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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #4562
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    600 / 15278 swabs, 3.93%

    7-day now down to 3.69%

    That's a really good result. Really consistent drop week-to-week.


  • #4563
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    Russman wrote: »
    I agree with the sentiment, but if a limit for something was 200 for 7 days in a row, (whatever it may be, cases, hospitalisations etc) and we're at 202 - do we open ? If yes, then what about 210 ? 215 ? The metrics have to be seen in context rather than just in isolation I think.

    It would nice to have some metrics though


  • #4564
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Whatever about when they decide to ease some restrictions in April and the time to the next easing. The communication needs to be in sync

    Varadkar is already giving different information

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1369668190335365120?s=19


  • #4565
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,342 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    marno21 wrote: »
    600 swabs at 3.93% positivity rate.

    Last Wednesday was 673 at 4.41%. Slow slow prorgess.

    A half a % positivity drop on the traditional busiest day of the week is not " slow slow progress"

    We could have a sub 3.5% 7 day positivity by the weekend.


  • #4566
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Russman wrote: »
    I agree with the sentiment, but if a limit for something was 200 for 7 days in a row, (whatever it may be, cases, hospitalisations etc) and we're at 202 - do we open ? If yes, then what about 210 ? 215 ? The metrics have to be seen in context rather than just in isolation I think.

    Here in Switzerland the criteria are strict for the next phase of opening on March 29

    Postivity rate for tests must be below 5%
    Occupancy of ICU beds must be below 25%
    14 day incidence rate must not be higher than March 1st

    If they arent strictly reached, the next phase does not occur


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  • #4567
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    kilns wrote: »
    Here in Switzerland the criteria are strict for the next phase of opening on March 29

    Postivity rate for tests must be below 5%
    Occupancy of ICU beds must be below 25%
    14 day incidence rate must not be higher than March 1st

    If they arent strictly reached, the next phase does not occur

    Something like that is what i was proposing


  • #4568
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Vicxas wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/varadkar-restrictions-5-april-5377484-Mar2021/

    Christ sake...
    timmyntc wrote: »
    Mind boggling stuff - it really is.

    Last year with no vaccines and a spike in March/April, and we still managed to reopen in ~3-4 months.
    This year, with a spike in January, a vaccination program, and construction closed also - and it looks like we might not be reopening for 5 months+???


    Imagine what would happen if there were no vaccines - lockdown the country for 6 months out of every year for the forseeable future?
    Pathetic leadership in government. Absolutely pathetic.


    Another 3 weeks of this before JUST talking about construction, the five-kilometre rule and allowing more activities outdoors? As other poster said, we seemed to have more tolerance for living with covid last year, when there was nothing else and BEFORE we had the current drop in numbers, which is now accompanied by vaccines.


  • #4569
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    seamus wrote: »
    600 / 15278 swabs, 3.93%

    7-day now down to 3.69%

    That's a really good result. Really consistent drop week-to-week.

    Good stuff for a Wednesday with a good number of tests.

    GP data also not showing anything out of the ordinary for referrals. Looking good


  • #4570
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    marno21 wrote: »
    600 swabs at 3.93% positivity rate.

    Last Wednesday was 673 at 4.41%. Slow slow prorgess.

    11% drop in postivity rate week on week.

    Not slow slow at all.


  • #4571
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,342 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Whatever about when they decide to ease some restrictions in April and the time to the next easing. The communication needs to be in sync

    Varadkar is already giving different information

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1369668190335365120?s=19

    I'm working off the assumption that they'll meet on the first Tuesday in May, agree on what's happening and it'll be implemented from the following Tuesday, which would be 5 weeks after the 6th, but possibly 4 weeks after April lifting of restrictions.

    But yeah a timeline would be nice.


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  • #4572
    Ferris_Bueller
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,683 ✭✭✭Ferris_Bueller


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    If they're using 6 weeks from Easter to Mid May you can be sure they'll use 6 weeks from Mid May to the End of June

    Conveniently synching with the end of Q2

    They're really giving nothing to look forward to at all

    That's exactly what they are doing. By the end of June the schools will be off for summer so I bet they are thinking of waiting until then to have any sort of decent opening up.

    Six weeks is ridiculous. If they don't go to Level 4 on April 5th, which is very plausible, that means we will be in level 5 until mid May, and probably Level 4 until the end of June.

    If they insist on going with 6 week blocks before reviewing restrictions, and presuming they only go up one level at a time, it could be August before they say we can leave our county.


  • #4573
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭Russman


    kilns wrote: »
    Here in Switzerland the criteria are strict for the next phase of opening on March 29

    Postivity rate for tests must be below 5%
    Occupancy of ICU beds must be below 25%
    14 day incidence rate must not be higher than March 1st

    If they arent strictly reached, the next phase does not occur

    I've no issue with that, but we have to factor in the bit of Irish "sure it'll be grand" mentality, if a metric is almost reached but not quite.


  • #4574
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    Russman wrote: »
    I've no issue with that, but we have to factor in the bit of Irish "sure it'll be grand" mentality, if a metric is almost reached but not quite.

    Yes Swiss and Irish mentalities are very different


  • #4575
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,055 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Load of bs about being led by data and not dates then again.


  • #4576
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    kilns wrote: »
    As an Irish person living in Switzerland, is Ireland trying to stay in lockdown at level 5 to protect the fragile health system?

    This is exactly it.

    And they have had a year to bolster it but that would take hard work and planning. So we can just go Fu*k ourselves, basically.


  • #4577
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,080 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Whatever about when they decide to ease some restrictions in April and the time to the next easing. The communication needs to be in sync

    Varadkar is already giving different information

    https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1369668190335365120?s=19

    They haven't learnt anything

    Different communication again

    How hard is it to agree a way forward within government?


  • #4578
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Ferris_Bueller wrote: »
    That's exactly what they are doing. By the end of June the schools will be off for summer so I bet they are thinking of waiting until then to have any sort of decent opening up.

    Six weeks is ridiculous. If they don't go to Level 4 on April 5th, which is very plausible, that means we will be in level 5 until mid May, and probably Level 4 until the end of June.

    If they insist on going with 6 week blocks before reviewing restrictions, and presuming they only go up one level at a time, it could be August before they say we can leave our county.

    Nobody is going to obey that. Time to get onto TD's, they've had way to easy a time locking down, hiding behind NPHET, vilifying people and groups on social media 'videos'. Not good enough.


  • #4579
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,532 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    seamus wrote: »
    600 / 15278 swabs, 3.93%

    7-day now down to 3.69%

    That's a really good result. Really consistent drop week-to-week.

    Previous 7 day average of swabs: 513.
    Week previous: 644
    Drop of ~20%


  • #4580
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    They haven't learnt anything

    Different communication again

    How hard is it to agree a way forward within government?

    I'd imagine it's deliberate from Leo, trying to look like the guy who wants quicker easing. He does this every time. I'm just surprised people keep falling for it.


  • #4581
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    The 6 weeks between reviews is such a cowardly ploy just so they don't have to justify their actions or more so their non-actions on a more regular basis. Easier fo rthem to drag it out into the summer this way.


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  • #4582
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Previous 7 day average of swabs: 513.
    Week previous: 644
    Drop of ~20%

    But sure what f**king difference does it make? We're going to be sub 100 cases a day and still locked down for weeks and weeks.

    The weakness of this leadership and their fear of making decisions is absolutely pathetic.


  • #4583
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    The last few days have been disappointing tbh.

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1369674689015123977


  • #4584
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    People need to stop getting worked up about rumours and throwaway comments.

    On the current figures, there is zero chance that we won't move to level 4 after Easter.

    Based on NPHET's system:
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1369589314309529604?s=20

    There are questions about what is the "most vulnerable". However the "most" word there explicitly we're not waiting for all vulnerable, just the highest-risk.

    Fergal seems to think that's groups 3 & 4.

    Group 3 won't be fully covered until mid-May, but the government know that people won't accept heavy restrictions until then. So we won't see a move to level 3 before Group 3 and 4 are covered by at least one dose, but we could see a move to level 3 shortly after. That's mid-April at the earliest.

    Most likely, along with the plan for level 4 from 5th April, they will likely also outline the plan to further ease restrictions through April (such as lifting the 5km, outdoor group sports, funerals, weddings), and a full formal move to level 3 in early May.

    They know people won't accept being told that it's level 4 in April and no change for six weeks. What has been reported is that "Taoiseach tells Dáil review of Level 5, ahead of April 5, will outline "the best way forward" for the following six weeks."

    So it's not "level 4 for 6 weeks", it's "6 week plan from the start of April".


  • #4585
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    The last government (up to July) was very cautious also. We were the slowest in Europe at opening up (by some distance). The only difference now is that Leo is doing a clever job of positioning FG as the party who want to open up, and FF are stopping them. I prefer to judge by actions rather than words or spin.
    They were but they had a map and dates for changes, which happened. There is no sign of that at present and this one looks like being a whole lot longer. It's a case of waiting to see what version of the message is actually true. Leo is perhaps a bit casual but Martin is especially bad at these rally the troops speeches. I think he should stick to the "brilliant" vaccine news until he actually has something to say.


  • #4586
    Riodej1578
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭Riodej1578


    Predictions for today?


  • #4587
    Monster249
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Monster249


    seamus wrote: »
    People need to stop getting worked up about rumours and throwaway comments.

    On the current figures, there is zero chance that we won't move to level 4 after Easter.

    Based on NPHET's system:
    https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1369589314309529604?s=20

    There are questions about what is the "most vulnerable". However the "most" word there explicitly we're not waiting for all vulnerable, just the highest-risk.

    Fergal seems to think that's groups 3 & 4.

    Group 3 won't be fully covered until mid-May, but the government know that people won't accept heavy restrictions until then. So we will most likely see a move to level 3 at the point that Group 3 and 4 are covered by at least one dose. That's mid-May at the earliest.

    Most likely, along with the plan for level 4 from 5th April, they will likely also outline the plan to further ease restrictions through April (such as lifting the 5km, outdoor group sports, funerals, weddings), and a full formal move to level 3 in early May.

    They know people won't accept being told that it's level 4 in April and no change for six weeks. What has been reported is that "Taoiseach tells Dáil review of Level 5, ahead of April 5, will outline "the best way forward" for the following six weeks."

    So it's not "level 4 for 6 weeks", it's "6 week plan from the start of April".

    The experience our government has afforded us to date doesn't inspire any sort of hope or positivity. They shouldn't be making throwaway comments in the first place, we're talking about the leaders of the country here? What an absolute mockery.

    Nothing would surprise me, they've proven themselves to be a bunch of weak, pathetic individuals with no spine.


  • #4588
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Riodej1578 wrote: »
    Predictions for today?
    Your post will be deleted!


  • #4589
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Riodej1578 wrote: »
    Predictions for today?


    Liverpool and PSG to go through.


  • #4590
    Riodej1578
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 74 ✭✭Riodej1578


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    Nobody is going to obey that. Time to get onto TD's, they've had way to easy a time locking down, hiding behind NPHET, vilifying people and groups on social media 'videos'. Not good enough.

    Will getting onto a local TD make any difference?


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  • #4591
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Riodej1578 wrote: »
    Will getting onto a local TD make any difference?
    Probably not, quite a few of them want more restrictions! Public health is very large fig leaf.


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