When will it all end?

Dickie10

i would imagine we wont see much actually opening now til late july , i think they will target august as the time for staycations. it looks like september before we have most adults vaccinated. i think may and june will be at least level 4 now with these delays. you would imagine hospitality will have to open in august for staycations so thats my guess at pubs/hotels opening. i would imagine they will open hotels and pubs altogehter as the food thing rule is now gone according to leo

El_Duderino 09

ypres5 wrote: »

Pedants care jac

Talking about herd immunity is pedantic now? Or using numbers to back up a point is pedantic? Either way, it's a weak point.

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yesterday you were able to accept that there is uncertainty around whether there will be need for restrictions next winter, and now you agree that it's "game, set and match". What changed between yesterday and today? The facts certainly haven't changed.

Nothings changed, everyone knows uncertainty is a fact of life. I still think by end of year restrictions will be little or none. That’s my opinion and sticking to it.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

Nothings changed, everyone knows uncertainty is a fact of life. I still think by end of year restrictions will be little or none. That’s my opinion and sticking to it.

That's your opinion and you're sticking to it.

I, on the other hand, will change my opinion as the facts change. I find it's a better approach

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's your opinion and you're sticking to it.

I, on the other hand, will change my opinion as the facts change. I find it's a better approach

We all change our opinions if the facts change. My opinion today is based on current info and data.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

We all change our opinions if the facts change. My opinion today is based on current info and data.

Yeah. Sure it is.

Yesterday you though there was uncertainty, today you agree it's "game set and match", "end of". Unless some facts changed between yesterday and today, then you're making it up on the hoof.

I'll just deal with reality on reality's terms. The experts are telling us there is uncertainty around whether we'll need restrictions, the people making the decisions are telling us there is uncertainty around whether we'll need restrictions or not. and you think it's "game set and match", "end of". I think i have to side with the experts on this one.

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah. Sure it is.

Yesterday you though there was uncertainty, today you agree it's "game set and match". Unless some facts changed between yesterday and today, then you're making it up on the hoof.

Oh will you give over FFS. Firstly i never said “ game set and match” i never said or posted those words.

I’m sorry if you think we’ll be all restricted by the end of the year but you’re living in fantasy land. This can’t and won’t last, we’ll adapt.

To qoute Philip Nolan:

“” Prof Nolan said Ireland has had 52 weeks of living with the virus, but said with continued efforts, in 10 weeks' time Ireland will be in quite a different scenario and again 10 weeks after that. 


"In the grand scheme of things, it is a matter of weeks before we can do more things because of the progression of the vaccination [roll-out]," he said.“”

Restrictions will start to disappear during the course of this year. March 2021 vs December 2021 will be a totally different world.

Regarding your experts and uncertainty, it’s not a confirmation, it’s not definite they are not sure either ( despite being ‘experts’). My opinion is based on current data. If it holds true restrictions will be very unlikey going forward.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

Oh will you give over FFS. Firstly i never said “ game set and match” i never said or posted those words.

I’m sorry if you think we’ll be all restricted by the end of the year but you’re living in fantasy land. This can’t and won’t last, we’ll adapt.

To qoute Philip Nolan:

“” Prof Nolan said Ireland has had 52 weeks of living with the virus, but said with continued efforts, in 10 weeks' time Ireland will be in quite a different scenario and again 10 weeks after that. 


"In the grand scheme of things, it is a matter of weeks before we can do more things because of the progression of the vaccination [roll-out]," he said.“”

Restrictions will start to disappear during the course of this year. March 2021 vs December 2021 will be a totally different world.

The first 2 lines of your post have errors that suggest you haven't read the posts at all. I said you agreed it's game set and match, which you did a few posts ago. I also haven't said i think we will be in restrictions in winter. I'm pretty sure I've been careful to say that there is uncertainly around whether we will need restrictions in winter or not. Have you been taking that to mean I think we will have restrictions next winter?

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Have you been taking that to mean I think we will have restrictions next winter?

Once again, In my opinion unlikely. The end is nigh

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The first 2 lines of your post have errors that suggest you haven't read the posts at all.

If that’s true it’s probably because the same repeating waffle bores me.

mcsean2163

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Cant. I am going to a protest at St Green at 2 O clock on a Saturday.

One of those where you want to do something and then you cant, I have freedoms to protest for.

You haven't explained to me at all why you stated you were going to the protest but went to Italy instead. I must assume you are some sort of cowardly demagogue, spinning lies and goading vulnerable people into violent actions.

It's reprehensible behaviour IMHO

mcsean2163

El duderino and the Micky. Maybe you two need to get a room?

Micky 32

mcsean2163 wrote: »

El duderino and the Micky. Maybe you two need to get a room?

Thanks for the suggestion, but no thanks :pac:

Kermit.de.frog

Why not?

You're upsetting El Duderino right now. #justsayin

Kunta Kinte

mcsean2163 wrote: »

You haven't explained to me at all why you stated you were going to the protest but went to Italy instead. I must assume you are some sort of cowardly demagogue, spinning lies and goading vulnerable people into violent actions.

It's reprehensible behaviour IMHO

Nail on the head.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

Once again, In my opinion unlikely. The end is nigh




If that’s true it’s probably because the same repeating waffle bores me.

I've said each time that there is uncertainty around whether we will need restrictions next winter.
Have you been taking that to mean I think we will have restrictions next winter?

How have you managed to read it so many times to the point of being bored by it, but never actually understood it any of the times?

Micky 32

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Why not?

You're upsetting El Duderino right now. #justsayin

Why, because i disagree with him/her? Lol

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I've said each time that there is uncertainty around whether we will need restrictions next winter.
Have you been taking that to mean I think we will have restrictions next winter?

How have you managed to read it so many times to the point of being bored by it, but never actually understood it any of the times?

No, i got bored with the constant posts of the same drum. I get it, you think we’ll have restrictions next winter, i’m of the opinion we won’t. You go with what you think and i’ll go with what i think. Quite simple. If you accept that instead of trying to undermine and berate my opinion with a huge waffling post then i won’t reply and i’ll leave it at that.

Do you accept we both have a difference of opinion?

If you accept the obvious i’ll unfollow the thread and leave you at it. The thread is getting rediculous anyway.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

No, i got bored with the constant posts of the same drum. I get it, you think we’ll have restrictions next winter, i’m of the opinion we won’t. You go with what you think and i’ll go with what i think. Quite simple. If you accept that instead of trying to undermine and berate my opinion with a huge waffling post then i won’t reply and i’ll leave it at that.

Do you accept we both have a difference of opinion?

The bit in bold. You say I think there will be restrictions next winter. You've honestly gotten that from what I've said? Honestly or are you just pretending?

I've said every time that there is uncertainty around whether there will be restrictions in winter and you've said you think that means I'm saying there will be restrictions next winter. Lads this is the problem with these discussions in a nutshell. Is it a failing of basic comprehension or a desire to misunderstand?

newuser99999

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The bit in bold. You say I think there will be restrictions next winter. You've honestly gotten that from what I've said? Honestly or are you just pretending?

I've said every time that there is uncertainty around whether there will be restrictions in winter and you've said you think that means I'm saying there will be restrictions next winter. Lads this is the problem with these discussions in a nutshell. Is it a failing of basic comprehension or a desire to misunderstand?

Can you just drop it already you’re like a dog with a bone

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The bit in bold. You say I think there will be restrictions next winter. You've honestly gotten that from what I've said? Honestly or are you just pretending?

I've said every time that there is uncertainty around whether there will be restrictions in winter and you've said you think that means I'm saying there will be restrictions next winter. Lads this is the problem with these discussions in a nutshell. Is it a failing of basic comprehension or a desire to misunderstand?

Once again…..yes i hear you. You think there’s uncertainty next winter. Maybe there is but in my opinion i think it’s unlikely given the current data.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

Once again…..yes i hear you. You think there’s uncertainty next winter. Maybe there is but in my opinion i think it’s unlikely.

Great.

Just and a matter of interest, do you see the difference between saying there is uncertainty and saying I think there will be restrictions? Genuinely curious to know if you get the difference between those two positions or if you think they mean basically the same thing.

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Great.

Just and a matter of interest, do you see the difference between saying there is uncertainty and saying I think there will be restrictions? Genuinely curious to know if you get the difference between those two positions or if you think they mean basically the same thing.

The fact that you keep replying to me with the same drum beating everytime i express my opinion that i don’t think there will be restrictions next winter i think it’s the latter you are thinking. I’m quite aware of the difference.

My question to you is do you think we’ll have restrictions next winter yes or no? If you can’t answer no , we have a difference of opinion. Like i said you think what you want and i’ll think what i want but you’re wasting your time with repeatable huge posts why you don’t like my opinion.

The end is coming.

El_Duderino 09

"An AstraZeneca document dated 10 March, seen by Reuters and shared with EU officials, shows that the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker expects to have delivered 30 million doses to the EU by the end of March - 10 million less than it pledged only last month, and only a third of its contractual obligation."

AZ cutting vaccine delivery projection again. Citing trouble with ingredients to make the vaccine. That mean's they'll only provide a third of the supply agreed for the end of March. Bit disappointing.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0312/1203515-coronavirus-global/

The stuff about blood clots is interesting but shouldn't put anyone off getting the vaccine. The problem is that people aren't very good at calculating risks particularly when it comes to big numbers. 41 cases in 5m doses is a tiny risk but it will cause some to fear getting the vaccine

"The update is based on a review of 41 reports of possible anaphylaxis seen among around five million vaccinations in the United Kingdom," it said in the highlights of the EMA committee that assesses the risk of medications.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

The fact that you keep replying to me with the same drum beating everytime i express my opinion that i don’t think there will be restrictions next winter i think it’s the latter you are thinking. I’m quite aware of the difference.

My question to you is do you think we’ll have restrictions next winter yes or no? If you can’t answer no , we have a difference of opinion. Like i said you think what you want and i’ll think what i want but you’re wasting your time with repeatable huge posts why you don’t like my opinion.

The end is coming.

Ok. You didn't address the question I asked in that last post, But I'll answer your question.

The answer to your question is that I think there is uncertainty around whether we will need restrictions in winter. I think the important questions remain unanswered and it's too early to reach a conclusion based on the evidence we have. Everything isn't black or white, yes or no. Sometimes the answer is that we don't have good enough evidence to form a strong opinion. If you have a strong opinion one way or the other about whether or not there will be restrictions next winter, then you're extrapolating too much from the evidence we have.

Would you have a stab at the question in the last post? It's not very important, I'm just curious to know if you get the distinction.

Micky 32

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. You didn't address the question I asked in that last post, But I'll answer your question.

The answer to your question is that I think there is uncertainty around whether we will need restrictions in winter. I think the important questions remain unanswered and it's too early to reach a conclusion based on the evidence we have. Everything isn't black or white, yes or no. Sometimes the answer is that we don't have good enough evidence to form a strong opinion. If you have a strong opinion one way or the other about whether or not there will be restrictions next winter, then you're extrapolating too much from the evidence we have.

Would you have a stab at the question in the last post? It's not very important, I'm just curious to know if you get the distinction.

I did answer the question, i do know the difference but it’s obvious that you are thinking we’ll have restrictions next winter. That’s fine.. but in my opinion i don’t think we will. I’m sticking to that.

El_Duderino 09

Micky 32 wrote: »

I did answer the question, i do know the difference but it’s obvious that you are thinking we’ll have restrictions next winter. That’s fine.. but in my opinion i don’t think we will. I’m sticking to that.

It really isn't obvious from what I have said. I can only tell you what I think, if you want to extrapolate that to mean other things then that's your prerogative, I suppose.

Ginger n Lemon

mcsean2163 wrote: »

You haven't explained to me at all why you stated you were going to the protest but went to Italy instead. I must assume you are some sort of cowardly demagogue, spinning lies and goading vulnerable people into violent actions.

It's reprehensible behaviour IMHO

It was Spain.

Both options were good dont get me wrong, I heard a big gathering came about (they all mustve been reading my posts here according to your logic. I am some sort of NPHET equivalent of all the protesters am I? : P). I just thought what other day will there be cheap flights and little to no Gardai at the airport as they are all congregating at St Green? Stars aligned and I got lucky.

I thought - will that be the last protest this year? Thats like asking will Micky and Duderino ever agree?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-fear-anti-lockdown-protests-were-dry-run-for-st-patricks-day-chaos-40142287.html



PS demagogue. fkin hell :pac: be nice will you

Ginger n Lemon

“We are sailing very close to the wind,” said Nphet’s modelling expert Prof Philip Nolan. “A gust of wind in the wrong direction and we’re in real trouble.”

Blunt instrument
Could this be the reason for relying on the blunt instrument of lockdown for so long? Currently, 10 counties appear to have effectively suppressed the virus, with average daily case numbers in single figures, yet they are treated the same as other parts of the country with big outbreaks.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/is-ireland-facing-another-covid-19-wave-or-is-a-blip-being-used-to-put-the-frighteners-on-1.4508730

Phil is the real demagogue. And a poet if I may say so :pac:

Multipass

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

"An AstraZeneca document dated 10 March, seen by Reuters and shared with EU officials, shows that the Anglo-Swedish drugmaker expects to have delivered 30 million doses to the EU by the end of March - 10 million less than it pledged only last month, and only a third of its contractual obligation."

AZ cutting vaccine delivery projection again. Citing trouble with ingredients to make the vaccine. That mean's they'll only provide a third of the supply agreed for the end of March. Bit disappointing.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0312/1203515-coronavirus-global/

The stuff about blood clots is interesting but shouldn't put anyone off getting the vaccine. The problem is that people aren't very good at calculating risks particularly when it comes to big numbers. 41 cases in 5m doses is a tiny risk but it will cause some to fear getting the vaccine

"The update is based on a review of 41 reports of possible anaphylaxis seen among around five million vaccinations in the United Kingdom," it said in the highlights of the EMA committee that assesses the risk of medications.

The statement in bold should be the anthem of Covid for the under 60s!

El_Duderino 09

Multipass wrote: »

The statement in bold should be the anthem of Covid for the under 60s!

Should it? What should we have done differently? Given that the under 60 can get the virus and pass it on to other people, I don't think we can really do much differently than we are doing. Were vaccinating the older people who are more at risk, then lifting restrictions and seeing how it pans out over the summer and into winter.