COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Hobgoblin11 · 10-03-2021 11:22PM

Ireland has so much big pharma in the country but no power over what they produce , usual sorry Irish state

Danzy · 10-03-2021 11:25PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's not that much of an emergency that we are going to be injecting grandma with something that hasn't been approved by an EU regulator.

It's an obviously ridiculous idea, it's up there with Trump wondering why we didn't just inject some bleach.

It's only a matter of time before it's approved, hopefully the EMA won't let lethargy or politics interfere.

Peer review checks out. It's a help but not a real game changer at all.

Danzy · 10-03-2021 11:26PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

usual sorry Irish state

The "poor us, poor me" routine adds nothing.

Azatadine · 10-03-2021 11:26PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Ireland has so much big pharma in the country but no power over what they produce , usual sorry Irish state

Why on earth would the state have an input into corporate pharma and what those companies produce?

ACitizenErased · 10-03-2021 11:28PM

Hobgoblin11 wrote: »

Ireland has so much big pharma in the country but no power over what they produce , usual sorry Irish state

is that not the essence of communism

Hobgoblin11 · 10-03-2021 11:30PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Why on earth would the state have an input into corporate pharma and what those companies produce?

why on earth? So as to produce vaccines!

mick087 · 10-03-2021 11:30PM

hmmm wrote: »

It's not that much of an emergency that we are going to be injecting grandma with something that hasn't been approved by an EU regulator.

It's an obviously ridiculous idea, it's up there with Trump wondering why we didn't just inject some bleach.

Then deaths will rise, and you wont need approval by an EU regulator for this because Covid will insist.

ACitizenErased · 10-03-2021 11:31PM

mick087 wrote: »

Then deaths will rise, and you wont need approval by an EU regulator for this because Covid will insist.

A large proportion of the vulnerable population (older people in particular) are vaccinated so deaths likely won't rise above levels we've seen in the past again lets be honest

Danzy · 10-03-2021 11:33PM

Azatadine wrote: »

Why on earth would the state have an input into corporate pharma and what those companies produce?

That said the blocks who have done a good job on vaccine rollout have done exactly that.

Input doesn't always mean control.

mick087 · 10-03-2021 11:36PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

A large proportion of the vulnerable population (older people in particular) are vaccinated so deaths likely won't rise above levels we've seen in the past again lets be honest

If we are honest we don't really have a clue long-term.

We are all banking on the vaccines working well and people are getting panicky about the slow roll out.

hmmm · 10-03-2021 11:39PM

mick087 wrote: »

Then deaths will rise, and you wont need approval by an EU regulator for this because Covid will insist.

We don't inject people with unapproved medicines. Full stop. Neither do we rely on data that hasn't been checked by the regulator, and we don't let any old manufacturing plant anywhere in the world produce medicines.

When we inject someone with something that hasn't been approved and it ends up killing them or they grow another arm, we'll have the loudmouths looking for inquiries long after Covid is only a memory and asking how this was allowed to happen.

jackryan34 · 10-03-2021 11:40PM

hmmm wrote: »

We don't inject people with unapproved medicines. Full stop. Neither do we rely on data that hasn't been checked by the regulator, and we don't let any old plant anywhere in the world produce medicines.

When we inject someone with something that hasn't been approved and it ends up killing them or they grow another arm, we'll have the loudmouths looking for inquiries long after Covid is only a memory and asking how this was allowed to happen.

Your usually very calm hmmm

What's set you off tonight?

10-03-2021 11:42PM

astrofool wrote: »

The UK has blocked exports and no one has stopped their supply of materials, should the EU do the same as the UK? Simple question.

Can you provide something to back up that statement?

stephenjmcd · 10-03-2021 11:42PM

jackryan34 wrote: »

Your usually very calm hmmm

What's set you off tonight?

I'm going to assume the suggestion of injecting people with an unapproved vaccine might annoy people & the nonsense that's going along side it. Just a guess though...

ACitizenErased · 10-03-2021 11:42PM

mick087 wrote: »

If we are honest we don't really have a clue long-term.

We are all banking on the vaccines working well and people are getting panicky about the slow roll out.

We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well

mick087 · 10-03-2021 11:47PM

hmmm wrote: »

We don't inject people with unapproved medicines. Full stop. Neither do we rely on data that hasn't been checked by the regulator, and we don't let any old manufacturing plant anywhere in the world produce medicines.

When we inject someone with something that hasn't been approved and it ends up killing them or they grow another arm, we'll have the loudmouths looking for inquiries long after Covid is only a memory and asking how this was allowed to happen.

No we don't your correct.
Looking back do you believe this was and is still best practice?
Should there of been emergency approval of some of these vaccines?
What lessons have been learned?

Covid cares little for inquiries or loud mouths.
Sometimes especially in an emergency situation the normal course of action is not always the correct course of action.

mick087 · 10-03-2021 11:50PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well

Yes excellent outstanding but we don't have enough at this moment in time of the approved vaccines.

astrofool · 11-03-2021 12:02AM

brickster69 wrote: »

Just get it in your brain. Say it slowly and repeat. The UK has not blocked exports, the UK has not blocked exports. You are blaming a Country and not the company for delays.

Should the EU block the export of vaccines produced in EU manufacturing plants the same as the UK has done? It's a yes/no question, and it's fine if you want to refuse to answer it, but everyone knows why you are refusing to answer it.

jackryan34 · 11-03-2021 12:06AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well

With that knowledge

How do you see Winter 21/22 going with 3 million adults vaccinated here and no restrictions? The other 2 million of the population in Ireland are children, pregnant women, allergies, anti vaxxers btw, i'm assuming pregnant women and children won't have a vac available to them

Can you use that knowledge to have an educated guess on hospitalisatons, cases per day, deaths etc

I'd like to see your projections of what a working well vaccine can do

ACitizenErased · 11-03-2021 12:06AM

mick087 wrote: »

Yes excellent outstanding but we don't have enough at this moment in time of the approved vaccines.

So you want us to get an unapproved vaccine?
Thanks, but no thanks.

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 12:08AM

I see the USA vaccinating 2.15 milion a day the last 7 days.

11-03-2021 12:08AM

astrofool wrote: »

Should the EU block the export of vaccines produced in EU manufacturing plants the same as the UK has done? It's a yes/no question, and it's fine if you want to refuse to answer it, but everyone knows why you are refusing to answer it.

On what basis would they block deliveries to the uk?

mick087 · 11-03-2021 12:16AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

So you want us to get an unapproved vaccine?
Thanks, but no thanks.

I would take this vaccine if i was offered.

If you don't wish to take it that is absolutely fine.

nocoverart · 11-03-2021 12:22AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

We're not banking on the vaccines working well, we know they work well

I admire your patience in responding to all this false information in here on a daily basis. At the end of the day this virus has shown every country up for its “Achilles Heel” and Ireland’s Achilles heel has, is and always will be drowning in despair. We’re miserable fookers and no vaccine will change that.

Danzy · 11-03-2021 12:37AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see the USA vaccinating 2.15 milion a day the last 7 days.

They are eager. Others aren't.

Danzy · 11-03-2021 12:38AM

jackryan34 wrote: »

With that knowledge

How do you see Winter 21/22 going with 3 million adults vaccinated here and no restrictions? The other 2 million of the population in Ireland are children, pregnant women, allergies, anti vaxxers btw, i'm assuming pregnant women and children won't have a vac available to them

Can you use that knowledge to have an educated guess on hospitalisatons, cases per day, deaths etc

I'd like to see your projections of what a working well vaccine can do

Certainly not high enough to warrant another lockdown or restrictions.

jackryan34 · 11-03-2021 12:43AM

Danzy wrote: »

Certainly not high enough to warrant another lockdown or restrictions.

I know its an ask

But we had all these models showing us what would happen without restrictions when we had no vaccine.

Now we have a vaccine and we know they work

I'd like to see a real world model of how it looks with no restrictions, 60% of population vaccinated and winter conditions

Has anyone seen such a model?

Not a Utopian model with 100% of people vaccinated

A real world that includes anti vaxxers, kids, pregnant women etc

I think 60% total population vaccinated is very realistic for us this winter 21/22

Micky 32 · 11-03-2021 12:43AM

Danzy wrote: »

Certainly not high enough to warrant another lockdown or restrictions.

The poster fails to realise or understand ( or is just trolling)that the ones that will be vaccinated are the ones that the lockdown/restrictions were for.

Danzy · 11-03-2021 12:45AM

jackryan34 wrote: »

I know its an ask

But we had all these models showing us what would happen without restrictions when we had no vaccine.

Now we have a vaccine and we know they work

I'd like to see a real world model of how it looks with no restrictions, 60% of population vaccinated and winter conditions

Has anyone seen such a model?

Not a Utopian model with 100% of people vaccinated

A real world that includes anti vaxxers, kids, pregnant women etc

I think 60% total population vaccinated is very realistic for us this winter 21/22

Think it is realistic,

jackryan34 · 11-03-2021 12:48AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

The poster fails to realise or understand ( or is just trolling)that the ones that will be vaccinated are the ones that the lockdown/restrictions were for.

Micky no offence but this might be too advanced for you.

Will be alot of maths, probabilities of two events occurring, p (a and b )calculations, compound probabilities, its a difficult question

Might be better if you sit this one out

Thanks

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