When will it all end?

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 12:16PM

Batattackrat wrote: »

Because I know those numbers are BS, 71% do not fear going shopping FFS

Well of course you think the figures are bull****. You've been given a stat result of 71% and you've pulled your own question of what that represents out of thin air.

The question was "When will you feel comfortable shopping again in physical stores?" and the survey was carried out in mid January, when numbers where at their highest.

6% - Never
16% - When lockdown is over
28% - When covid numbers are lower
27% - When vaccine rollout is complete

23% - I already do.

The 16%, 28%, and 27% is your 71% (I don't know why they didn't include the 6% and say 77% are uncomfortable).

You can read the full report here > https://www.weare.ie/TippingPoint2021/2/

GT89 · 11-03-2021 12:21PM

Irish Stones wrote: »

As for the time being, I am not shopping in local shops anymore. And it's not because of fear. It's because that I don't stand the fact that I'm being treated like a plague-ridden person, waiting outside, with the mask, only allowed in when the previous customer has gone out, please keep your distance, let me read your temperature.
If this is the way they like to do business today, they can keep their stuff on the shelves.
Internet has just everything, and while I'm clicking on the items I need, comfortably sat at home, nobody is asking me to sanitize my hands and wear a mask.
It is very likely I will keep doing this even in the future.

Whatever about masks any shops that require me to sanitise my hands upon entry will not be getting my business. The virus is not spread by fomites so therefore using hand sanitiser is near useless against covid 19.

CalamariFritti · 11-03-2021 12:23PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m not so sure that the economy will bounce back as strong as people think. Ultimately, normality is just normal.

People will obviously flock back to the pubs and have nights out but I think it will be short lived before settling back into routine.

People who have saved big won’t want to blow it and people who were unemployed won’t be going mental. And lots of the savings will end up going on foreign holidays.

I’d say after 2 or 3 months of normality everything will settle down again.

Even more so people will be wary to spend.

We all listened to Leo being on about the people's savings and how he cant wait to see it spilling into the tax coffers. We also understand that this borrowing printed money craze is unlikely to be without consequences. Tax hikes will come and so will inflation. More money being pumped from the bottom to the top. Like it always does.

Plus trust and belief in the stability of our societies has been shattered. The unthinkable has become the norm. A continued uncertainty will hang over everything for years. We are seeing birth rates plummeting already. The damage we have done and continue to do will dwarf the actual covid fallout.

Just my opinion.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 12:31PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Of course life is full of uncertainties. I mean who’s to say if i’ll be around next winter, easy to get hit by a bus.

If you want to go by what politicians say Leo did say this “ nobody could say for certain that there wouldn’t be another lockdown”. I do get that. That’s not a confirmation but maybes, possibilities etc

However he then goes on to say “ he said the vaccine data was “very positive”, with all vaccines showing “close to 100pc effectiveness in preventing severe illness, hospitalisation and death”. That’s the very important part. If that holds true and we have the most important people vaccinated ( as we are doing now) we are less likely to have problems at the end of the year. The chances are quite low that we will need further lockdowns in my opinion. I think it’s more likely we won’t have lockdowns than we will have.

In the words of Joe Biden “ There is real reason for hope folks, I promise you,"

There's great reason for hope. I hope that we can get through the winter without need to reimpose restrictions. This winter we were barely out of lockdown, let alone restrictions. Some restrictions would be a massive improvement if we could meet family and friends all winter.

But the chances of restrictions aren't like being hit by a bus or being struck by lightening - things that, strictly speaking, could happen but not worth considering seriously. Depending on how things go, there could be some restrictions needed in winter. We'll just have to wait and see.

francogarbanzo · 11-03-2021 12:33PM

We're expecting our firstborn in July. Am I naive in thinking that in August, my folks will be able to travel here from the States to meet their first grandkid?

They've both had and recovered from Covid, and will both be vaccinated by that point, btw.

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 12:33PM

GT89 wrote: »

Whatever about masks any shops that require me to sanitise my hands upon entry will not be getting my business. The virus is not spread by fomites so therefore using hand sanitiser is near useless against covid 19.

But look what's it's done to the flu. This is one that's going to be staying I would imagine.

I'm not saying you won't be allowed in unless you sanitise, but I think sanitiser at shop doorways will be a permanent fixture.

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 12:35PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

We're expecting our firstborn in July. Am I naive in thinking that in August, my folks will be able to travel here from the States to meet their first grandkid?

They've both had and recovered from Covid, and will both be vaccinated by that point, btw.

They're allowed travel now. Why not then? They may have to produce a negative test result.

Multipass · 11-03-2021 12:35PM

Batattackrat wrote: »

Because I know those numbers are BS, 71% do not fear going shopping FFS

Wait a minute, if 71% fear shopping how did we all ‘go mad’ over Christmas?

francogarbanzo · 11-03-2021 12:36PM

Scotty # wrote: »

They're allowed travel now. Why not then? They may have to produce a negative test result.

Cheers. It's difficult to set any expectations for what May will look like, let alone August. Appreciate the sanity check.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 12:38PM

the kelt wrote: »

Maybe people are just fed up being told the same point again and again and again and again which basically says well you can’t predict the future on a thread where people are contributing to, to try and predict the future!!

On a thread where people are actively discussing what might happen in the future.

“Well we don’t really know what’s going to happen and when it will end, this might happen or that might happen”

Yeah we get that, valid point and very true but this is a thread where the title kinda gives it away and people come to discuss when they think this will end.

“Well we don’t really know what’s going to happen and when it will end, this might happen or that might happen”

Again yes valid point but it’s looking very good with the vaccine efficiency etc.

“Well we don’t really know.......

It’s like going on to one of the sports forums discussing upcoming championships etc and declaring well we can’t tell the future so don’t know what’s going to happen, again and again again.

It’s a valid point but guess what, we know that we can’t tell the future etc.

Well, you say that we can't tell the future - and you're right, obviously. But some posters seem pretty sure they know what will happen. Here's an example referring to whether restrictions will be needed next winter or not...

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nothing absolutely nothing, all restrictions will be over for the general public. Once we have a safe at home treatment in good supply that's the end of it. Molnupiravir stops Covid spread and disease progression, Leo mentioned it in January and we know have even more evidence.

It seems pretty clear that predicting that things will go back to normal in summer and no restrictions will be needed in winter is free from this rule that "we know that we can’t tell the future".

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 12:41PM

AdamD wrote: »

Meanwhile, 6% say they will never feel comfortable shopping in-store on their local high street - ever again.

That's..worrying

Ah, it is and it isn't. I take it as a snapshot of how people are feeling right now rather than a serious prediction of how people will behave in the future. I'm sure lots of people have become more comfortable with online shopping as the primary way of getting things so i imagine that will change behaviour to an extent. But I wouldn't take the 6% as a serious predictor that those people will almost never set foot in retail again.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 12:45PM

JDD wrote: »

Ahhhhh. Well that completely explains that. I didn't read the RTE article - I'm assuming they didn't point out that the survey was carried out by a vested interest?

The entire second paragraph... "The research published by .IE, the company that manages Ireland's country domain .ie, in partnership with Digital Business Ireland, shows that 23% will not feel comfortable until Covid-19 cases are much lower than they are now."

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 12:48PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m guessing you’re reffering to me and now are twisting it to suit your narrative.

If you look at my last post i’m explaining my exact opinions more thoroughly. Yes no one can tell the future for sure but with the current info and data on vaccines etc i think we are less likely to have future lockdowns. The chances are more in favour that we won’t IMO. Hence i don’t think we will at the end of the year once we have the old and vulnerable inoculated that protects from near 100% serious illness, hospitalizations and death.

I was not referring to you.

Why do you keep jumping to lockdowns? Lockdowns would be at the extreme end of the scale and are only likely if things go disastrously. Restrictions are far more likely than lockdowns. I keep talking about restrictions and you keep wanting to only talk about lockdowns.

franciscanpunk · 11-03-2021 01:02PM

Am i right to think that judging by the leaks about no reduction of any significance until mid may(which im sure will be extended again) that this lockdown\period of extreme restrictions will be at least as long as the first lockdown if not much longer.

franciscanpunk · 11-03-2021 01:04PM

Todays opinion on the question when will it all end, cant see there being a period of time again without any restictions on our previous freedoms(covid 19 related for a few years and whatever comes after that maybe something to do with climtate change)

Mr. Karate · 11-03-2021 01:06PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Am i right to think that judging by the leaks about no reduction of any significance until mid may(which im sure will be extended again) that this lockdown\period of extreme restrictions will be at least as long as the first lockdown if not much longer.

Certainly is shaping up to look like that. The sad part is that this will go well into Summer, crawl out of it at a snail's pace and then come Oct they'll force us into another one and we'll be right here this time next year wondering when it will end.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 01:08PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Am i right to think that judging by the leaks about no reduction of any significance until mid may(which im sure will be extended again) that this lockdown\period of extreme restrictions will be at least as long as the first lockdown if not much longer.

I'm not sure that the Taoiseach or Tánaiste giving an interview to a national newspaper really counts as a leak. Seems more like a planned communication. So I think we can take them seriously. They'll be subject to change if the situation changes drastically for better or worse, but I think you could take them seriously as the current best estimate.

ELM327 · 11-03-2021 01:09PM

Mr. Karate wrote: »

Certainly is shaping up to look like that. The sad part is that this will go well into Summer, crawl out of it at a snail's pace and then come Oct they'll force us into another one and we'll be right here this time next year wondering when it will end.

The year is 2050, the taoiseach is making the annual announcement of 12 month lockdown to "cover the 10-14 days to flatten the curve".
We now have to keep 10 meters distance and wear 4 masks.

Covid is eradicated and multiple vaccines exist, yet government wouldnt give up their control.

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 01:12PM

Was missing there for a while, had my bday. Invited 6 friends. Poker, drinks, for like 8 hours straight. Incredible.

Rule of 6. Although there were 7 of us :pac: so I suppose I broke that rule

Mr. Karate · 11-03-2021 01:15PM

ELM327 wrote: »

The year is 2050, the taoiseach is making the annual announcement of 12 month lockdown to "cover the 10-14 days to flatten the curve".
We now have to keep 10 meters distance and wear 4 masks.

Covid is eradicated and multiple vaccines exist, yet government wouldnt give up their control.

Too bad Ireland doesn't have a Court System worth a damn. They could do like some State Supreme Courts have done to certain Governors and strip them of their Emergency Powers since the power was clearly going to their heads.

El_Duderino 09 · 11-03-2021 01:16PM

ELM327 wrote: »

The year is 2050, the taoiseach is making the annual announcement of 12 month lockdown to "cover the 10-14 days to flatten the curve".
We now have to keep 10 meters distance and wear 4 masks.

Covid is eradicated and multiple vaccines exist, yet government wouldnt give up their control.

Fair illustration of the hysteria surrounding the whole situation. Whatever about if some restrict will be needed this coming winter, all things going to plan, they won’t be needed any other winter. This idea that the Irish government has suddenly discovered its inner totalitarian, is silly. But if you enjoy the role playing, fair enough. Enjoy it.

As a matter of interest, to those who think their kind of thing is likely: have all the world’s governments suddenly turned despotic or is it just Ireland?

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 01:16PM

St Patricks day protest sounds like going to be quite a large gathering. anyone has more info?

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 01:19PM

franciscanpunk wrote: »

Am i right to think that judging by the leaks about no reduction of any significance until mid may(which im sure will be extended again) that this lockdown\period of extreme restrictions will be at least as long as the first lockdown if not much longer.

This one will be longer. The first one was taken way more seriously. Far more were working from home last time, far less were packing out Harvey Norman's and Woodies every weekend. So, the numbers are coming down much slower this time.

Current projections are showing early May for double digit cases, that's not what determines lockdowns but I'm just using it as an indicator, I can't see us opening up while we're still in triple daily figures.

Food for thought, 13th June 2020 was the first time we postponed opening the pubs. There were 21 cases that day.

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 01:25PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

St Patricks day protest sounds like going to be quite a large gathering. anyone has more info?

Yes, it's going to be attended by the usual knuckle draggers who while protesting the length of lockdowns will fail to see the irony that in doing so, they are actually extending the length of lockdowns. The rest of us will point and laugh.

Ginger n Lemon · 11-03-2021 01:26PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Yes, it's going to be attended by the usual knuckle draggers who while protesting the length of lockdowns will fail to see the irony that in doing so, they are actually extending the length of lockdowns. The rest of us will point and laugh.

How long are they extending it by?

GooglePlus · 11-03-2021 01:27PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Yes, it's going to be attended by the usual knuckle draggers who while protesting the length of lockdowns will fail to see the irony that in doing so, they are actually extending the length of lockdowns. The rest of us will point and laugh.

It's funny how alike they all are. Most of them are clear scumbags and the rest are clearly dim.

ELM327 · 11-03-2021 01:28PM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Fair illustration of the hysteria surrounding the whole situation. Whatever about if some restrict will be needed this coming winter, all things going to plan, they won’t be needed any other winter. This idea that the Irish government has suddenly discovered its inner totalitarian, is silly. But if you enjoy the role playing, fair enough. Enjoy it.

As a matter of interest, to those who think their kind of thing is likely: have all the world’s governments suddenly turned despotic or is it just Ireland?

It's obviously an exaggeration on my behalf but it illustrates the annoyance well.

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 01:28PM

GooglePlus wrote: »

It's funny how alike they all are. Most of them are clear scumbags and the rest are clearly dim.

A lot of them are both!!

Hellrazer · 11-03-2021 01:28PM

Scotty # wrote: »

Yes, it's going to be attended by the usual knuckle draggers who while protesting the length of lockdowns will fail to see the irony that in doing so, they are actually extending the length of lockdowns. The rest of us will point and laugh.

Last one wasnt attended just by "knuckle draggers"

There was loads of familys there with kids whos businesses have been destroyed by these ridiculous lock downs.

It was a small percent that ruined it.

I hope theres a lot more there on St Patricks Day - and I hope it is a peaceful protest this time.

Scotty # · 11-03-2021 01:29PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

How long are they extending it by?

9 years.

When will it all end?

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