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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #4532
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    The ****ing jokers are YET AGAIN using a lockdown because they have nothing else... just a ****ed up vaccine rollout.

    This is dreadful and people should take to the streets in April, it simply should not be this way longer than April.


  • #4533
    cjyid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 103 ✭✭cjyid


    Jeez if they had their way we'd be in lock down until every single human in the world is vaccinated.

    Pretty disgraceful they won't be lifting pretty much anything come April.

    Although the weather will be better again by April, so people will flood outside and so they should.

    Fcuk them.


  • #4534
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Leo’s gone very quiet. No good news to leak


  • #4535
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    AdamD wrote: »
    We're now looking at no changes of note being discussed for another 11 weeks, 9 weeks into our current level 5 lockdown. That's utterly mental

    they're just blaming astra delays, well good luck to them, nobody goes out in the cold dead of winter...good luck keeping people in beyond April especially if last Aprils weather comes again..

    You'd be amazed at who this suits, incels, misanthropes, people who were not very attractive looking to begin with, the mask is a bonus :D:D:D


  • #4536
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,626 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    https://www.thejournal.ie/varadkar-restrictions-5-april-5377484-Mar2021/

    Christ sake...


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  • #4537
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Vicxas wrote: »
    https://www.thejournal.ie/varadkar-restrictions-5-april-5377484-Mar2021/

    Christ sake...

    "Modest" easing of restrictions - 6km travel limit?


  • #4538
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    UK will be allowing indoor pint sessions for groups of six the same week we propose to open shops that sell clothes, and very likely would be allowing people outside of their 5km radius but for the fact that compliance with that is dropping at such a rate that if they don't relax it on April 5th the people will do so themselves.


  • #4539
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Eod100 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1369655681737973762

    Slightly misleading.

    What he said was the week before 5th April they will make the decision as to what changes on the 5th and the path for the next 6 weeks would be set out, like they did a few weeks ago telling us what could be lifted on the 5th of April.

    From the week before the 5th plus 6 weeks would bring you into 10th May, thats pretty much the timeline most people expected for the next set of easing.

    Did people expect a quicker reopening?? Its been pretty well flagged, a few things change early April, things go well another change in May.

    Don't get me wrong it's annoying but this isn't something new.


  • #4540
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    If they're using 6 weeks from Easter to Mid May you can be sure they'll use 6 weeks from Mid May to the End of June

    Conveniently synching with the end of Q2

    They're really giving nothing to look forward to at all
    Again it's just copying the UK with their minimum of 5 weeks between phases. By mid-May they'll have lost a lot of people anyway. It is also that messaging thing that Martin just can't grasp, especially when May should signal the end of the vulnerable groups.


  • #4541
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    So that's 5th of April to 17th of May with no further easing of restrictions bar construction which should never have been closed in the first place, possibly a 5km change (we'll see what NPHET has to say about goign to countywide travel) and maybe meeting up outddors

    Very hard to see teams sports being back

    So very little for 5 1/2 months of restrictions


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  • #4542
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    marno21 wrote: »
    UK will be allowing indoor pint sessions for groups of six the same week we propose to open shops that sell clothes, and very likely would be allowing people outside of their 5km radius but for the fact that compliance with that is dropping at such a rate that if they don't relax it on April 5th the people will do so themselves.

    If the UK sticks to the dates they've planned I'd be shocked to be perfectly honest


  • #4543
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    So that's 5th of April to 17th of May with no further easing of restrictions bar construction which should never have been closed in the first place, possibly a 5km change (we'll see what NPHET has to say about goign to countywide travel) and maybe meeting up outddors

    Very hard to see teams sports being back

    So very little for 5 1/2 months of restrictions

    MM said yesterday outdoor sports was an aim for April 5th . Now no mention of it .


  • #4544
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Mind boggling stuff - it really is.

    Last year with no vaccines and a spike in March/April, and we still managed to reopen in ~3-4 months.
    This year, with a spike in January, a vaccination program, and construction closed also - and it looks like we might not be reopening for 5 months+???


    Imagine what would happen if there were no vaccines - lockdown the country for 6 months out of every year for the forseeable future?
    Pathetic leadership in government. Absolutely pathetic.


  • #4545
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,273 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Slightly misleading.

    What he said was the week before 5th April they will make the decision as to what changes on the 5th and the path for the next 6 weeks would be set out, like they did a few weeks ago telling us what could be lifted on the 5th of April.

    From the week before the 5th plus 6 weeks would bring you into 10th May, thats pretty much the timeline most people expected for the next set of easing.

    Did people expect a quicker reopening?? Its been pretty well flagged, a few things change early April, things go well another change in May.

    Yeah that was my reading of it too from previous extensions that announcement would be ahead of 5th so 6 weeks would include time up to 5th anyway.

    No, not at all. Thats what they have been flagging all along but highlights the current thinking albeit consistent.


  • #4546
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    So that's 5th of April to 17th of May with no further easing of restrictions bar construction which should never have been closed in the first place, possibly a 5km change (we'll see what NPHET has to say about goign to countywide travel) and maybe meeting up outddors

    Very hard to see teams sports being back

    So very little for 5 1/2 months of restrictions

    I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised. This time they were transparent on what the plan is (not on why) - in April look into opening construction, lifting the 5k limit and in the best case look into allowing some form of no contact outdoor sport (golf, tennis).

    That's basically level 4+ (level 4 plus no outdoor dining) by the way. A few less limits on gatherings but that's it.


  • #4547
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Slightly misleading.

    What he said was the week before 5th April they will make the decision as to what changes on the 5th and the path for the next 6 weeks would be set out, like they did a few weeks ago telling us what could be lifted on the 5th of April.

    From the week before the 5th plus 6 weeks would bring you into 10th May, thats pretty much the timeline most people expected for the next set of easing.

    Did people expect a quicker reopening?? Its been pretty well flagged, a few things change early April, things go well another change in May.
    What will make it a lot more difficult for them to control is the continuing overall decline in cases and numbers in hospitals. As we stand they will be empty of COVID patients in about 4 weeks.


  • #4548
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,464 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    is_that_so wrote: »
    What will make it a lot more difficult for them to control is the continuing overall decline in cases and numbers in hospitals. As we stand they will be empty of COVID patients in about 4 weeks.

    I agree if cases, hospitalisation etc are all really low in let's say end of April start of May then there'll be massive pressure both internally in Gov and from external for a little more wiggle room.

    It's easier to say 6 weeks and open more up in say 4 if things go well & everything looks good than the reverse.


  • #4549
    shamco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 273 ✭✭shamco


    They need to set targets at this stage to give people some hope. For instance if hospitalisations go below a certain number and similarly with ICU levels and cases. All this vague stuff is driving people nuts. They say they will be guided by the data so let us know the data limits are.


  • #4550
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Mind boggling stuff - it really is.

    Last year with no vaccines and a spike in March/April, and we still managed to reopen in ~3-4 months.
    This year, with a spike in January, a vaccination program, and construction closed also - and it looks like we might not be reopening for 5 months+???


    Imagine what would happen if there were no vaccines - lockdown the country for 6 months out of every year for the forseeable future?
    Pathetic leadership in government. Absolutely pathetic.
    It's the difference in Taoiseach. The last government did want to live with COVID, the FF part of this one doesn't really want to until COVID is not quite zero! There's also the difference in our attitude. Last year we took it all seriously, now there's building frustration and more inclination to just be more casual about restrictions.


  • #4551
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    So that's 5th of April to 17th of May with no further easing of restrictions bar construction which should never have been closed in the first place, possibly a 5km change (we'll see what NPHET has to say about goign to countywide travel) and maybe meeting up outddors

    Very hard to see teams sports being back

    So very little for 5 1/2 months of restrictions

    Individual group sports such as golf and tennis will be back for sure by the 5th. Hard to know what else


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  • #4552
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,343 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    timmyntc wrote: »
    Mind boggling stuff - it really is.

    Last year with no vaccines and a spike in March/April, and we still managed to reopen in ~3-4 months.
    This year, with a spike in January, a vaccination program, and construction closed also - and it looks like we might not be reopening for 5 months+???


    Imagine what would happen if there were no vaccines - lockdown the country for 6 months out of every year for the forseeable future?
    Pathetic leadership in government. Absolutely pathetic.

    If we're comparing to last year, remember that a lot of restrictions were ended earlier than planned and phase 3 and 4 were consolidated.

    No reason the same thing can't happen this go round as well.


  • #4553
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    is_that_so wrote: »
    What will make it a lot more difficult for them to control is the continuing overall decline in cases and numbers in hospitals. As we stand they will be empty of COVID patients in about 4 weeks.

    Our hospitals coped with over 2000 Covid patients . In 4 weeks our most vulnerable will be vaccinated

    Even if we went straight to level 3 our hospitals could easily cope

    Level 3 in the past actually brought about a decline in cases

    As an aside i dont know why FF are being so cautious. Like Boris across the water getting out of Covid restrictions was the only political play they had to remain in power .


  • #4554
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,649 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    If we're comparing to last year, remember that a lot of restrictions were ended earlier than planned and phase 3 and 4 were consolidated.

    No reason the same thing can't happen this go round as well.

    Yet unlike last year, this year they have provided no dates for lifting of each sector. And now they are actually talking about pushing the dates back, not forward!

    We are in an infinitely better situation last year, but the government have actually regressed in their response! - they have less of a plan than they did first time round:confused:


  • #4555
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's the difference in Taoiseach. The last government did want to live with COVID, the FF part of this one doesn't really want to until COVID is not quite zero! There's also the difference in our attitude. Last years we took it all seriously, now there's building frustration and more inclination to just be more casual about restrictions.

    The last government (up to July) was very cautious also. We were the slowest in Europe at opening up (by some distance). The only difference now is that Leo is doing a clever job of positioning FG as the party who want to open up, and FF are stopping them. I prefer to judge by actions rather than words or spin.


  • #4556
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    May bank holiday hold tough.then June,then august,then get schools open in September etc etc.time to write off 2021


  • #4557
    kilns
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,525 ✭✭✭kilns


    As an Irish person living in Switzerland, is Ireland trying to stay in lockdown at level 5 to protect the fragile health system?

    Thats the only thing I can think of because otherwise its crazy, Ireland is well below the EU average per 100,000 14 day rate

    Here we are much lower than Ireland and the schools have never closed, the ski resorts never closed and now all shops are open including Zoos etc


  • #4558
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,993 ✭✭✭Russman


    shamco wrote: »
    They need to set targets at this stage to give people some hope. For instance if hospitalisations go below a certain number and similarly with ICU levels and cases. All this vague stuff is driving people nuts. They say they will be guided by the data so let us know the data limits are.

    I agree with the sentiment, but if a limit for something was 200 for 7 days in a row, (whatever it may be, cases, hospitalisations etc) and we're at 202 - do we open ? If yes, then what about 210 ? 215 ? The metrics have to be seen in context rather than just in isolation I think.


  • #4559
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,699 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    600 swabs at 3.93% positivity rate.

    Last Wednesday was 673 at 4.41%. Slow slow prorgess.


  • #4560
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    600 swabs
    3.93% + Rate

    usual Wednesday bump


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  • #4561
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,183 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Regardless of what restrictions that still remain in effect, I can see them being loosely followed.

    I moved house just before Christmas and we had lots of different services postponed without any rescheduled dates. And over the past 2 weeks the kitchen fitters, stove installer, painter, landscaper, flooring company, door company and blinds fitters have been on looking to out. Stove went in last week and door and blinds this week. The rest have sates starting from next week. We'll stay out of the house during the work.

    Neighbors on both sides are Gardai and there had been nobody visiting at all up until recently. Now it looks like there are people there every other night. Don't know anyone who can't get hair or beauty treatments done through whatsapp and there are gyms open behind closed doors. Shops and that can't overtly open their doors. But from my experiences recently, people that can provide services without the need for people walking into their business are finding a way to do so.


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