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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #5102
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I take it you mean Orthodox Jews or, more accurately, Ultra-Orthodox Jews.

    The Unorthodox ones are grand.

    :D Unortodox jews hehe didn't even notice it in the original post!


  • #5103
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If only we could trick the authorities into believing Travellers were really Students, watch the crackdown then.
    Bit of a bug bear of mine ( I have noted it a few times as I have a son who is a student, a responsible one I may add) how the students are targeted and our minority friends get a free pass. It seems none but a few recognise the acceptable level of discrimination in open view.

    It’s ironic really, the ones who will pay the most & be affected the longest, get the most vitriol in the media


  • #5104
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Qiaonasen wrote: »
    Would just like to point to Seamus who two weeks ago refused to believe the next wave was starting in Europe and Germany in particular. Germany has gone from 5000 cases per day to approximately 15000 per day in two weeks. Basically next week we will be back to November December levels and the lockdown hasn't even been lifted.
    Also noteworthy is that the surge started before schools opened two weeks ago. The R number went positive then. Since then, they have opened schools, hair dressers and nail salons and shops by appointment. So the question is how long until they have to introduce full lockdown and it will likely be more strict than the last one.
    I predict 100.000 cases per day and disaster and a serious humbling of the German health System by Summer due to pandemic fatique. Also with the amount of spread currently happening in Eastern Europe and Germany our vaccines will be in serious trouble by summer.
    The incessant, wildly optimistic predictions have to be a wind up or it's just staggeringly tragic denial.

    Germany were revealed as having intentionally covered up school outbreaks, so they're probably our role model. At this stage, even in spite of feeling like I'm a prisoner, I'm in the habit of just avoiding going out more and more as the numbers increase. It really is only a matter of time before vaccinations allow for things to be safely reopened. The risk will hopefully be decreased then. December or whatever. :(


  • #5105
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,283 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    One law for them, and another for the rest unfortunately. Plus ça change, government turning a blind eye as ever.

    A rare occasion when I agree with you Bertie. The kid gloves that have been used in relation to the travelling community throughout this is galling. What's fair is fair. If you're going to single out other groups in society for engaging in behaviour that's deemed unsafe in the current times, then there has to be consistency applied - criticism of certain other groups can't be notably absent either.


  • #5106
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Between what you've mentioned and the constant talk about being concerned last summer when we had hardly any cases, it's no wonder plenty of people have tuned out from the briefings.

    Like you said, people can read summaries or even get the gist of them from posts on here. I don't know why people feel the need to take a swipe at people for not watching them. For the most part, people are just asking questions.


    Yeah the problem is - apart from the odd optimistic message from Ronan - they've had the same depressing tone for most of the past 12 months

    Absolutely no one I know offline is watching them anymore

    And - as far even the Irish online community goes - tuning into them religiously seems to be solely a Boards thing

    Written summaries and Tweets from trusted sources that encapsulate them are more than enough


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  • #5107
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If only we could trick the authorities into believing Travellers were really Students, watch the crackdown then.
    Bit of a bug bear of mine ( I have noted it a few times as I have a son who is a student, a responsible one I may add) how the students are targeted and our minority friends get a free pass. It seems none but a few recognise the acceptable level of discrimination in open view.

    Yep, where was the heat seeking drone at the illegal traveller mass gathering , they didn't get the aggressive Limerick house party treatment


  • #5108
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    there seems to be a different rule for the minorities in general, the people who attacked the Innocent people in a shopping centre in the wake of a criminal being shot and yet no charges Muslims allowed attend the Mosque in their hundreds while I can't go to mass.


  • #5109
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/pandemic-to-be-prolonged-if-vaccine-knowledge-not-shared-says-report-1.4508025?mode=amp

    So here's what's impeding the vaccine rollout.

    The recipe is the intellectual property of the respective company.

    Not one of them has the backbone to make the formula of their version available to others.

    I'm depressed.


  • #5110
    bilston
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,023 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Europe's current surge may be down to the UK variant becoming dominant there surely?

    That's already happened here so it doesn't necessarily follow we will go the same way


  • #5111
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Like you said, people can read summaries or even get the gist of them from posts on here. I don't know why people feel the need to take a swipe at people for not watching them.

    Could not disagree with this any more. This doesn't just apply to nphet briefings. It applies to anything. You need to check the primary sources. That the recount of the event you were given is a fair reflection of what actually occurred. You know, like the journalists should be doing with Nphets slides and figures rather than parroting. Parroting is being generous by the way most of their "summaries" are nothing but a terrible attempt to make a catchy headline that usually involves amplifying the negative aspects as much as possible as that's what gets the most consumption.

    Try it yourself someday pick a random topic. Spend the extra bit of time to observe the topic firsthand. Then read the accounts of it by others.


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  • #5112
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/pandemic-to-be-prolonged-if-vaccine-knowledge-not-shared-says-report-1.4508025?mode=amp

    So here's what's impeding the vaccine rollout.

    The recipe is the intellectual property of the respective company.

    Not one of them has the backbone to make the formula of their version available to others.

    I'm depressed.

    Profit principle usurps the greater good. A disheartening parable as old as civilisation itself.

    "The report from the Oireachtas Foreign Affairs committee also stated that there are a number of pharmaceutical plants in Ireland capable of producing Covid-19 vaccines, if they were given the knowledge and instructions to do so."

    The wheels should have been in motion from day one of vaccine approval. Meanwhile lockdown stretches on interminably...


  • #5113
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    bilston wrote: »
    Europe's current surge may be down to the UK variant becoming dominant there surely?

    That's already happened here so it doesn't necessarily follow we will go the same way

    We always seem to be a month behind every wave


  • #5114
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-variant-britain-idUSKBN2B213E

    UK variant has higher mortality as well as transmissiblity. Up to twice as high.

    The age range in the deaths being 0 - 85 today really f'd me up. I think I need an early night.


  • #5115
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    Some of my family's second lockdown birthdays are coming up again now. Oh the novelty of takeaway restaurant dinners to celebrate long worn off now. Can't believe we're doin it all over again!


  • #5116
    Qiaonasen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Qiaonasen


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yet their daily deaths are steadily declining.

    As more and more people get vaccinated, the obsession with case numbers is going to have to go.
    The deaths will increase again. Vaccinations are still not done and won't be for months. Deaths lag behind cases. Deaths will still be decreasing because deaths were decreasing a few weeks ago. They will rise again. Hospitals will be again doing triage.

    All ahead of us in the summer.

    By the way case numbers are a good indicator of the coming number of hospitalization rates and deaths. I don't know why the obsession with them should stop. They are a very clear indicator of the current situation.


    Doctor Jimbob, I will remind you again in 6-8 weeks when deaths are increasing like I did with Seamus.:D


  • #5117
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gipi


    For those who were looking for the "disappearing" IT story on hospital infection (2000 since Jan), the info is included in their story about school outbreaks - looks like they just update the Covid article when something new comes along...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-six-school-outbreaks-in-past-week-with-fewer-than-10-cases-involved-1.4507871?mode=amp


  • #5118
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-variant-britain-idUSKBN2B213E

    UK variant has higher mortality as well as transmissiblity. Up to twice as high.

    The age range in the deaths being 0 - 85 today really f'd me up. I think I need an early night.

    What. That's some fairly big and really *sh!te news. No thanks


  • #5119
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,235 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    wakka12 wrote: »
    :D Unortodox jews hehe didn't even notice it in the original post!

    Autocorrect , damn it !


  • #5120
    gipi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,352 ✭✭✭gipi


    wakka12 wrote: »
    Some of my family's second lockdown birthdays are coming up again now. Oh the novelty of takeaway restaurant dinners to celebrate long worn off now. Can't believe we're doin it all over again!

    My mother reminded me today that Sunday will be the second lockdown Mother's Day....


  • #5121
    emo72
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,418 ✭✭✭emo72


    12500 a day vaccinated on average? ****ing hell. What a disaster. **** me. **** me Donelly should just resign. Disgrace of a ****ing useless minister.


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  • #5122
    Qiaonasen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Qiaonasen


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    The incessant, wildly optimistic predictions have to be a wind up or it's just staggeringly tragic denial.

    Germany were revealed as having intentionally covered up school outbreaks, so they're probably our role model. At this stage, even in spite of feeling like I'm a prisoner, I'm in the habit of just avoiding going out more and more as the numbers increase. It really is only a matter of time before vaccinations allow for things to be safely reopened. The risk will hopefully be decreased then. December or whatever. :(

    The wild optimism is I suspect marketing, politics and the financial markets hoping for recovery. The corona pandemic will rage for a few more years. I do suspect it will end at some point but current we have 100 million infections and still 7 billion or so people. We also have only a handful of countries in the west significantly vaccinating.

    It will take years for the rest of the world to catch up and as long as the virus is spreading we will have new variants etc etc.

    It is just realistic. Diseases take decades to die down. We will return to normal yes. But if you think it's gonna be this summer or next a rude awakening is coming.


  • #5123
    Qiaonasen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Qiaonasen


    gipi wrote: »
    My mother reminded me today that Sunday will be the second lockdown Mother's Day....


    I think next year will be the same. Then maybe 2023 we can get back on track.


  • #5124
    fred funk }{
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,838 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    Yet their daily deaths are steadily declining.

    As more and more people get vaccinated, the obsession with case numbers is going to have to go.

    Agree 100%. We're fixated on cases way too much. When deaths are very low and people stop being really sick from this then we're done with this.


  • #5125
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    Qiaonasen wrote: »
    The wild optimism is I suspect marketing, politics and the financial markets hoping for recovery. The corona pandemic will rage for a few more years. I do suspect it will end at some point but current we have 100 million infections and still 7 billion or so people. We also have only a handful of countries in the west significantly vaccinating.

    It will take years for the rest of the world to catch up and as long as the virus is spreading we will have new variants etc etc.

    It is just realistic. Diseases take decades to die down. We will return to normal yes. But if you think it's gonna be this summer or next a rude awakening is coming.

    Kermit?


  • #5126
    Qiaonasen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 220 ✭✭Qiaonasen


    D.Q wrote: »
    Kermit?


    What?


  • #5127
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/pandemic-to-be-prolonged-if-vaccine-knowledge-not-shared-says-report-1.4508025?mode=amp

    So here's what's impeding the vaccine rollout.

    The recipe is the intellectual property of the respective company.

    Not one of them has the backbone to make the formula of their version available to others.

    I'm depressed.


    To quote "the joker" if you're good at something, never do it for free!!! They have a commercial interest to protect..You'll never see what they call metoo versions of these vaccines and the EMA are worse than the FDA for calling the pharma industry to account. lets not forget, they all got the approvals on a conditional basis.. This Data has as much chance of being submitted as the negative/side effects have of being printed..Positive result data gets published 4 times easily. you want to be really depressed, read any number of good books on the subject..I dont remember his name but one higher up professor said that granting emergency approval is the same as deregulation..well to see all the Vacciness popping out of the woodwork now..you;d damn well think so..NOW with added tartar control!!! cleans gums and fights Herpes too :D:D


  • #5128
    Pwindedd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,308 ✭✭✭Pwindedd


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Profit principle usurps the greater good. A disheartening parable as old as civilisation itself.

    "The report from the Oireachtas Foreign Affairs committee also stated that there are a number of pharmaceutical plants in Ireland capable of producing Covid-19 vaccines, if they were given the knowledge and instructions to do so."

    The wheels should have been in motion from day one of vaccine approval. Meanwhile lockdown stretches on interminably...

    AZ could really save their reputation by being the first vaccine producer to share the magic recipe. They’re practically giving it away as it is. Or at least strike a deal with these plants and get their supply back on track locally. I’m sure other countries in the EU have similar capabilities on a small scale.


  • #5129
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-variant-britain-idUSKBN2B213E

    UK variant has higher mortality as well as transmissiblity. Up to twice as high.

    The age range in the deaths being 0 - 85 today really f'd me up. I think I need an early night.
    A highly infectious variant of COVID-19 that has spread around the world since it was first discovered in Britain late last year is between 30% and 100% more deadly than previous dominant variants, researchers said on Wednesday

    And it's now our dominant variant

    For ages the early reports on this variant emphasized that mortality rates weren't higher. I guess that changed

    Fcuking marvelous


  • #5130
    D.Q
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,054 ✭✭✭D.Q


    This thread after around 11pm haha


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  • #5131
    flashforward
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭flashforward


    Qiaonasen wrote: »
    The wild optimism is I suspect marketing, politics and the financial markets hoping for recovery. The corona pandemic will rage for a few more years. I do suspect it will end at some point but current we have 100 million infections and still 7 billion or so people. We also have only a handful of countries in the west significantly vaccinating.

    It will take years for the rest of the world to catch up and as long as the virus is spreading we will have new variants etc etc.

    It is just realistic. Diseases take decades to die down. We will return to normal yes. But if you think it's gonna be this summer or next a rude awakening is coming.

    You seem to enjoy the thought of this....

    Vaccinate the old and vulnerable then move on as normal. Deaths from Covid after that point will just have to be accepted as were the many many deaths we had every year(apart from last year ironically) from other virus's


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