When will it all end?

12-03-2021 10:05PM

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/is-ireland-facing-another-covid-19-wave-or-is-a-blip-being-used-to-put-the-frighteners-on-1.4508730?mode=amp

Interesting read!

Scotty # · 12-03-2021 10:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/is-ireland-facing-another-covid-19-wave-or-is-a-blip-being-used-to-put-the-frighteners-on-1.4508730?mode=amp

Interesting read!

They don't mention the schools. Surely there's a correlation between the schools reopening and two weeks later the numbers start to turn the wrong way?

12-03-2021 10:28PM

Scotty # wrote: »

They don't mention the schools. Surely there's a correlation between the schools reopening and two weeks later the numbers start to turn the wrong way?

Well, it’s the most likely scenario. The most sensible thing would’ve been to cancel this year and have all students repeat come September. But how and ever, the kids have suffered enough as is imo.

ingo1984 · 12-03-2021 11:48PM

Scotty # wrote: »

They don't mention the schools. Surely there's a correlation between the schools reopening and two weeks later the numbers start to turn the wrong way?

No, because it goes against their narrative that the schools are safe and don't contribute to the spread. They'll blame the traveller funeral or say increased numbers going to work. Some bull again.

Housefree · 13-03-2021 12:33AM

Going backwards in Italy & Germany as well
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/12/germany-declares-a-covid-third-wave-has-begun-italy-set-for-easter-lockdown.html

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 09:14AM

Housefree wrote: »

Going backwards in Italy & Germany as well
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/12/germany-declares-a-covid-third-wave-has-begun-italy-set-for-easter-lockdown.html

Sad to see but it’s a seasonal virus and we’re still in it’s season. As much as lots of people get cross with the government’s conservative approach, it looks like the right thing to do, for now anyway.

drunkmonkey · 13-03-2021 09:38AM

Conservative approach? They've sucked the good out of everything, destroyed communities, subjected people to horrifying last days on earth cut off from all family and faces, wrecked business beyond repair, made half a million people unemployed, mentally abused the nation with non stop propaganda and that's only the tip of the iceberg, that's not conservatism that's Tyranny.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 09:42AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Conservative approach? They've sucked the good out of everything, destroyed communities, subjected people to horrifying last days on earth cut off from all family and faces, wrecked business beyond repair, made half a million people unemployed, mentally abused the nation with non stop propaganda and that's only the tip of the iceberg, that's not conservatism that's Tyranny.

Sure. Tyranny, despotism, autocracy, 1984 and so on.

Germany and Italy are going back to using lockdowns so i supppse the same changes apply to them too.

Do you think the Irish government was always tyrannical or they just became tyrannical in 2020?

drunkmonkey · 13-03-2021 09:46AM

You think abusing healthy people is ok, that's fine your entitled to your opinion.

13-03-2021 09:47AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Sure. Tyranny, despotism, autocracy, 1984 and so on.

Germany and Italy are going back to using lockdowns so i supppse the same changes apply to them too.

Do you think the Irish government was always tyrannical or they just became tyrannical in 2020?

Yes. Going back.

Ireland hasn't been out of lockdown since the beginning of last Autumn, apart from 3 weeks. There is no end in sight either. There is no an air of positivity from our Government, NPHET or the Irish media.

The levels of fatigue, apathy, despondency and depression here are palpable at this stage.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 09:54AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You think abusing healthy people is ok, that's fine your entitled to your opinion.

If someone said they think that, the you should quote where they posted it....

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 09:58AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes. Going back.

Ireland hasn't been out of lockdown since the beginning of last Autumn, apart from 3 weeks. There is no end in sight either. There is no an air of positivity from our Government, NPHET or the Irish media.

The levels of fatigue, apathy, despondency and depression here are palpable at this stage.

That’s true. We weren’t out of it excepting when we were. And that led to us going back into it.

There is an end in sight. A quick look at the news would show that the end is certainly within sight. It might not be as close as we want though.

I’ll point out that people give out about “doom and gloom” merchants and your post is the epitome of that. Completely ignoring the progress to claim there is no end in sight.

Anyway, I was responding to an OTT post about the “tyranny” were experiencing, totally ignoring the global pandemic context.

SnuggyBear · 13-03-2021 09:59AM

Who cares what other countries are doing? Popele pick and choose whichever one they want to prove a point. We are in Ireland.

The facts are it's a small island, low population density, young population and its a wealthy country. Somehow we have been locked down for basically a year. We can't even leave the house unless it's essential. Bull**** now at this stage.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 10:04AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Who cares what other countries are doing? Popele pick and choose whichever one they want to prove a point. We are in Ireland.

The facts are it's a small island, low population density, young population and its wealthy country. Somehow we have been locked down for basically a year. We can't even leave the house unless it's essential. Bull**** now at this stage.

If the virus was unique to Ireland then there wouldn’t be much need to look to other countries for information. Given that it’s a global pandemic, international comparison is useful and that’s why we care what other countries are doing.

But you could have answers that question on your own. It shows the frustration is causing people to think irrationally.

drunkmonkey · 13-03-2021 10:11AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Anyway, I was responding to an OTT post about the “tyranny” were experiencing, totally ignoring the global pandemic context.

In what way is our Governments response any way ok, they've been told repeatedly to not have restrictions on healthy people yet they continue to abuse us at every turn, you might think that's OTT, it's not, this has gone on too long and these clowns should be tarred and feathered at the very least.

It's year 2 of the hostage situation and your acting like this is fine, just hang on another few weeks, light at the end of the tunnel, jabs are coming, freedom soon just not the freedom you used to know.

Morries Wigs · 13-03-2021 10:13AM

no supply no end of lockdown

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 10:16AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In what way is our Governments response any way ok, they've been told repeatedly to not have restrictions on healthy people yet they continue to abuse us at every turn, you might think that's OTT, it's not, this has gone on too long and these clowns should be tarred and feathered at the very least.

It's year 2 of the hostage situation and your acting like this is fine, just hang on another few weeks, light at the end of the tunnel, jabs are coming, freedom soon just not the freedom you used to know.

Who repeatedly told government to not have restrictions on healthy people?

Abuse, hostage situation.... yes. I think you’re being OTT, to put it kindly.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 10:20AM

Morries Wigs wrote: »

no supply no end of lockdown

Lockdown will end in the next few weeks. If you mean restriction, then it’s less clear when they will end. We might get out of restrictions before winter and might not need them again next winter, but we might not get out of restrictions this summer or might need to reimpose restrictions next winter. Impossible to say at this stage.

Vaccine supply has been very disappointing. The suppliers keep lowering their estimated supply. AZ said they will now provide a third of their contracted vaccines at the end of March. We could have had 3 times as many AZ vaccines if they had been able to stick to the contract. That would look a lot better.

drunkmonkey · 13-03-2021 10:23AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Who repeatedly told government to not have restrictions on healthy people?

Abuse, hostage situation.... yes. I think you’re being OTT, to put it kindly.

Yes the WHO

It is abuse and we are being held hostage, you have empty with Government, I want to see them brought to justice for what they've done. They failed to protect the most as risk in fact their actions killed many people. We won't blame anyone though it's a global pandemic incompetence and tyranny are excusable.

RGS · 13-03-2021 10:33AM

The end is not in sight.
There will be no easing of restrictions in April. They laid the groundwork for that yesterday.
Vaccine supplies are not hitting targets but are actually dropping.
There is no guarantee we will get the vaccines we ordered on the agreed delivery dates.
Our ministers and NPHET cant resist a microphone and just waffle like they are sitting with their family at the kitchen table, unaware their words and actions have consequences for the nation.

There is no positivity from NPHET or government. It's the same old stick just blame the public.

SnuggyBear · 13-03-2021 10:38AM

RGS wrote: »

The end is not in sight.
There will be no easing of restrictions in April. They laid the groundwork for that yesterday.
Vaccine supplies are not hitting targets but are actually dropping.
There is no guarantee we will get the vaccines we ordered on the agreed delivery dates.
Our ministers and NPHET cant resist a microphone and just waffle like they are sitting with their family at the kitchen table, unaware their words and actions have consequences for the nation.

There is no positivity from NPHET or government. It's the same old stick just blame the public.

Agreed, it's very grim looking at the minute. This time next year might be looking a bit better.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 10:41AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Yes the WHO

It is abuse and we are being held hostage, you have empty with Government, I want to see them brought to justice for what they've done. They failed to protect the most as risk in fact their actions killed many people. We won't blame anyone though it's a global pandemic incompetence and tyranny are excusable.

So just to clarify, your position is that the restrictions wen too far and they also didn’t go far enough to protect the most vulnerable.

The abusive hostage situation should have gone further in some areas... OTT, and confused.

13-03-2021 10:47AM

RGS wrote: »

The end is not in sight.
There will be no easing of restrictions in April. They laid the groundwork for that yesterday.
Vaccine supplies are not hitting targets but are actually dropping.
There is no guarantee we will get the vaccines we ordered on the agreed delivery dates.
Our ministers and NPHET cant resist a microphone and just waffle like they are sitting with their family at the kitchen table, unaware their words and actions have consequences for the nation.

There is no positivity from NPHET or government. It's the same old stick just blame the public.

Was wondering same. Unbelievable if nothing gets eased in April, the tone changed yesterday alright. It’s a roller coaster living here now.

seansouth36 · 13-03-2021 10:48AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Conservative approach? They've sucked the good out of everything, destroyed communities, subjected people to horrifying last days on earth cut off from all family and faces, wrecked business beyond repair, made half a million people unemployed, mentally abused the nation with non stop propaganda and that's only the tip of the iceberg, that's not conservatism that's Tyranny.

Again you sound like a teenage girl calling her parents 'tyrants' because they won't let her go the teenage disco. I've been to countries that are tyrannical; the population is afraid of the midnight knock on the door; relatives being 'disappeared', people being murdered in custody. The fact that I can get past the 5km rule by putting a bag of groceries in the back seat of the car, does not suggest 'tyranny', rather a government struggling to deal with a pandemic. Your hysterical nonsense suggest someone who has led a very sheltered existence, and can't face reality.

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 10:53AM

RGS wrote: »

The end is not in sight.
There will be no easing of restrictions in April. They laid the groundwork for that yesterday.
Vaccine supplies are not hitting targets but are actually dropping.
There is no guarantee we will get the vaccines we ordered on the agreed delivery dates.
Our ministers and NPHET cant resist a microphone and just waffle like they are sitting with their family at the kitchen table, unaware their words and actions have consequences for the nation.

There is no positivity from NPHET or government. It's the same old stick just blame the public.

It’s interesting. This is a doom and gloom post - You claim there isn’t even an end in sight. But none of the usuals posters will call your post doom and gloom because you’re criticising the current approach.

If you had said there is no end in sight and weren’t critical of the current approach, then you’d be doom and gloom. I find that interesting.

Whether you like it or not, the vaccine is being rolled out. The big problem is supply. Everyone in the world wants 2 doses and they want them yesterday. We’re in the top 10% in the world in vaccination rate, but some people will tell you we’re terribly behind.

It’s not certain when we’ll reopen or how completely we’ll reopen this summer. but we’ll begin reopening during the summer. The seasonal effect is probably the biggest effect at the moment. That’s probably why some other countries are reimposing lockdowns

Hellrazer · 13-03-2021 10:56AM

RGS wrote: »

Our ministers and NPHET cant resist a microphone and just waffle like they are sitting with their family at the kitchen table, unaware their words and actions have consequences for the nation.

There is no positivity from NPHET or government. It's the same old stick just blame the public.

And the worst part of this is that when the vaccine supply ramps up they WILL take all the credit for it. They`ll be patting themselves on the back and giving themselves wage increases more wage increases!!!

13-03-2021 10:57AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That’s true. We weren’t out of it excepting when we were. And that led to us going back into it.

There is an end in sight. A quick look at the news would show that the end is certainly within sight. It might not be as close as we want though.

I’ll point out that people give out about “doom and gloom” merchants and your post is the epitome of that.

.

There is doom and gloom because there is no messaging at all from Government about HOW we will get out of this. No positivity. Have a read of the UK's roadmap (below) to ease restrictions..... note the positivity, the clarity, the actual plan, its clear and concise, no faffing or blustering.

We have no plan and the restrictions make no sense, we don't have a nuanced approach to these restrictions (some counties have no rise in cases and no deaths yet they are in lockdown within 5km). So you have widespread frustration and increasing anger.

2500 construction have already gone to the UK for work, and I imagine they will be followed by thousands of workers and younger people later this Summer. Any single person under the age of 35 I have spoken to is going to leave Ireland as soon as flight restrictions end.

The Government are meant to lead but they are proving themselves inept and unable to make decisions of any kind.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-sets-out-roadmap-to-cautiously-ease-lockdown-restrictions

El_Duderino 09 · 13-03-2021 11:03AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There is doom and gloom because there is no messaging at all from Government about HOW we will get out of this. No positivity. Have a read of the UK's roadmap (below) to ease restrictions..... note the positivity, the clarity, the actual plan, its clear and concise, no faffing or blustering.

We have no plan and the restrictions make no sense, we don't have a nuanced approach to these restrictions (some counties have no rise in cases and no deaths yet they are in lockdown within 5km). So you have widespread frustration and increasing anger.

2500 construction have already gone to the UK for work, and I imagine they will be followed by thousands of workers and younger people later this Summer. Any single person under the age of 35 I have spoken to is going to leave Ireland as soon as flight restrictions end.

The Government are meant to lead but they are proving themselves inept and unable to make decisions of any kind.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/prime-minister-sets-out-roadmap-to-cautiously-ease-lockdown-restrictions

The uk is leading the world in vaccination. They are in a better position to make predictions. We’re struggling with vaccine supply so can’t make similar predictions.

You might be happier if the government spaffed off a set of words and said we’d reopen fully on any old date, 10 July for example. Then they could just change it when we get close to the date. But I don’t think It would actually make you happier.

Maybe it would make you happy if you can’t deal with the reality that things are uncertain at the moment.

Lundstram · 13-03-2021 11:09AM

Keep hearing about this "seasonal effect". Strange because last summer Ireland was the most restricted country in Europe last summer, and we continue to be.

They shut down Kildare for a whole month, Laois and Offaly weren't far behind but now have some counties with very low numbers but opening them up a little will not be entertained? Why?

Another easy ride for MM on RTE yesterday, the presenter way out of her depth. Nice cosy little chat. Waste of time.

Remember the Irish laughing at the whole Brexit process? Silly Brits wanting out of the EU. I was one of them. Who's laughing now.

13-03-2021 11:12AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The uk is leading the world in vaccination. They are in a better position to make predictions. We’re struggling with vaccine supply so can’t make similar predictions.

You might be happier if the government spaffed off a set of words and said we’d reopen fully on any old date, 10 July for example. Then they could just change it when we get close to the date. But I don’t think It would actually make you happier.

Maybe it would make you happy if you can’t deal with the reality that things are uncertain at the moment.

The Government plan should be based on hospital numbers (ICU, admissions and deaths)......... not on cases. This would be very easy to articulate i.e. "when we get to below 400 cases in hospital or 50 in ICU" we can allow people play golf and go hiking, get a haircut. Its giving people something clear, something definitive. That's what people are crying out for!

You come across as very combative in all your posting, constantly defensive. I did not address you personally in any of my posts yet in both your replies you have made it about me? ("if you can't deal with the reality").

This is not about me. This is about the country I live in, this is about people I see suffering all around me. This is about the despair of small business owners, of people who are afraid to seek help if they are on the edge, of cancelled hospital appointments for children with chronic illnesses who are getting worse, of people who cannot pay their car loan and mortgage on €350 a week. NONE of those people are me, but I am worried about them and the Government should be too.
There are more ways to die than Covid!

When will it all end?

Comments