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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5132
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    rusty cole wrote: »
    To quote "the joker" if you're good at something, never do it for free!!! They have a commercial interest to protect..You'll never see what they call metoo versions of these vaccines and the EMA are worse than the FDA for calling the pharma industry to account. lets not forget, they all got the approvals on a conditional basis.. This Data has as much chance of being submitted as the negative/side effects have of being printed..Positive result data gets published 4 times easily. you want to be really depressed, read any number of good books on the subject..I dont remember his name but one higher up professor said that granting emergency approval is the same as deregulation..well to see all the Vacciness popping out of the woodwork now..you;d damn well think so..NOW with adeed tratar control!!! cleans gums and fights Herpes too :D:D
    https://www.euronews.com/2021/03/11/denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-19-vaccinations-as-a-precaution-after-blood-clot-report
    They should use AZ as a blood thickener.


  • #5133
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,235 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-variant-britain-idUSKBN2B213E

    UK variant has higher mortality as well as transmissiblity. Up to twice as high.

    The age range in the deaths being 0 - 85 today really f'd me up. I think I need an early night.


    Maybe this is why Phillip Nolan was glummer than usual?

    Funny heard nothing about that on BBC news either .


  • #5134
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    D.Q wrote: »
    This thread after around 11pm haha

    The 'shots' effect, lol. Time for bed, night night.


  • #5135
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,235 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    emo72 wrote: »
    12500 a day vaccinated on average? ****ing hell. What a disaster. **** me. **** me Donelly should just resign. Disgrace of a ****ing useless minister.

    You know they are working to supply, right ?

    Said today that they will be ramping up as supply comes in, more staff recruited and vaccination centres ready to double once they get the vaccinations , and will double again when second doses being given .


  • #5136
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,235 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    D.Q wrote: »
    Kermit?

    More like Paddy Green !


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  • #5137
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Could not disagree with this any more. This doesn't just apply to nphet briefings. It applies to anything. You need to check the primary sources. That the recount of the event you were given is a fair reflection of what actually occurred. You know, like the journalists should be doing with Nphets slides and figures rather than parroting. Parroting is being generous by the way most of their "summaries" are nothing but a terrible attempt to make a catchy headline that usually involves amplifying the negative aspects as much as possible as that's what gets the most consumption.

    Try it yourself someday pick a random topic. Spend the extra bit of time to observe the topic firsthand. Then read the accounts of it by others.

    I agree.

    Like you say, that applies to anything, but considering we are talking about the briefings, I find a lot of headlines or summaries of what they say misses a lot of nuance and context of the content of the briefings. Even how they say it, which is often important in and of itself.

    For instance, the story about the four stillbirthes last week was reported in somewhat alarmist terms, but in context, in the briefing, Glynn wasn't unduly alarmist and if anything tried to play it down - but most of that was lost in the headlines.

    And I find that a lot - how the journalists report what was said tends to be simplified and emotionally amped up - whereas the initial remarks in the briefing tend to be more measured, granular and filled with caveats than you would think from just reading about it.


  • #5138
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    You'd never think it, but today was a great day. J&J authorised and, better still, we know Pfizer stops 94%+ of symptomatic and asymptomatic transmission. The end is nigh (in a good way)...


  • #5139
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    You'd never think it, but today was a great day. J&J authorised and, better still, we know Pfizer stops 94%+ of symptomatic and asymptomatic transmission. The end is nigh (in a good way)...

    Schools!!!


  • #5140
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,235 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Arghus wrote: »
    I agree.

    Like you say, that applies to anything, but considering we are talking about the briefings, I find a lot of headlines or summaries of what they say misses a lot of nuance and context of the content of the briefings. Even how they say it, which is often important in and of itself.

    For instance, the story about the four stillbirthes last week was reported in somewhat alarmist terms, but in context, in the briefing, Glynn wasn't unduly alarmist and if anything tried to play it down - but most of that was lost in the headlines.

    And I find that a lot - how the journalists report what was said tends to be simplified and emotionally amped up - whereas the initial remarks in the briefing tend to be more measured, granular and filled with caveats than you would think from just reading about it.

    Yes.
    People's perspectives on this is being dictated by the papers and Twitter accounts they read, as well as the regular old news on TV.
    When you watch the briefings even only now and again, you hear how some journos have a particular agenda or differ in the way they ask questions or how they appear to understand what is being said .
    Makes you wonder if half of what is reported is accurate at all .
    The amount of times Ronan Glynn had to emphasise to that one last week that he was NOT saying something when she kept asking the same question over and obviously looking for a sensational headline .
    Even if I have to record it and never get time to watch it , I would rather it is going out than not and be dependant on some of the hacks reporting .


  • #5141
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    You'd never think it, but today was a great day. J&J authorised and, better still, we know Pfizer stops 94%+ of symptomatic and asymptomatic transmission.


    Very true and thanks for the reminder. I read it so early today that I'd genuinely forgotten. It's a game changer
    The end is nigh (in a good way)...

    Not as nigh in Ireland as some places unfortunately

    The speed of the vaccine roll-out is largely out of our hands, but I just have an over-riding feeling we'll be one of the last EU countries to resemble normality

    I hope I'm wrong


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  • #5142
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Very true and thanks for the reminder. I read it so early today that I'd genuinely forgotten. It's a game changer



    Not as nigh in Ireland in Ireland as some places unfortunately

    The speed of the vaccine roll-out is largely out of our hands, but I just have an over-riding feeling we'll be one of the last EU countries to resemble normality

    I hope I'm wrong

    Maybe. But unless variants mess things up, no reason to think 2022 will in any way resemble 2021 as others are suggesting. In fact by October we should be nearing some bit of normality certainly at, say, August 2020 levels of normality and getting better.


  • #5143
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Schools!!!

    ??


  • #5144
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Maybe. But unless variants mess things up, no reason to think 2022 will in any way resemble 2021 as others are suggesting. In fact by October we should be nearing some bit of normality certainly at, say, August 2020 levels of normality and getting better.


    Yes I firmly believe 2022 is what people think 2021 will look like

    There's too much to fix in one year

    That said, the "government" will use everything imaginable to scapegoat their own failings over the next 9 months*













    (*except the Schools. Sssssh, Nothing to see here)


  • #5145
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,364 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Yes I firmly believe 2022 is what people think 2021 will look like

    There's too much to fix in one year

    That said, the "government" will use everything imaginable to scapegoat their own failingsover the next 9 months*


    (*except the Schools. Sssssh, Nothing to see here)

    But we have to open the schools first. There is virtually no choice. Educating our youth isn't a negotiable save for when a severe lockdown is impossible to avoid like last January. Maybe the issue is that the Government aren't honest about school outbreaks. They should be and emphasise we just have to roll with them. I suspect the difficulty is that whilst nurses etc see themselves as front line workers, teachers don't. Hence they think they can't be open about things for fear of the teacher's unions.


  • #5146
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    emo72 wrote: »
    12500 a day vaccinated on average? ****ing hell. What a disaster. **** me. **** me Donelly should just resign. Disgrace of a ****ing useless minister.

    Unless "Donnelly" is in charge of operations or supply chain management at AstraZeneca I don't see who this fella is that's at fault here.

    We're administering vaccine as they come. Stephen Donnelly is not in charge of supply. That's a Brussels level **** up.


  • #5147
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    marno21 wrote: »
    Unless "Donnelly" is in charge of operations or supply chain management at AstraZeneca I don't see who this fella is that's at fault here.

    We're administering vaccine as they come. Stephen Donnelly is not in charge of supply. That's a Brussels level **** up.


    Donnelly's problem is a level of ignorant arrogance I've rarely seen in this country by anyone, let alone a politician

    That's the reason he's so disliked. And "disliked" is putting it mildly

    If he reigned his neck in a bit, less people would be laughing at him daily


  • #5148
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,167 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Donnelly's problem is a level of ignorant arrogance I've rarely seen in this country by anyone, let alone a politician

    That's the reason he's so disliked

    If he reigned his neck in a bit less people would be laughing at him daily

    I remember him bleating on about comparing a house extension to the childrens hospital before he was minister.

    Let me break it down so it's simple for your listeners he would say.

    As if us plebs didn't understand the whole concept.

    Very smug and pompous.


  • #5149
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    I don't think anyone has ever wanted to close schools, but the way the cases are concealed and outbreaks ignored is completely reckless.

    I can't believe all of primary and fifth years will be back on Monday.

    https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1160804/

    This man is a lying scrote. I honestly don't know how he sleeps at night, or lives with himself.

    So Germany say school has low transmission.

    Also Germany: hiding cases and outbreaks in October. I'm searching like mad trying to find the Spiegel article from then but coming up with diddly. Very weird, I hope it's just my bad search terms and not a cover up :rolleyes:


  • #5150
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,696 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Donnelly's problem is a level of ignorant arrogance I've rarely seen in this country by anyone, let alone a politician

    That's the reason he's so disliked. And "disliked" is putting it mildly

    If he reigned his neck in a bit less people would be laughing at him daily
    Be that as it may, my point is that sacking Donnelly will not solve the vaccination rollout issues.


  • #5151
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    marno21 wrote: »
    Be that as it may, my point is that sacking Donnelly will not solve the vaccination rollout issues.


    Of course not

    But we deserve someone to deliver messages with less arrogance and conceit than this "man"

    He's the Walter Mitty of politicians. He truly lives in a world of his own

    And there's enough shíte going on right now in this country without having such a horrible Minister of Health

    But will he be replaced? I really don't think so. Martin knows the kinda communication that it would send

    But I'd say he still has Donnelly as his "In Case Of Emergency Break Stephen" last resort scapegoat


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  • #5152
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Polar101


    mr zulu wrote: »
    Yes,3 businesses closed in one street where I live in the last couple of weeks,definitely more to come,it’s very hard to hear posters here preaching about hanging in there,when obviously they have a job and a income to rely on.

    Have to say the local shopping centre is a bit depressing, a lot of the shops are open, but many are not. I can imagine how tough it must be for small business owners and their employees.


  • #5153
    pheasant tail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭pheasant tail


    I’m just furious to read that about that shower in Leitrim and how their allowed to get away with that, and after all the blowing about what happened on Grafton street and the students in Limerick. It’s not like this was a surprise, guards have known about it for days.

    I searched through the whole RTÉ app there, not one mention of it. Will Clare Byrne spend an hour talking about it in the morning? Not a hope. The journal has 1 article, and of course, the comment section is closed. I lost count on how many articles they had about the students or Grafton street, of course no censorship of comments there, everyone free to get the dig in. And the cheek of Martin Collins last week asking for them to be moved up the vaccine priority list. No doubt he will head for ground for a couple of weeks now.

    What is gone wrong with this country, everyone terrified to say what needs to be said, and what everyone’s thinking. I feel discriminated against with rules for some and none for others but sure who cares about me, I’m not ‘ethnically’ unique


  • #5154
    lawrencesummers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,870 ✭✭✭lawrencesummers


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    there seems to be a different rule for the minorities in general, the people who attacked the Innocent people in a shopping centre in the wake of a criminal being shot and yet no charges Muslims allowed attend the Mosque in their hundreds while I can't go to mass.



    How many of those supposed victims in the shopping centers made complaints to the Gardai?

    None was it?.


  • #5155
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭prunudo


    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/good-summer-on-way-if-we-can-stick-with-restrictions-for-another-two-to-three-months-40187050.html


    Just another 2-3 months and then everything will be fine, forgive me if I don't hold my breath as I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.
    After 5 months of level 5 (bar 3 weeks before Christmas) do they really think really think people have the appetite or want to hold on for another 2-3 months.

    I notice also they're back to blaming the general public now because mobility data shows people are on the move again (using last April as a benchmark which had vastly different restrictions), colour me shocked that people have had enough and need to get back to earning a living.

    And then we have the double standards of the condemnation of the students or peaceful protesters vs the deafening silence about traveler funerals. Is it any wonder people are done listening to their bi-weekly lectures.


  • #5156
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    8 months of Lockdown. Just goes to show how little the government gives a sh1t about the general mental health of people


  • #5157
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Vicxas wrote: »
    8 months of Lockdown. Just goes to show how little the government gives a sh1t about the general mental health of people

    Successive governments have never really given a flying f**k about mental health. The underfunding of the sector has always been an issue . Covid is the only show in town.
    Btw mentioning mental health here seems to attract the ire of a select few posters be careful.


  • #5158
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    It's not unreasonable to assume it will be different this time given more and more vulnerable people are getting vaccinated. The evidence suggests vaccination helps sognificantly with severe illness and death.

    Theirs still much too of a percentage of people who are vulnerable to severe illness. B1.1.7 variant is more serious too. That can't really be disputed now.


  • #5159
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Theirs still much too of a percentage of people who are vulnerable to severe illness. B1.1.7 variant is more serious too. That can't really be disputed now.
    We need to see how that works out with hospitalisations.


  • #5160
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    prunudo wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/good-summer-on-way-if-we-can-stick-with-restrictions-for-another-two-to-three-months-40187050.html


    Just another 2-3 months and then everything will be fine, forgive me if I don't hold my breath as I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouths.
    After 5 months of level 5 (bar 3 weeks before Christmas) do they really think really think people have the appetite or want to hold on for another 2-3 months.

    I notice also they're back to blaming the general public now because mobility data shows people are on the move again (using last April as a benchmark which had vastly different restrictions), colour me shocked that people have had enough and need to get back to earning a living.

    And then we have the double standards of the condemnation of the students or peaceful protesters vs the deafening silence about traveler funerals. Is it any wonder people are done listening to their bi-weekly lectures.

    "To date, most cases of the virus detected in schools have been picked up outside"

    Very strange. How can you even determine that


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  • #5161
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    "To date, most cases of the virus detected in schools have been picked up outside"

    Very strange. How can you even determine that
    Contact tracing and finding the likely index patient. They have given some very detailed examples of clusters at times.


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