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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Ireland has so much big pharma in the country but no power over what they produce , usual sorry Irish state

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's not that much of an emergency that we are going to be injecting grandma with something that hasn't been approved by an EU regulator.

    It's an obviously ridiculous idea, it's up there with Trump wondering why we didn't just inject some bleach.


    It's only a matter of time before it's approved, hopefully the EMA won't let lethargy or politics interfere.


    Peer review checks out. It's a help but not a real game changer at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    usual sorry Irish state

    The "poor us, poor me" routine adds nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,608 ✭✭✭Azatadine


    Ireland has so much big pharma in the country but no power over what they produce , usual sorry Irish state

    Why on earth would the state have an input into corporate pharma and what those companies produce?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Ireland has so much big pharma in the country but no power over what they produce , usual sorry Irish state
    is that not the essence of communism


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭Hobgoblin11


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Why on earth would the state have an input into corporate pharma and what those companies produce?

    why on earth? So as to produce vaccines!

    Dundalk, Co. Louth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭mick087


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's not that much of an emergency that we are going to be injecting grandma with something that hasn't been approved by an EU regulator.

    It's an obviously ridiculous idea, it's up there with Trump wondering why we didn't just inject some bleach.

    Then deaths will rise, and you wont need approval by an EU regulator for this because Covid will insist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    mick087 wrote: »
    Then deaths will rise, and you wont need approval by an EU regulator for this because Covid will insist.
    A large proportion of the vulnerable population (older people in particular) are vaccinated so deaths likely won't rise above levels we've seen in the past again lets be honest


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Azatadine wrote: »
    Why on earth would the state have an input into corporate pharma and what those companies produce?

    That said the blocks who have done a good job on vaccine rollout have done exactly that.

    Input doesn't always mean control.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭mick087


    A large proportion of the vulnerable population (older people in particular) are vaccinated so deaths likely won't rise above levels we've seen in the past again lets be honest

    If we are honest we don't really have a clue long-term.

    We are all banking on the vaccines working well and people are getting panicky about the slow roll out.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    mick087 wrote: »
    Then deaths will rise, and you wont need approval by an EU regulator for this because Covid will insist.
    We don't inject people with unapproved medicines. Full stop. Neither do we rely on data that hasn't been checked by the regulator, and we don't let any old manufacturing plant anywhere in the world produce medicines.

    When we inject someone with something that hasn't been approved and it ends up killing them or they grow another arm, we'll have the loudmouths looking for inquiries long after Covid is only a memory and asking how this was allowed to happen.


  • Site Banned Posts: 85 ✭✭jackryan34


    hmmm wrote: »
    We don't inject people with unapproved medicines. Full stop. Neither do we rely on data that hasn't been checked by the regulator, and we don't let any old plant anywhere in the world produce medicines.

    When we inject someone with something that hasn't been approved and it ends up killing them or they grow another arm, we'll have the loudmouths looking for inquiries long after Covid is only a memory and asking how this was allowed to happen.

    Your usually very calm hmmm

    What's set you off tonight?


  • Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    astrofool wrote: »
    The UK has blocked exports and no one has stopped their supply of materials, should the EU do the same as the UK? Simple question.

    Can you provide something to back up that statement?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    jackryan34 wrote: »
    Your usually very calm hmmm

    What's set you off tonight?

    I'm going to assume the suggestion of injecting people with an unapproved vaccine might annoy people & the nonsense that's going along side it. Just a guess though...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    mick087 wrote: »
    If we are honest we don't really have a clue long-term.

    We are all banking on the vaccines working well and people are getting panicky about the slow roll out.
    We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭mick087


    hmmm wrote: »
    We don't inject people with unapproved medicines. Full stop. Neither do we rely on data that hasn't been checked by the regulator, and we don't let any old manufacturing plant anywhere in the world produce medicines.

    When we inject someone with something that hasn't been approved and it ends up killing them or they grow another arm, we'll have the loudmouths looking for inquiries long after Covid is only a memory and asking how this was allowed to happen.

    No we don't your correct.
    Looking back do you believe this was and is still best practice?
    Should there of been emergency approval of some of these vaccines?
    What lessons have been learned?

    Covid cares little for inquiries or loud mouths.
    Sometimes especially in an emergency situation the normal course of action is not always the correct course of action.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭mick087


    We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well

    Yes excellent outstanding but we don't have enough at this moment in time of the approved vaccines.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,507 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Just get it in your brain. Say it slowly and repeat. The UK has not blocked exports, the UK has not blocked exports. You are blaming a Country and not the company for delays.

    Should the EU block the export of vaccines produced in EU manufacturing plants the same as the UK has done? It's a yes/no question, and it's fine if you want to refuse to answer it, but everyone knows why you are refusing to answer it.


  • Site Banned Posts: 85 ✭✭jackryan34


    We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well

    With that knowledge

    How do you see Winter 21/22 going with 3 million adults vaccinated here and no restrictions? The other 2 million of the population in Ireland are children, pregnant women, allergies, anti vaxxers btw, i'm assuming pregnant women and children won't have a vac available to them

    Can you use that knowledge to have an educated guess on hospitalisatons, cases per day, deaths etc

    I'd like to see your projections of what a working well vaccine can do


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    mick087 wrote: »
    Yes excellent outstanding but we don't have enough at this moment in time of the approved vaccines.
    So you want us to get an unapproved vaccine?
    Thanks, but no thanks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    I see the USA vaccinating 2.15 milion a day the last 7 days.


  • Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    astrofool wrote: »
    Should the EU block the export of vaccines produced in EU manufacturing plants the same as the UK has done? It's a yes/no question, and it's fine if you want to refuse to answer it, but everyone knows why you are refusing to answer it.

    On what basis would they block deliveries to the uk?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,122 ✭✭✭mick087


    So you want us to get an unapproved vaccine?
    Thanks, but no thanks.

    I would take this vaccine if i was offered.

    If you don't wish to take it that is absolutely fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well

    I admire your patience in responding to all this false information in here on a daily basis. At the end of the day this virus has shown every country up for its “Achilles Heel” and Ireland’s Achilles heel has, is and always will be drowning in despair. We’re miserable fookers and no vaccine will change that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    I see the USA vaccinating 2.15 milion a day the last 7 days.

    They are eager. Others aren't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    jackryan34 wrote: »
    With that knowledge

    How do you see Winter 21/22 going with 3 million adults vaccinated here and no restrictions? The other 2 million of the population in Ireland are children, pregnant women, allergies, anti vaxxers btw, i'm assuming pregnant women and children won't have a vac available to them

    Can you use that knowledge to have an educated guess on hospitalisatons, cases per day, deaths etc

    I'd like to see your projections of what a working well vaccine can do

    Certainly not high enough to warrant another lockdown or restrictions.


  • Site Banned Posts: 85 ✭✭jackryan34


    Danzy wrote: »
    Certainly not high enough to warrant another lockdown or restrictions.

    I know its an ask

    But we had all these models showing us what would happen without restrictions when we had no vaccine.

    Now we have a vaccine and we know they work

    I'd like to see a real world model of how it looks with no restrictions, 60% of population vaccinated and winter conditions

    Has anyone seen such a model?

    Not a Utopian model with 100% of people vaccinated

    A real world that includes anti vaxxers, kids, pregnant women etc

    I think 60% total population vaccinated is very realistic for us this winter 21/22


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Danzy wrote: »
    Certainly not high enough to warrant another lockdown or restrictions.

    The poster fails to realise or understand ( or is just trolling)that the ones that will be vaccinated are the ones that the lockdown/restrictions were for.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    jackryan34 wrote: »
    I know its an ask

    But we had all these models showing us what would happen without restrictions when we had no vaccine.

    Now we have a vaccine and we know they work

    I'd like to see a real world model of how it looks with no restrictions, 60% of population vaccinated and winter conditions

    Has anyone seen such a model?

    Not a Utopian model with 100% of people vaccinated

    A real world that includes anti vaxxers, kids, pregnant women etc

    I think 60% total population vaccinated is very realistic for us this winter 21/22

    Think it is realistic,


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  • Site Banned Posts: 85 ✭✭jackryan34


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    The poster fails to realise or understand ( or is just trolling)that the ones that will be vaccinated are the ones that the lockdown/restrictions were for.

    Micky no offence but this might be too advanced for you.

    Will be alot of maths, probabilities of two events occurring, p (a and b )calculations, compound probabilities, its a difficult question

    Might be better if you sit this one out

    Thanks


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