When will it all end?

ELM327 · 11-03-2021 01:29PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

It's funny how alike they all are. Most of them are clear scumbags and the rest are clearly dim.

+1

These types of "protests" are attended by the likes of Gemma O Doherty and her ilk. Double digit IQ may be flattering as a label.

ELM327 · 11-03-2021 01:30PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Last one wasnt attended just by "knuckle draggers"

There was loads of familys there with kids whos businesses have been destroyed by these ridiculous lock downs.

It was a small percent that ruined it.

I hope theres a lot more there on St Patricks Day - and I hope it is a peaceful protest this time.

The good old friend of the peaceful protest, the explosives launched at the police force.
Bring back Robocop from the early 2000's protest.

Sharpyshoot · 11-03-2021 01:31PM

Any indication on hospitality opening? Easter is on the horizon. We are locked down long enough now.

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 01:33PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

There's great reason for hope. I hope that we can get through the winter without need to reimpose restrictions. This winter we were barely out of lockdown, let alone restrictions. Some restrictions would be a massive improvement if we could meet family and friends all winter.

But the chances of restrictions aren't like being hit by a bus or being struck by lightening - things that, strictly speaking, could happen but not worth considering seriously. Depending on how things go, there could be some restrictions needed in winter. We'll just have to wait and see.

It’s pointless comparing last winter to next winter. There were no vaccinations this winter. Apples oranges and all that. You missed my point about the bus, nothing is certain in life as you keep pointing out next winter.

Sure we could have restrictions next winter, but in my opinion going by research data etc i think it’s doubtful, not to the point it will affect a great deal of normality.

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 01:34PM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Any indication on hospitality opening? Easter is on the horizon. We are locked down long enough now.

Sharpy let me tell you the of the new world we live in.

Words to know: Cautious. Variants.

Experiences to remember: Christmas.

I think by mid August you should be able to eat outdoors. Welcome to Ireland, where we hand hold you to your safety from covid, and your bankruptcy.

11-03-2021 01:38PM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Any indication on hospitality opening? Easter is on the horizon. We are locked down long enough now.

Im not sure hospitality will open in 2021. The government just don’t want to say it as it would cause chaos.

But even hairdressers won’t open until May apparently. Retail maybe in June or so.

As we get closer to hospitality opening the narrative will change again to needing to get the schools back safely. And then caution over winter.

I imagine they are trying to think of ways to sell staycations without hospitality open.

FlubberJones · 11-03-2021 01:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Im not sure hospitality will open in 2021. The government just don’t want to say it as it would cause chaos.

I imagine they are trying to think of ways to sell staycations without hospitality open.

That should be an impossible task, staycations are dreadful anyway, take away the one things that dulls it all and makes it remotely passible (a decent pub or food place) and there's ****all chance to enjoy.

They simply can not expect people to want that, there should be squadrons of planes taking the population of this country to warmer more hospitality friendly locations i.e. ANYWHERE

11-03-2021 01:49PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

St Patricks day protest sounds like going to be quite a large gathering. anyone has more info?

Did ya make it to the last one?

JDD · 11-03-2021 01:53PM

I don't think opening the economy will depend on number infected anymore. I think it will depend on number vaccinated.

If we got a large batch of vaccines next week, and managed to get all over 70's vaccinated by mid-April, it wouldn't really matter if we were still have 100-200 or even 300 new infections a day. We could happily open retail, hotels, restaurants and hairdressers on 1 May.

But given the slow pace of supply, it looks like we won't have over 70's done until mid/end May. That probably means that we won't have retail/restaurants/hotels open until after mid-summers day on 21 June. People will point to the fact that infections will be down into double digit figures by then, but that's not the real test and not the reason restrictions will be lifted. Even if we plateaued at 100-200 per day, the government would know from the age profile of infections that it is unlikely to have a large sweep of hospitalisations as the number of infections go up (inevitable if hospitality opens). Couple that with the North opening on 21 June I think it's highly unlikely we will see hospitality reopening postponed until the end of the summer.

DISCLAIMER: I cannot predict anything and nobody knows for certain what will happen in the future.

batman_oh · 11-03-2021 01:54PM

FlubberJones wrote: »

That should be an impossible task, staycations are dreadful anyway, take away the one things that dulls it all and makes it remotely passible (a decent pub or food place) and there's ****all chance to enjoy.

They simply can not expect people to want that, there should be squadrons of planes taking the population of this country to warmer more hospitality friendly locations i.e. ANYWHERE

I tried the staycation thing early last July and it was crap. Westport was a ghost town and we managed to get a restaurant for an hour and a half and then had nothing to do. On to Sligo where we couldn't get in to anything so ended up getting an hour and a half slot in the hotel bar. Absolutely pissing rain the hole time so couldn't do anything outdoors.
Won't be doing that again unless there is a lot more open and more relaxation of restrictions.

franciscanpunk · 11-03-2021 01:56PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I'm not sure that the Taoiseach or Tánaiste giving an interview to a national newspaper really counts as a leak. Seems more like a planned communication. So I think we can take them seriously. They'll be subject to change if the situation changes drastically for better or worse, but I think you could take them seriously as the current best estimate.

Ha, yes fair point, habit of saying leaks.

Have someone i know gettinh married mid august and is very hopeful of all being ok on d basis that england will be restriction free 2 months at this point surely we can have 100 people at our wedding that already been delayed a few times

I just dont see how we will move from cautiously opening retail shops where the number of people going in can be can controlled with masks, sanitizer etc as further requirements to mitigate risk sometime in June to yeah go on have a wedding live your lives again 2 months later.

If any business cant open in some capacity by June I hope protests happen on a mass scale with full on chaos(but as I've said before i wont be protesting, im fully paid WFH for now, i wont actually feel the economic affects for now, my misery be speread over many years of paying for all this i might not notice too much)

mcsean2163 · 11-03-2021 02:05PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Sharpy let me tell you the of the new world we live in.

Words to know: Cautious. Variants.

Experiences to remember: Christmas.

I think by mid August you should be able to eat outdoors. Welcome to Ireland, where we hand hold you to your safety from covid, and your bankruptcy.

You're back. Was that you firing the rocket in the policeman's face at the Dublin riot?

Hellrazer · 11-03-2021 02:17PM

ELM327 wrote: »

The good old friend of the peaceful protest, the explosives launched at the police force.
Bring back Robocop from the early 2000's protest.

And that lad deserves everything he gets for throwing the firework at the Garda. However citizens have a right to protest peacefully.

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 02:18PM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

You're back. Was that you firing the rocket in the policeman's face at the Dublin riot?

Dont think so. I just came back from Spain.

rocket into policeman's face? What is this Naples.

dublin49 · 11-03-2021 02:25PM

The Government need to be careful they don't "lose the dressing room " as happened with the water charges.If consensus disappears it aint coming back and they will have some job keeping order then .In reality the country told the Government to eff off re water charges and it could easily happen again.They told us to wait until the vaccines arrive and all will be ok,they cannot take that back now as it won't be accepted.

Multipass · 11-03-2021 02:30PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Sharpy let me tell you the of the new world we live in.

Words to know: Cautious. Variants.

Experiences to remember: Christmas.

I think by mid August you should be able to eat outdoors. Welcome to Ireland, where we hand hold you to your safety from covid, and your bankruptcy.

Where we save the dying from Covid, and let the young die on waiting lists.

https://www.thejournal.ie/hse-gynaecology-appointment-backlog-5372001-Mar2021/
‘Figures show more than 30,000 people waiting on HSE gynaecology outpatient appointments. The figures were released through a Parliamentary Question to Sinn Féin TD Sorcha Clarke, who said it is “beyond concerning” and “astonishingly dangerous” that 4,372 people have been waiting over 18 months for an outpatient appointment.’

Stay home, stay safe.

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 02:32PM

JDD wrote: »

I don't think opening the economy will depend on number infected anymore. I think it will depend on number vaccinated.

.

It appears that’s the thinking in the government. I believe they are extending restrictions to May( even though i thought it was going to be at least May for easing) due to possible temporary vaccine shortage. So it would seem they are basing restrictions on vaccines going forward. Which is good.

bucketybuck · 11-03-2021 02:35PM

dublin49 wrote: »

The Government need to be careful they don't "lose the dressing room " as happened with the water charges.If consensus disappears it aint coming back and they will have some job keeping order then .In reality the country told the Government to eff off re water charges and it could easily happen again.They told us to wait until the vaccines arrive and all will be ok,they cannot take that back now as it won't be accepted.

This country is just as lazy and impotent as its government, if "the people" had any balls they would not be accepting this level of incompetence from their elected officials.

They deserve everything they get.

11-03-2021 02:38PM

MM told the Mirror that we’d be severely locked down until May. People freaked out so they made up a review date of April 5th.

Now they’re just more or less admitting that there isn’t really a review. Most things are set in stone regardless of numbers.

They’ll probably extend the 5Km as more and more people are breaking it now anyways.

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 02:44PM

Deleted User wrote: »

MM told the Mirror that we’d be severely locked down until May. People freaked out so they made up a review date of April 5th.

Now they’re just more or less admitting that there isn’t really a review. Most things are set in stone regardless of numbers.

They’ll probably extend the 5Km as more and more people are breaking it now anyways.

Thats what I think too.

If 5km is increased to 10km or removed altogether you ll see tons of evictions setting off. They ll keep it but make it blatantly obvious that you can go well beyond 5km "unofficially".

I am being told by health gurus on this thread that if people move more than 5.1km from their home then cases grow exponentially. I think same gurus were watching netflix and eating dominos before March 2020 also

Allinall · 11-03-2021 02:46PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Thats what I think too.

If 5km is increased to 10km or removed altogether you ll see tons of evictions setting off. They ll keep it but make it blatantly obvious that you can go well beyond 5km "unofficially".

I am being told by health gurus on this thread that if people move more than 5.1km from their home then cases grow exponentially. I think same gurus were watching netflix and eating dominos before March 2020 also

Eh... not you're not.

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 02:49PM

EU approves single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine
Company to deliver 200m doses to EU with 600,000 to Ireland between April and June

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/eu-approves-single-shot-johnson-johnson-vaccine-1.4507473

GOOD news.

End is in sight. (end has begun couple of weeks ago for some though :pac:)

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 02:54PM

Well I suppose I have to report some bad news also, unlike RTE, G&L news Ltd is honest.

"Denmark suspends AstraZeneca Covid shots for two weeks after blood clot reports"

Denmark has put using AstraZeneca’s Covid-19 vaccine shots on hold for two weeks after reports of cases of blood clots forming, including one death in Denmark, Danish authorities said on Thursday.

They did not say how many reports of blood clots there had been, but Austria has stopped using a batch of AstraZeneca shots while investigating a death from coagulation disorders and an illness from a pulmonary embolism.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/denmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-shots-for-two-weeks-after-blood-clot-reports-1.4507557?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fbusiness%2Fhealth-pharma%2Fdenmark-suspends-astrazeneca-covid-shots-for-two-weeks-after-blood-clot-reports-1.4507557

I think we are in the clear as Pfizer is our vaccine of choice.

Sometimes I feel like when I ask a question when will it all end, the only answer coming to mind is when Arsenal win the champions league.

ELM327 · 11-03-2021 02:55PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

And that lad deserves everything he gets for throwing the firework at the Garda. However citizens have a right to protest peacefully.

Not when its illegal to hold mass gatherings or travel more than 5km
Protesting is not an essential journey.

franciscanpunk · 11-03-2021 03:00PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

EU approves single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine
Company to deliver 200m doses to EU with 600,000 to Ireland between April and June

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/eu-approves-single-shot-johnson-johnson-vaccine-1.4507473

GOOD news.

End is in sight. (end has begun couple of weeks ago for some though :pac:)

Be great to get 600k shots by end of june, atound 13% of the population fully completed.

I would be exremely doubtful this will happen on schedule though, nothing to date so far leads me to believe these agreed supply targets will actually reach the EU in line with schedule

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 03:00PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Not when its illegal to hold mass gatherings or travel more than 5km
Protesting is not an essential journey.

Out of all things one can do in life protesting is very much 1 of the most essentials. If your children ask you what did you do during covid hysteria and you ll tell them "I was staying at home like a good boy eating Dominos and watching netflix", you will cease to be cool.

That is if you were cool in the first place.

Mr. Karate · 11-03-2021 03:02PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Fair illustration of the hysteria surrounding the whole situation. Whatever about if some restrict will be needed this coming winter, all things going to plan, they won’t be needed any other winter. This idea that the Irish government has suddenly discovered its inner totalitarian, is silly. But if you enjoy the role playing, fair enough. Enjoy it.

As a matter of interest, to those who think their kind of thing is likely: have all the world’s governments suddenly turned despotic or is it just Ireland?

There's no excuse at this stage to keep extending these restrictions. Numbers are falling and more and more people are being vaccinated. We should be opening up. Instead he kicked the can down the road into the middle of Summer.

If these clowns don't want to called Totalitarian Tyrants then they should stop acting like tyrants.

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 03:04PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Be great to get 600k shots by end of june, atound 13% of the population fully completed.

American government has banned the export of the vaccine.

It's also only 66% efficacy which, if we ever want to reach herd immunity, is not good when there are vaccines with 95% efficacy available.

Hellrazer · 11-03-2021 03:06PM

ELM327 wrote: »

Not when its illegal to hold mass gatherings or travel more than 5km
Protesting is not an essential journey.

That all depends on whether the Health legislation overrides the constitutional rights of an individual to protest (or assembly as its written in the constitution)

Its kind of a grey area at the minute and needs some clarification.

It would probably be for a court to decide if someone was to challenge it.

ELM327 · 11-03-2021 03:08PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

That all depends on whether the Health legislation overrides the constitutional rights of an individual to protest (or assembly as its written in the constitution)

Its kind of a grey area at the minute and needs some clarification.

It would probably be for a court to decide if someone was to challenge it.

There is no "grey area". If you are found more than 5km from your house you are breaking the law if you are not on essential trip (work, medical, childcare,shopping)

When will it all end?

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