some deficiencies in the semantics department.

    There's no comparison at all between 'pregnancy'( physical state ) and 'racism'
    ( mental attitude) - your attempt at equivalence is laughably nonsensical.

    Plus, why not have a bash at googling 'quasi' before coming out with such unsustainable statements ?

    Well since you suggested it. You could have meant one ot two things.

    1. Seemingly racist, but not. If you did this then it would have been inconsistent with the rest of your argument.

    2. Being partially or almost racist. This seems to fit most with the flow of your arguement. Only problm with this use is that like being pregnant, there is no such thing as being partially racist.

    But of course, if you were suggesting that the label "English variant" is not racist. Why bring up the racist word in the first palce.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    GP figures out (for Friday) and decent enough. Slightly up on Thursday (which was the best figure so far in 2021) but still down on the previous Friday and a slight general downward trend still visible.

    Presumably these figures should be the canary in the mine for any sudden growth in the virus.


  • Posts: 1,839 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    It looks like we've turned a corner of sorts. Not a good one, but not a terrible one. Average weekly admissions today are 22, which is still slightly down, but dropping very slowly. It might be 20/21 this day next week.

    For the first time in a good while, hospital numbers are larger than expected at the start of the week. 360 today. It's still a drop, discharges are on average still beating admissions. So we should continue to see hospital numbers dropping, but a good bit slower than they have been thus far.

    Weekly drops;
    25th - 30th: Down 454 (23%)
    Feb 2nd - 6th: Down 330 (21.6%)
    9th - 13th: Down 314 (26%)
    15th - 20th: Down 197 (21.5%)
    22nd- 27th: Down 196 (26%)
    Mar 1st - 6th: Down 140 (25%)
    Mar 8th - 13th: Down 83 (19.6%)

    I wouldn't be confident at this stage of 200 by Easter. I think right now any projection beyond next week is fraught because we may have hit a bit of an inflection point.

    If we're under 300 this day next week, we should be happy. We should also have a better indicator of what way the trends are going.

    ====

    ICU is still looking OK, solid downward trend continuing. But then ICU lags behind by 10-14 days anyway.

    Number of deaths in ICU is down considerably this week. Looks like 8 this week compared to 18 the previous week, and 30 the week before that.

    At this stage, it's all eyes on ICU I think. With cases and hospital numbers beginning to plateau, the key metric will be whether this translates to ICU numbers or whether the vaccination programme is making a difference.


    With schools back, I would expect the numbers to start increasing. The potential for young adults to spread the virus in their homes is now highly likely and already we have seen many schools having infection outbreaks.

    Nothing has changed other than a few thousand vaccinated, the reality is we opened the schools far too soon, and whilst the virus and the main variants is out there it has the potential to spread yet again.

    I expect the government having to decide to close the schools again if the number as I expect will be much higher by Easter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    GP figures out (for Friday) and decent enough. Slightly up on Thursday (which was the best figure so far in 2021) but still down on the previous Friday and a slight general downward trend still visible.

    Presumably these figures should be the canary in the mine for any sudden growth in the virus.

    I might be mistaken, but didn't NPHET say that they've seen an increase in GP referrals in one of the last briefings? I wonder why we don't see it in the data from GPBuddy - I guess that's a volunteer based system, but i would expect to see an increase anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,513 ✭✭✭bb1234567


    I know someone who's a physical therapist, and they're anti-covid, anti-vaxx, anti-everything. They're the ones that should care about health but nope.

    Some of the most staunch anti vaxxers I know of, not just COVID but vaccines in general, are nurses and nursing home carers. It's very odd, you'd wonder how that happens and why they'd choose to enter employment in healthcare systems they have always had such clear distrust of and who's intentions they consider malicious and nefarious.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Some of the most staunch anti vaxxers I know of, not just COVID but vaccines in general, are nurses and nursing home carers. It's very odd, you'd wonder how that happens and why they'd choose to enter employment in healthcare systems they have always had such clear distrust of and who's intentions they consider malicious and nefarious.

    Big pharma doesn't exactly have a great track record.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

    I'd warrant there are a subset of medical professionals who are in the job to help and care for others but who also have a distrust when it comes to pharmaceutical companies.


  • Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    EUROPEAN UPDATE

    Europe is being convulsed by a third wave, which appears to be principally driven by the variant identified in Kent (B117).

    Changes in cases over the past 2-weeks

    ITALY - up 50% (with 54% being the UK variant)

    FRANCE - up 1% (with 65.3% being the UK variant)

    GERMANY - up 9% (with 46.1% being the UK variant)

    NETHERLANDS - up 3%

    SWEDEN - up 6%

    ESTONIA - up 58%

    POLAND - up 63%

    AUSTRIA - up 63%

    HUNGARY - up 108%

    SERBIA - up 29%

    GREECE - up 48%

    The Iberian peninsula has, however, experienced a decline in cases over the past 2-weeks:

    SPAIN - down 33%

    PORTUGAL - down 49%

    The UK has experienced a drop of a third in cases over the past 2-weeks.

    Czech Republic has had to send some patients to Poland due to saturation of critical care capacity.

    ...and this is likely to get worse across the continent before it gets better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    EUROPEAN UPDATE

    Europe is being convulsed by a third wave, which appears to be principally driven by the variant identified in Kent (B117).

    Changes in cases over the past 2-weeks

    ITALY - up 50% (with 54% being the UK variant)

    FRANCE - up 1% (with 65.3% being the UK variant)

    GERMANY - up 9% (with 46.1% being the UK variant)

    NETHERLANDS - up 3%

    SWEDEN - up 6%

    ESTONIA - up 58%

    POLAND - up 63%

    AUSTRIA - up 63%

    HUNGARY - up 108%

    SERBIA - up 29%

    GREECE - up 48%

    The Iberian peninsula has, however, experienced a decline in cases over the past 2-weeks:

    SPAIN - down 33%

    PORTUGAL - down 49%

    The UK has experienced a drop of a third in cases over the past 2-weeks.

    Czech Republic has had to send some patients to Poland due to saturation of critical care capacity.

    ...and this is likely to get worse across the continent before it gets better.

    Can you add the actual numbers instead of percentages please? Very vague post , are you purposely trying to frighten us


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    The numbers are pretty grim, wont make you feel any better


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,067 ✭✭✭✭Panthro




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Panthro wrote: »

    Would be humiliating for the EU politically , but Europe can do with all the vaccines it can get right now


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,603 ✭✭✭User1998


    seamus wrote: »
    I wouldn't be confident at this stage of 200 by Easter. I think right now any projection beyond next week is fraught because we may have hit a bit of an inflection point.

    If we're under 300 this day next week, we should be happy. We should also have a better indicator of what way the trends are going.

    Would it not be reasonable enough to assume that we will probably never see anything below 250-300 cases? Especially with schools opening fully, construction half open, some workers back in the office, and the likely 5km limit, click & collect, and construction opening back up. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people are sick of the restrictions


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Given the noises around Europe and our own recent stall, I wonder is another uptick in store. It would be a nightmare if we had to keep going like this until the end of June.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    ek motor wrote: »
    Would be humiliating for the EU politically , but Europe can do with all the vaccines it can get right now

    At this stage the EU needs to stop grandstanding and eat some humble pie. Their citizens are suffering.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    User1998 wrote: »
    Would it not be reasonable enough to assume that we will probably never see anything below 250-300 cases? Especially with schools opening fully, construction half open, some workers back in the office, and the likely 5km limit, click & collect, and construction opening back up. Not to mention the fact that a lot of people are sick of the restrictions

    You are probably right!

    Even when we left lockdown 2 at the start of December think we were still at like 250/300....


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