All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

King Mob · 12-03-2021 10:58pm

GT89 wrote: »

I don't have any particular reason for not wanting to take the vaccine other than I have no interest in taking one same reason I don't own an iPhone because I have no interest in owning one. I have had the shots you get as a child because I had no choice if I was making the decision now I'd refuse. I am not against vaccines for people who want to get them.

You don't want to get the vaccine for no other reason than to be contrarian.

What a ridiculous and selfish line of reason.

King Mob · 12-03-2021 11:01pm

GT89 wrote: »

They didn't try it as they pussied out of herd immunity.

Again, I don't think you even know what vaccines are.

The only way to actually get herd immunity without a whole bunch of people getting very sick is to use vaccines.

You getting the vaccine would contribute to herd immunity. And this is doubly so as you seem to be ignoring restrictions and taking no measures to stop yourself from potentially spreading the virus more.

So remind us again why you're not getting the vaccine?
Why is it reasonable for you that thousands of vulnerable people to be placed under house arrest, but you don't have to have the inconvenience of getting an injection?

runawaybishop · 12-03-2021 11:07pm

GT89 wrote: »

So instead of putting half the population under house arrest put the whole population under house arrest because that's what's happening. Now that has to be the silliest argument in favour of lockdown I have ever heard.

They didn't try it as they pussied out of herd immunity.

Think about this logically ffs.

We are in level 5, it sucks but you can still meet a mate for a walk, go outside for a run, go to the shops, kids are at school, construction partially closed but a lot working away and more coming soon. Its crap, but the alternative is 2 million people literally not allowed to leave their houses. Aside from how much worse that is for them, who is going to look after them? What do you do about the vulnerable who live with the 'non-vulnerable'?, shunt them off to an island? Serious question btw.

And say we did that, as the UK did, and then realised that some of the people we thought were not at risk were actually at risk and due to massive spreading because of no restrictions our hospitals reached capacity, as the UK did. What then? The UK didn't pussy out, they realised it didn't work.

Let me be clear - I absolutely detest lockdowns. I just don't think cocooning is a viable alternative.

runawaybishop · 12-03-2021 11:08pm

King Mob wrote: »

Why is it reasonable for you that thousands of vulnerable people to be placed under house arrest, but you don't have to have the inconvenience of getting an injection?

Question of the thread imo.

aido79 · 12-03-2021 11:17pm

GT89 wrote: »

So instead of putting half the population under house arrest put the whole population under house arrest because that's what's happening. Now that has to be the silliest argument in favour of lockdown I have ever heard.

They didn't try it as they pussied out of herd immunity.

Who is under house arrest?

I'm gonna take a wild guess here but I'm fairly sure the course you've deferred from this year is not related to medicine?

GT89 · 12-03-2021 11:23pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

Think about this logically ffs.

We are in level 5, it sucks but you can still meet a mate for a walk, go outside for a run, go to the shops, kids are at school, construction partially closed but a lot working away and more coming soon. Its crap, but the alternative is 2 million people literally not allowed to leave their houses. Aside from how much worse that is for them, who is going to look after them? What do you do about the vulnerable who live with the 'non-vulnerable'?, shunt them off to an island? Serious question btw.

And say we did that, as the UK did, and then realised that some of the people we thought were not at risk were actually at risk and due to massive spreading because of no restrictions our hospitals reached capacity, as the UK did. What then? The UK didn't pussy out, they realised it didn't work.

Let me be clear - I absolutely detest lockdowns. I just don't think cocooning is a viable alternative.

You do realise the chances of catching covid outdoors are virtually zero. The vulnerable can choose the amount of risk they want to take. If they want to go out and live normally nothing stopping them if they feel the risk is to great then they can take measures that work. Whatever you do no situation is going to eliminate all risk. It works in Florida why wouldn't it work here.

As for the vulnerable living with the non vulnerable they can do whatever the hell they like. Cooconing was only ever advisory it was never intended to be legally enforceable.

King Mob · 12-03-2021 11:28pm

GT89 wrote: »

You do realise the chances of catching covid outdoors are virtually zero.

Unless of course you meet someone like yourself who takes no precautions and didn't get vaccinated for literally no reason.

GT89 wrote: »

The vulnerable can choose the amount of risk they want to take. If they want to go out and live normally nothing stopping them if they feel the risk is to great then they can take measures that work. Whatever you do no situation is going to eliminate all risk. It works in Florida why wouldn't it work here.

As for the vulnerable living with the non vulnerable they can do whatever the hell they like. Cooconing was only ever advisory it was never intended to be legally enforceable.

Or how about you just get the vaccine and reduce the risk even more and contribute to herd immunity?

runawaybishop · 12-03-2021 11:31pm

GT89 wrote: »

You do realise the chances of catching covid outdoors are virtually zero. The vulnerable can choose the amount of risk they want to take. If they want to go out and live normally nothing stopping them if they feel the risk is to great then they can take measures that work. Whatever you do no situation is going to eliminate all risk. It works in Florida why wouldn't it work here.

As for the vulnerable living with the non vulnerable they can do whatever the hell they like. Cooconing was only ever advisory it was never intended to be legally enforceable.

You have not addressed my points. So they can go outside, big deal, who is bringing them food?

The vulnerable cocooning also means their 1000s of carers can also go get fcuked? That's what you are saying.

You are regurgitating some sh1te you heard off some antivax/covid grifter. It makes no logical sense. Instead of calling other people sheep maybe think for yourself for once.

Dohnjoe · 12-03-2021 11:37pm

A lot of this going on in the thread

GT89 · 12-03-2021 11:47pm

King Mob wrote: »

Again, I don't think you even know what vaccines are.

The only way to actually get herd immunity without a whole bunch of people getting very sick is to use vaccines.

You getting the vaccine would contribute to herd immunity. And this is doubly so as you seem to be ignoring restrictions and taking no measures to stop yourself from potentially spreading the virus more.

So remind us again why you're not getting the vaccine?
Why is it reasonable for you that thousands of vulnerable people to be placed under house arrest, but you don't have to have the inconvenience of getting an injection?

I am not getting the vaccine because I do not have any particular interest in taking the shot. Anyway I am probably in the lowest priority category anyway so by the time I am due for it most people who are more vulnerable than me will have gotten it anyway and would be immune.

Vaccines work by producing antibodies in order to protect an individual from illness. So by me not taking a vaccine I'm not putting anyone at risk except myself and others who choose not to take the vaccine.

It is reasonable for me to not take a vaccine because we all have a thing called bodily autonomy which is protected under the Irish constitution just like you have the right not to be circumcised say for example. If you think it is unreasonable for me or anybody else to not take a vaccine does that me you think forcing people to be vaccinated against their will is reasonable?

GT89 · 12-03-2021 11:51pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

You have not addressed my points. So they can go outside, big deal, who is bringing them food?

Their food can be left at the doorstep can't it. Almost every supermarket has being doing no contact delivery since last March.

GT89 · 12-03-2021 11:55pm

King Mob wrote: »

Unless of course you meet someone like yourself who takes no precautions and didn't get vaccinated for literally no reason.

Or how about you just get the vaccine and reduce the risk even more and contribute to herd immunity?

Hold on for a minute there. You do realise I haven't even been offered a vaccine yet. Are the vulnerable not putting themselves in great danger right now if they go for a walk considering the vast majority of people have yet to be vaccinated?

King Mob · 13-03-2021 12:09am

GT89 wrote: »

Hold on for a minute there. You do realise I haven't even been offered a vaccine yet. Are the vulnerable not putting themselves in great danger right now if they go for a walk considering the vast majority of people have yet to be vaccinated?

Hold on a minute, you're demanding an answer after dodging who knows how many questions.
That's hypocritical. Why are you doing that? Why are you dodging questions in the first place?

And to answer yours: Yes.

You could reduce this risk by being less selfish and taking more precautions. You can reduce this further by getting the vaccine when it becomes availible to you.

You however have stated that you will not do either of these things for literially no other reason than you can't be bothered.
This is a bizarre stance.

King Mob · 13-03-2021 12:13am

GT89 wrote: »

Vaccines work by producing antibodies in order to protect an individual from illness.

Yes. The exact same way that happens when a person is infected by the virus, only without the symptoms that make them sick.

So why do you think this method can't produce herd immunity?

GT89 wrote: »

It is reasonable for me to not take a vaccine because we all have a thing called bodily autonomy

Cool. And what reason are you using to enforce this right? Laziness? Stubbornness? Because you fell for some con artist on bitchute?

You're within your rights to not get the vaccine, as dispite failed predictions from conspiracy theorists, no one is forcing you.
However, people also have the right to point out that your refusal for literally no reason is a bit dumb, selfish and pointless.

Vulnerable people also have a right to freedom of movement, yet you seem to be ok with forcing them to forgo that right so that your rights aren't slightly affected and inconvienced.
So is your logic that it's okay to violate peoples rights as long as it benefits/doesn't effect you?

Dohnjoe · 13-03-2021 12:14am

GT89 wrote: »

You do realise the chances of catching covid outdoors are virtually zero.

Are the vulnerable not putting themselves in great danger right now if they go for a walk considering the vast majority of people have yet to be vaccinated?

Well which is it, going for a walk is safe or dangerous?

GT89 · 13-03-2021 12:25am

King Mob wrote: »

Hold on a minute, you're demanding an answer after dodging who knows how many questions.
That's hypocritical. Why are you doing that? Why are you dodging questions in the first place?

And to answer yours: Yes.

You could reduce this risk by being less selfish and taking more precautions. You can reduce this further by getting the vaccine when it becomes availible to you.

You however have stated that you will not do either of these things for literially no other reason than you can't be bothered.
This is a bizarre stance.

I don't nessecarily have the answers to all of your questions tbh. Anyway this is boards.ie not questions and answers. But back to the topic at hand.

I do not understand how I am being selfish right now. It's not like I even have the choice I cannot do the things I want to do because many of the activities I want to do are closed indefinitely meaning they are not available to me.

Maybe I am selfish if I don't take the shot. I'm perfectly fine with that with some people thinking I am selfish tbh.

King Mob · 13-03-2021 12:39am

GT89 wrote: »

I don't nessecarily have the answers to all of your questions tbh. Anyway this is boards.ie not questions and answers. But back to the topic at hand.

Then why not just say that? Why dodge?
And, yes, this is a discussion site. Questions are part of a discussion. If you don't want to answer questions, then maybe you should start a youtube channel where you can rant into a camera.

Dodging questions rather than admit you can't answer them makes you dishonest.

The fact you can't answer a lot of our questions shows that your position isn't very well informed or thought out.

GT89 wrote: »

I do not understand how I am being selfish right now. It's not like I even have the choice I cannot do the things I want to do because many of the activities I want to do are closed indefinitely meaning they are not available to me.

Poor baby.
Over 2 million people have died.

GT89 wrote: »

Maybe I am selfish if I don't take the shot. I'm perfectly fine with that with some people thinking I am selfish tbh.

Yup.
Selfish, dishonest and ill informed.

pearcider · 13-03-2021 12:45am

King Mob wrote: »

Again, I don't think you even know what vaccines are.

The only way to actually get herd immunity without a whole bunch of people getting very sick is to use vaccines.

You getting the vaccine would contribute to herd immunity. And this is doubly so as you seem to be ignoring restrictions and taking no measures to stop yourself from potentially spreading the virus more.

So remind us again why you're not getting the vaccine?
Why is it reasonable for you that thousands of vulnerable people to be placed under house arrest, but you don't have to have the inconvenience of getting an injection?

I’m not getting the vaccine because I do not consent to it. Simple as that. You cannot force people to take medication that’s what totalitarian states do. I’d rather die than be forced to take something against my will. The so called “vaccines” only got emergency use authorisation. They were not developed and approved in the normal fashion. Everyone knows they were rushed out. Who knows what the long term effects are? They didn’t do proper trials. I’d rather just get the disease - my chance of dying is 1 in 10,000 and that’s using the US figures where most of the victims are clinically obese. I’ll take those odds. Cheers.

GT89 · 13-03-2021 12:46am

King Mob wrote: »

Yes. The exact same way that happens when a person is infected by the virus, only without the symptoms that make them sick.

So why do you think this method can't produce herd immunity?

I never said it won't produce herd immunity but with a vaccine I don't think herd immunity is nessecary. Take the vaccine you not going to get sick from covid so it makes no difference to you if the next person is not vaccinated. It is not someone elses concern if you are not vaccinated.

Cool. And what reason are you using to enforce this right? Laziness? Stubbornness? Because you fell for some con artist on bitchute?

You're within your rights to not get the vaccine, as dispite failed predictions from conspiracy theorists, no one is forcing you.
However, people also have the right to point out that your refusal for literally no reason is a bit dumb, selfish and pointless.

Vulnerable people also have a right to freedom of movement, yet you seem to be ok with forcing them to forgo that right so that your rights aren't slightly affected and inconvienced.
So is your logic that it's okay to violate peoples rights as long as it benefits/doesn't effect you?

Stubborness perhaps. I am quite a stubborn person.

Look people are entitled to think that and tbh I could not really give a fcuk what others think of me once I am happy that's all that matters to me.

Yes I agree vulnerable people have a right to freedom of movement. If a new covid law came in that allowed say pubs to open but only for under 70s without an underlying condition I would be against that as I believe that people who are classed as vulnerable are entitled to make their own decisions also.

Cooconing for the vulnerable is a voluntary measure. Some vulnerable people haven't stepped out outside the door since Feburary 2020 others still go about their business as they did pre covid.

GT89 · 13-03-2021 12:47am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Well which is it, going for a walk is safe or dangerous?

Safe

King Mob · 13-03-2021 12:51am

pearcider wrote: »

I’m not getting the vaccine because I do not consent to it. Simple as that. You cannot force people to take medication that’s what totalitarian states do. I’d rather die than be forced to take something against my will.

Sure and no one is forcing you.
People however are still free to point out that your reasons are complete bull****.
Like the below.

pearcider wrote: »

The so called “vaccines” only got emergency use authorisation.

No need for the scare quotes. They are vaccines.

pearcider wrote: »

They were not developed and approved in the normal fashion. Everyone knows they were rushed out.

Cool. Since everyone knows this, please point out where in the development and approval something was fraudulent or incorrect.

I don't think this is something you can do as your claim is vague and hollow and just repeated from anti vaxx cranks.

pearcider wrote: »

Who knows what the long term effects are?

What long term effects are you concerned about specifically?

Again, same as above.

pearcider wrote: »

They didn’t do proper trials.

This is an outright lie.

pearcider wrote: »

I’d rather just get the disease - my chance of dying is 1 in 10,000 and that’s using the US figures where most of the victims are clinically obese. I’ll take those odds. Cheers.

And also, not actually true.

Could you also tell us what the chances of dying are from taking the vaccine?
Could you also tell us what the long term effects of covid infection are other than death?

Could you also perhaps explain which measure you believe are going to be permanent?
I suspect you are going to dodge and run away from these questions.

King Mob · 13-03-2021 12:54am

GT89 wrote: »

I never said it won't produce herd immunity but with a vaccine I don't think herd immunity is nessecary. Take the vaccine you not going to get sick from covid so it makes no difference to you if the next person is not vaccinated. It is not someone elses concern if you are not vaccinated.

Lol. That's not how it works.
Again, you're showing your ignorance on the matter.

GT89 wrote: »

Look people are entitled to think that and tbh I could not really give a fcuk what others think of me once I am happy that's all that matters to me.

Yup. That's pretty apparent.

At least you're being honest about your motivations and the ignorance behind them.

pearcider · 13-03-2021 12:56am

They are not vaccines. Before covid 19 not one single mRNA “vaccine” or therapy was ever approved for use in humans. Not a single one in history. So calling them a vaccine like the ones we give to infants is pure marketing baloney to make them more acceptable to the public. Let that sink in.

pearcider · 13-03-2021 12:58am

One more point they didn’t do proper trials because if they did they wouldn’t require emergency use authorisation from the regulators. Like duh.

King Mob · 13-03-2021 1:02am

pearcider wrote: »

They are not vaccines. Before covid 19 not one single mRNA “vaccine” or therapy was ever approved for use in humans. Not a single one in history. So calling them a vaccine like the ones we give to infants is pure marketing baloney to make them more acceptable to the public. Let that sink in.

Lol Nonsense. They are vaccines.

pearcider wrote: »

One more point they didn’t do proper trials because if they did they wouldn’t require emergency use authorisation from the regulators. Like duh.

Ok. If that's the case, answer my question please.

If you can't answer it, you could just admit you can't.
Dodging like this just makes you look dishonest.

GT89 · 13-03-2021 1:03am

King Mob wrote: »

Then why not just say that? Why dodge?
And, yes, this is a discussion site. Questions are part of a discussion. If you don't want to answer questions, then maybe you should start a youtube channel where you can rant into a camera.

Questions can be part of the discussion I agree. Even I try to answer your questions you will accuse me of dodging them. Maybe if I am very good at dodging awkward questions I should become a politician. Maybe I already have a YouTube channel where I rant into a camera how do you know?

Even if I answer the questions you will still probably still accuse me of dodging them either way as it's clear you've nailed your colours to the mast and you aren't going to change your mind and that's not having a dig.

Poor baby.
Over 2 million people have died.

People die every day but our lives aren't put on hold. Actually if I was in Florida right now I could do most of the things I want to do so I don't why it should be different in Ireland tbh.

pearcider · 13-03-2021 1:05am

I’ve said my piece. You’re a disingenuous poster and not worth engaging with. I do not and will not consent to the mRNA “vaccine.” And I am not alone.

King Mob · 13-03-2021 1:10am

GT89 wrote: »

Questions can be part of the discussion I agree. Even I try to answer your questions you will accuse me of dodging them.

No, you don't try to answer questions.
You will make half assed attempts to answer some questions, but ignore others completely. And when people explain why your half assed answers aren't actually addressing the point, you ignore that also.

For example you still have not actually addressed the question put to you.
Why are you ignoring questions?

GT89 wrote: »

aren't going to change your mind and that's not having a dig.

No. You and your conspiracy theory pals lying and dodging difficult questions isn't very convincing to me.

GT89 wrote: »

People die every day but our lives aren't put on hold.

Ah sure, it's only a couple million people. As long as you can go to the pub...

King Mob · 13-03-2021 1:12am

pearcider wrote: »

I’ve said my piece.

Yes, you've made claims you can't support and told a couple of lies.

pearcider wrote: »

You’re a disingenuous poster and not worth engaging with.

Lol, you're dodging questions because you can't answer them. You're now trying to throw a strop to avoid this reality.

It's very telling and it's kinda robbed you of any credibility.

pearcider wrote: »

I do not and will not consent to the mRNA “vaccine.” And I am not alone.

Cool. And you're doing this because you've been duped by bull**** on the internet. You're still doing it even though you know it's bull**** you can't defend from a bare level of questioning.

So yea. Good job. Stick it to the man!

PintOfView · 13-03-2021 8:03am

GT89 wrote: »

People die every day but our lives aren't put on hold. Actually if I was in Florida right now I could do most of the things I want to do so I don't why it should be different in Ireland tbh.

Couple of points...
Florida's lowest day time temperature for the next week is 25 C (highest 28 C), so already better than our summer!
Most places where people congregate will either be outdoors, or will have windows/doors open and be well ventilated, which should reduce transmission of the virus.
Ireland still has a couple of months to go before we can consistently have windows & doors open, so it's not comparing like for like
(look what happened in December when people let their guard down)

Next, their vaccinations have been going well, and next Monday they are moving down to over 60's, so much more vaccinations done than ourselves, so risk is less than Ireland today.

Also, their death rates are much higher than us,
https://public.tableau.com/profile/dataviz8737#!/vizhome/shared/PCFDSDDNM
so they're not out of the woods yet, and it will be another couple of months before we see if their decision to open up works out.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-03-2021 8:04am

GT89 wrote: »

Questions can be part of the discussion I agree. Even I try to answer your questions you will accuse me of dodging them. Maybe if I am very good at dodging awkward questions I should become a politician. Maybe I already have a YouTube channel where I rant into a camera how do you know?

Even if I answer the questions you will still probably still accuse me of dodging them either way as it's clear you've nailed your colours to the mast and you aren't going to change your mind and that's not having a dig.

People die every day but our lives aren't put on hold. Actually if I was in Florida right now I could do most of the things I want to do so I don't why it should be different in Ireland tbh.

You could also own a gun, get a drive through marriage, and visit Disney world....two totally different countries.

PintOfView · 13-03-2021 8:05am

pearcider wrote: »

... I do not and will not consent to the mRNA “vaccine.” And I am not alone.

Not all the Covid vaccines are mRNA.

AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines use the same principle as the flu vaccine.
see -> https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/blog/explaining-johnson-johnson-astrazeneca-vaccines

arccosh · 13-03-2021 8:24am

pearcider wrote: »

I’ve said my piece. You’re a disingenuous poster and not worth engaging with. I do not and will not consent to the mRNA “vaccine.” And I am not alone.

Are you going to get the Astrazenica one then? Or is a blanket no to all, under the not taking mRNA vaccine guise?

aido79 · 13-03-2021 9:25am

pearcider wrote: »

They are not vaccines. Before covid 19 not one single mRNA “vaccine” or therapy was ever approved for use in humans. Not a single one in history. So calling them a vaccine like the ones we give to infants is pure marketing baloney to make them more acceptable to the public. Let that sink in.

Are you qualified to make these statements or is it just something you found on Facebook?

https://images.app.goo.gl/2eCJCUnrHWU9sWa98

pearcider · 13-03-2021 10:10am

aido79 wrote: »

Are you qualified to make these statements or is it just something you found on Facebook?

https://images.app.goo.gl/2eCJCUnrHWU9sWa98

Ah this old chestnut. Not qualified so not allowed an opinion. I fear for our society with yes men like you deriding and belittling the opinion of others. You’re just like king mob. Disrespectful, arrogant and nasty posters who are enemies to critical thinking. How dare anyone express an unapproved opinion. People like you will lead us back into totalitarianism and should be stopped and confronted at all costs.

The bit about mRNA never being approved for human therapy before the FDA gave emergency use authorisation for this batch is just a fact. Readily verifiable online.

I won’t take the vaccine because the benefits outweighs the risks (which are huge for a therapy that has been rushed out under emergency use authorisation) for someone my age.

Calling it a vaccine like the ones we give babies is rubbish they are licensed for human use for many decades. They never had to get emergency use authorisation.

pearcider · 13-03-2021 10:14am

arccosh wrote: »

Are you going to get the Astrazenica one then? Or is a blanket no to all, under the not taking mRNA vaccine guise?

I won’t take anything that got emergency use authorisation nor will I take anything for a disease that is not dangerous for a fit young person. Furthermore I expect my decision to be respected and not to be coerced into it whether by people like you or by businesses who will refuse me entry if I don’t have their “passport”.

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2021 10:29am

pearcider wrote: »

I won’t take anything that got emergency use authorisation nor will I take anything for a disease that is not dangerous for a fit young person. Furthermore I expect my decision to be respected and not to be coerced into it whether by people like you or by businesses who will refuse me entry if I don’t have their “passport”.

Which is fine as long as that fit young person adheres to government rules until all of those more at risk have been vaccinated. If they don't, they're just another piece of selfish faeces.

aido79 · 13-03-2021 10:43am

pearcider wrote: »

Ah this old chestnut. Not qualified so not allowed an opinion. I fear for our society with yes men like you deriding and belittling the opinion of others. You’re just like king mob. Disrespectful, arrogant and nasty posters who are enemies to critical thinking. How dare anyone express an unapproved opinion. People like you will lead us back into totalitarianism and should be stopped and confronted at all costs.

The bit about mRNA never being approved for human therapy before the FDA gave emergency use authorisation for this batch is just a fact. Readily verifiable online.

I won’t take the vaccine because the benefits outweighs the risks (which are huge for a therapy that has been rushed out under emergency use authorisation) for someone my age.

Calling it a vaccine like the ones we give babies is rubbish they are licensed for human use for many decades. They never had to get emergency use authorisation.

I think after all this time we've actually found a real life conspiracy theorist. Would you be willing to discuss the actual topic of the thread?

Your post is just like a copy and paste from any of the nonsensical unqualified posts that are all over certain Facebook groups full of antivaxers.
Have you done any of your own to prove that the mRNA is not a vaccine?

Do you have any issues with the licenced vaccines as you call them? These weren't exactly welcomed by everyone either when they were first trialled.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/23/vaccine-scepticism-how-to-tackle-it

pearcider · 13-03-2021 11:08am

aido79 wrote: »

I think after all this time we've actually found a real life conspiracy theorist. Would you be willing to discuss the actual topic of the thread?

Your post is just like a copy and paste from any of the nonsensical unqualified posts that are all over certain Facebook groups full of antivaxers.
Have you done any of your own to prove that the mRNA is not a vaccine?

Do you have any issues with the licenced vaccines as you call them? These weren't exactly welcomed by everyone either when they were first trialled.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/23/vaccine-scepticism-how-to-tackle-it

It’s hardly a copy and paste it’s two sentences. Not taking a novel treatment when we don’t have long ranging clinical trial data. Not taking something that had to get emergency use authorisation from the FDA. Not particularly worried about COVID-19 as I know people who’ve had it and it was not a big deal. Think the whole thing is overblown and an example of mass hysteria like the Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquisition or the South Sea Bubble. By the way I’m not on Facebook and I don’t know anyone under 40 who is.

pearcider · 13-03-2021 11:13am

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Which is fine as long as that fit young person adheres to government rules until all of those more at risk have been vaccinated. If they don't, they're just another piece of selfish faeces.

I’m not obeying rules that are clearly arbitrary and made up as they go along. Most people are ignoring the rules at this stage because it’s clearly a farce. Our elected representatives and our health service is a bad joke and we’ve known this a long time. Unintelligent people who are led by the hysterical media. HSE had been badly managed for decades and don’t trust their competence in this or anything else.

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2021 11:15am

pearcider wrote: »

I’m not obeying rules that are clearly arbitrary and made up as they go along. Most people are ignoring the rules at this stage because it’s clearly a farce. Our elected representatives and our health service is a bad joke and we’ve known this a long time. Unintelligent people who are led by the hysterical media. HSE had been badly managed for decades and don’t trust their competence in this or anything else.

Grand. Carry on.

Timberrrrrrrr · 13-03-2021 11:16am

pearcider wrote: »

I’m not obeying rules that are clearly arbitrary and made up as they go along. Most people are ignoring the rules at this stage because it’s clearly a farce. Our elected representatives and our health service is a bad joke and we’ve known this a long time. Unintelligent people who are led by the hysterical media. HSE had been badly managed for decades and don’t trust their competence in this or anything else.

Jaysus, that has to be an antivax full house right there.

harrylittle · 13-03-2021 11:24am

King Mob wrote: »

Lol Nonsense. They are vaccines.
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Can you back up your statement
what is the proof to verify your statement
what is the source of that proof
does the source of that proof come from an independent organisation not subject to big pharma

aido79 · 13-03-2021 11:28am

pearcider wrote: »

It’s hardly a copy and paste it’s two sentences. Not taking a novel treatment when we don’t have long ranging clinical trial data. Not taking something that had to get emergency use authorisation from the FDA. Not particularly worried about COVID-19 as I know people who’ve had it and it was not a big deal. Think the whole thing is overblown and an example of mass hysteria like the Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquisition or the South Sea Bubble. By the way I’m not on Facebook and I don’t know anyone under 40 who is.

Do you even understand what emergency use authorisation means? This might help
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained

So the whole thing is a conspiracy?

Would you like to discuss the topic of the thread yet?

King Mob · 13-03-2021 12:16pm

pearcider wrote: »

Ah this old chestnut. Not qualified so not allowed an opinion. I fear for our society with yes men like you deriding and belittling the opinion of others. You’re just like king mob. Disrespectful, arrogant and nasty posters who are enemies to critical thinking.

Lol I'm sorry you find asking simple questions and requests for evidence so objectionable.

pearcider wrote: »

How dare anyone express an unapproved opinion. People like you will lead us back into totalitarianism and should be stopped and confronted at all costs.

But it's not about "unapproved" opinion. It's about unsupported, ill informed opinions.

pearcider wrote: »

I won’t take the vaccine because the benefits outweighs the risks (which are huge for a therapy that has been rushed out under emergency use authorisation) for someone my age.

What risks are you referring specifically?

King Mob · 13-03-2021 12:24pm

harrylittle wrote: »

Can you back up your statement
what is the proof to verify your statement
what is the source of that proof
does the source of that proof come from an independent organisation not subject to big pharma

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744276/

Since then, companies and research institutions have raced to develop SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, ranging from conventional viral and protein-based vaccines to those that are more cutting edge, including DNA- and mRNA-based vaccines

If you believe that this paper is unduly influenced by "Big Pharma" provide evidence for this.
If you've no evidence for that, then you can't claim it's true because of vague insinuations.

If you believe that the mRNA vaccine is not a vaccine, please show that it is not a vaccine or perhaps show some other source that refers to it as something other than a vaccine.

Also, could you maybe go back and address some of the other points eariler in the thread you've ignored and run away from.
But odd and a bit hypocritical for you to randomly butt back into the thread to demand proof of something so random and petty after running away like you did.

Dohnjoe · 13-03-2021 12:56pm

pearcider wrote: »

They are not vaccines. Before covid 19 not one single mRNA “vaccine” or therapy was ever approved for use in humans. Not a single one in history. So calling them a vaccine like the ones we give to infants is pure marketing baloney to make them more acceptable to the public. Let that sink in.

vaccinate
/ˈvaksɪneɪt/
Learn to pronounce
verb
treat with a vaccine to produce immunity against a disease; inoculate.
"all the children were vaccinated against tuberculosis"

vaccine
/ˈvaksiːn,ˈvaksɪn/
noun
a substance used to stimulate the production of antibodies and provide immunity against one or several diseases, prepared from the causative agent of a disease, its products, or a synthetic substitute, treated to act as an antigen without inducing the disease.
"there is no vaccine against the virus"

They are vaccines.

Dohnjoe · 13-03-2021 1:01pm

harrylittle wrote: »

Can you back up your statement
what is the proof to verify your statement
what is the source of that proof
does the source of that proof come from an independent organisation not subject to big pharma

As I recall you believe in "Mark of the Beast" biblical prophecies, Satan and that Covid is part of some "plan" involving that stuff, so you asking people for evidence of something is a bit rich to say the least, not to mention bizarre.

"I believe in magic and prophecies, but demand substantiated evidence of medical science"

PintOfView · 13-03-2021 4:53pm

pearcider wrote: »

Not particularly worried about COVID-19 as I know people who’ve had it and it was not a big deal. Think the whole thing is overblown and an example of mass hysteria like the Salem Witch Trials, Spanish Inquisition or the South Sea Bubble.

So how many people do you think have died of Covid in Ireland?
How many do you think would have died if we hadn't locked down?

Do you care about other people in the community, or just yourself?

Dohnjoe · 13-03-2021 6:20pm

PintOfView wrote: »

So how many people do you think have died of Covid in Ireland?
How many do you think would have died if we hadn't locked down?

Do you care about other people in the community, or just yourself?

I'm guessing either a) estimates will be attacked in order to cast doubt on them or b) the "so what, people die, it doesn't matter, it's just a little flu" card will be played

All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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