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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5852
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,376 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    is_that_so wrote: »
    HCWs apparently, in Norway.
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/three-health-workers-who-got-astrazeneca-vaccine-treated-for-blood-clots-norway-says-1095615.html

    When you read that (reduced platelets etc) you can see why they were scared about rolling out to the medically vulnerable today.


  • #5853
    humberklog
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,896 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I've been following Denmark's numbers in relation to Ireland's since the outbreak as it's the easiest comparative EU country to Ireland.
    Denmark's infection numbers have been remaining doggedly in the 600-700 per day for the last couple of weeks. Denmark are doing better than Ireland in vaccine roll-out ( 900kish even though their EU allocation should be much of a muchness to Ireland's allocation).

    So I don't know if we're doing too much wrong at the moment in relation to reducing infection rates.

    On AZ, I only know of 2 people over 65 who've received it. My friends parents in Scotland (whose father had a history of manageable mild angina) got their 2nd dose in mid Feb. My friend is back home in Edinburgh this weekend burying his father.


  • #5854
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,451 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    It will be hilarious if this decision is reversed later today or tomorrow.

    Hilarious in a bad way.


  • #5855
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,268 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    It will be hilarious if this decision is reversed later today or tomorrow.

    Hilarious in a bad way.

    It will be very reassuring actually . I am glad to see NIAC being cautious and careful what they recommend for the community


  • #5856
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    That's tinfoil hat territory.

    I've read today that apparently the Irish are spiteful, hateful and jealous and only doing this because of those reasons and that we're EU. Ridiculous how paranoid and sensitive some are. In what world would it make sense for us to this for the reasons above. Seems some on here share this opinion after saying its a political decision. These people can't be taken seriously. Absolutely Pathetic.


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  • #5857
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It will be very reassuring actually . I am glad to see NIAC being cautious and careful what they recommend for the community

    It wouldnt be reassuring at all actually. Because nothing could have changed within a few hours so dramatically that would justify the stop and then the u-turn. Nothing in terms of analysis could have happened in that short a time anyway. Within those few hours they would have just about had enough time to sift through the information. A u-turn within the same day would smell of headless chicken incompetence nothing else.

    Therefore I dont think there will be a u-turn. I think they're bad but I dont think they're that bad. On the other hand, they've surprised me before on that front.


  • #5858
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,268 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    It wouldnt be reassuring at all actually. Because nothing could have changed within a few hours so dramatically that would justify the stop and then the u-turn. Nothing in terms of analysis could have happened in that short a time anyway. Within those few hours they would have just about had enough time to sift through the information. A u-turn within the same day would smell of headless chicken incompetence nothing else.

    Therefore I dont think there will be a u-turn. I think they're bad but I dont think they're that bad. On the other hand, they've surprised me before on that front.

    Well we all know they are not going to reverse it in a few hours anyway dont we


  • #5859
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,396 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    Well we all know they are not going to reverse it in a few hours anyway dont we

    If they would that would be final proof that they're like a deer in the headlights nothing else.


  • #5860
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    If they would that would be final proof that they're like a deer in the headlights nothing else.

    Meanwhile, some people go looking for deers without headlights.


  • #5861
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    https://twitter.com/Coronavirusgoo1/status/1371062416390361088?s=19

    Seems like there have been more events from the Pfizer vaccine than AZ (although pretty much the same)

    I don't want to be "That Guy" but It's hard not to look at this cynically and think there may be politics at play.


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  • #5862
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,085 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Coronavirusgoo1/status/1371062416390361088?s=19

    Seems like there have been more events from the Pfizer vaccine than AZ (although pretty much the same)

    I don't want to be "That Guy" but It's hard not to look at this cynically and think there may be politics at play.

    Potentially. However it was not too long ago that the Pfizer vaccine was supposed to be killing old people. Whatever the reasons we need a systematic way of dealing with such reports. I think regulatory bodies such as the EMEA should decide if such vaccines should be temporarily halted or not.

    Any slowing of vaccine rollout will kill people and further damage he economy so I would be skeptical towards those who suggest stalling this vaccine is a cautious approach. To me it’s the opposite.


  • #5863
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Coronavirusgoo1/status/1371062416390361088?s=19

    Seems like there have been more events from the Pfizer vaccine than AZ (although pretty much the same)

    I don't want to be "That Guy" but It's hard not to look at this cynically and think there may be politics at play.


    People need to remember that all the vaccines are not approved yet.

    They all have emergency use authorisation which means that any adverse events may come under closer scrutiny - other thing to consider is that U.K. and EU have different approval agencies - MHRA vs EMA...

    I think this is probably over cautious - main concern is that why HPRA and other agencies are doing this before EMA - ideally there would be a consolidated approach to any pause in administration


  • #5864
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,844 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Cherish all the mammies and nanas today that are here and thinking of any not here but watching over, take care everyone

    No matter what people tell you, words and ideas can change this World



  • #5865
    adam240610
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 891 ✭✭✭adam240610


    I made a few comparison charts between Ireland and the EU, thought i'd chuck them in here if anyone found them interesting


  • #5866
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,471 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    People need to remember that all the vaccines are not approved yet.

    They all have emergency use authorisation which means that any adverse events may come under closer scrutiny - other thing to consider is that U.K. and EU have different approval agencies - MHRA vs EMA...

    I think this is probably over cautious - main concern is that why HPRA and other agencies are doing this before EMA - ideally there would be a consolidated approach to any pause in administration

    Conditional marketing authorisation is not the same as emergency use authorisation. See below

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_2390#:~:text=A%20Conditional%20Marketing%20Authorisation%20(CMA)%20follows%20a%20controlled%20and%20robust,use%20of%20the%20unauthorised%20vaccine.


  • #5867
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/Coronavirusgoo1/status/1371062416390361088?s=19

    Seems like there have been more events from the Pfizer vaccine than AZ (although pretty much the same)

    I don't want to be "That Guy" but It's hard not to look at this cynically and think there may be politics at play.
    One of the things clinical trials cannot do is identify very rare occurrences, mass use will do that. That looks like the caution here and it's health not politics. We won't know for sure until it's been investigated. It may be nothing or that in certain cases extra precautions may need to be taken.


  • #5868
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Conditional marketing authorisation is not the same as emergency use authorisation. See below

    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_2390#:~:text=A%20Conditional%20Marketing%20Authorisation%20(CMA)%20follows%20a%20controlled%20and%20robust,use%20of%20the%20unauthorised%20vaccine.


    You are correct but while technically different -

    they’re essentially the same thing in terms of an accelerated approval of a product without real time stability or full data set required for approval

    My point is that with either conditional or emergency use authorisation there is probably more focus on any adverse events


  • #5869
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭h2005


    Do we need to rethink our approach to vaccinations? Should we be vaccinating children and teachers now? It looks to me that there's a correlation between the recent uptick in numbers and schools reopening. Adults should be able to take the necessary precautions to minimise the risk of spread. Kids not so much.


  • #5870
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,674 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    h2005 wrote: »
    Do we need to rethink our approach to vaccinations? Should we be vaccinating children and teachers now? It looks to me that there's a correlation between the recent uptick in numbers and schools reopening. Adults should be able to take the necessary precautions to minimise the risk of spread. Kids not so much.

    That would mean delaying the vaccination of at risk groups though. I think that protection from illness and death needs to be the priority.


  • #5871
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    the rise in cases is to do with more people out and about, house parties, hell I was in a traffic jam last night at 8 and I only popped out to get a bottle of milk.
    These recent funerals and weddings and the planned protests won't help our numbers going forward. Then there is people who've been compliant breaking the guidelines because they others doing it, the sheer stupidity:(


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  • #5872
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,097 ✭✭✭✭fits


    h2005 wrote: »
    Do we need to rethink our approach to vaccinations? Should we be vaccinating children and teachers now? It looks to me that there's a correlation between the recent uptick in numbers and schools reopening. Adults should be able to take the necessary precautions to minimise the risk of spread. Kids not so much.

    There’s no vaccine licensed for use in children. Clinical trials only starting for >6 with AZ vaccine. It will be 2022 for most.

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  • #5873
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,789 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    h2005 wrote: »
    Do we need to rethink our approach to vaccinations? Should we be vaccinating children and teachers now? It looks to me that there's a correlation between the recent uptick in numbers and schools reopening. Adults should be able to take the necessary precautions to minimise the risk of spread. Kids not so much.

    Not a chance


  • #5874
    VeVeX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭VeVeX


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    the rise in cases is to do with more people out and about, house parties, hell I was in a traffic jam last night at 8 and I only popped out to get a bottle of milk.
    These recent funerals and weddings and the planned protests won't help our numbers going forward. Then there is people who've been compliant breaking the guidelines because they others doing it, the sheer stupidity:(

    The sheer stupidity of everyone else in this traffic jam.


  • #5875
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭h2005


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    That would mean delaying the vaccination of at risk groups though. I think that protection from illness and death needs to be the priority.

    My point is, is that by vaccinating this group are we reducing the risk to others? Anyways as another poster pointed out, there is no vaccine for children at the moment so it's a moot point.


  • #5876
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,088 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Why couldn't the Six Nations tournament have been concluded last Autumn, when other sporting events were allowed to resume after the first lockdown, instead of continuing the tournament this year?


  • #5877
    User1998
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,613 ✭✭✭User1998


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    the rise in cases is to do with more people out and about, house parties, hell I was in a traffic jam last night at 8 and I only popped out to get a bottle of milk.
    These recent funerals and weddings and the planned protests won't help our numbers going forward. Then there is people who've been compliant breaking the guidelines because they others doing it, the sheer stupidity:(

    There was traffic everywhere yesterday because of Mothers Day. Of course blame the young people having these so called house party with no evidence to back it up. Leaving your house for ONLY a bottle of milk is sheer stupidity, you could have gotten that with your full shop :(


  • #5878
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why couldn't the Six Nations tournament have been concluded last Autumn, when other sporting events were allowed to resume after the first lockdown, instead of continuing the tournament this year?
    you do realise that the 6 nations is a yearly tournament and statrted fresh last month


  • #5879
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,328 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    political analyst wrote: »
    Why couldn't the Six Nations tournament have been concluded last Autumn, when other sporting events were allowed to resume after the first lockdown, instead of continuing the tournament this year?

    They're now playing this year's tournament as scheduled. :confused:


  • #5880
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,853 ✭✭✭✭blade1


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  • #5881
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    I'm praying this Astra vaccine doesn't fail otherwise ireland will be in a forever lockdown.


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