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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

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  • #722
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    pixelburp wrote: »
    It says a lot about how fast the "Consumer Society" moves that a mere calendar year is enough to cause ructions in those paying for product placement. Given the year just past I"d not have thought there was that much new and shiny in the world of tech anyway, but there you go.

    it was originally due out in Nov 2019 and shooting started as long ago as April 2019.


  • #723
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,514 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    It could be particular phone models, laptops and cars .
    All date pretty quickly.


  • #724
    pixelburp
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    it was originally due out in Nov 2019 and shooting started as long ago as April 2019.

    Fair point. I guess it's just surreal how wedded to product placement the series has become, that it's the only blockbuster I've read where reshoots have been because the gadget fashions are too outdated.

    Not that product placement is ever subtle, but I hope the replacements aren't too egregious; a big green-screen Nokia floating in Bond's hand or something :D


  • #725
    CastorTroy
    Registered Users Posts: 28,786 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Maybe they had to have him make a TikTok video.

    Makes me think of this
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_KDeKut2uA


  • #726
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Has this be on RTE yet?


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  • #727
    peteeeed
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    release date moved to sept 30th


  • #728
    Atlantic Dawn
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    Die Another Day was on tonight, it's the worst Bond movie ever made, complete and utter trash, I recall nearly walking out of the cinema after seeing it. It's the line where the franchise descended in to utter and complete sheite, the tech on the franchise was always a tad farfetched but this film was clearly made by idiots with no experience whatsoever of where the line should be drawn between potentially possible and impossible tech, an invisible car, a cgi windsurfing scene, we then had Daniel Craig up next with complete non tech Bond trying to sell it to a post Jason Bourne woke crowd, utter trash, we are now gradually returning to where Bond should be, hopefully No Time To Die doesn't disappoint.


  • #729
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I remember seeing this in the cinema and seeing a scene of Bond skiing downhill with CGI rivaling the Super Nintendo


  • #730
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Die Another Day was on tonight, it's the worst Bond movie ever made, complete and utter trash, I recall nearly walking out of the cinema after seeing it. It's the line where the franchise descended in to utter and complete sheite, the tech on the franchise was always a tad farfetched but this film was clearly made by idiots with no experience whatsoever of where the line should be drawn between potentially possible and impossible tech, an invisible car, a cgi windsurfing scene, we then had Daniel Craig up next with complete non tech Bond trying to sell it to a post Jason Bourne woke crowd, utter trash, we are now gradually returning to where Bond should be, hopefully No Time To Die doesn't disappoint.

    Usually it's easy to tell what someone is referring to when they complain about "wokeness" in a film but I'm genuinely at a loss as what you perceived as "woke" in Casino Royale, generally regarded as one of the best Bond films that took the character back to basics.


  • #731
    Atlantic Dawn
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    FunLover18 wrote: »
    Usually it's easy to tell what someone is referring to when they complain about "wokeness" in a film but I'm genuinely at a loss as what you perceived as "woke" in Casino Royale, generally regarded as one of the best Bond films that took the character back to basics.


    Casino Royale would bring it back to pre Goldfinger for non tech, it was off the wall as script, completely chasing the Bourne Identity fanbase.


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  • #732
    flasher0030
    Registered Users Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Casino Royale would bring it back to pre Goldfinger for non tech, it was off the wall as script, completely chasing the Bourne Identity fanbase.

    Casino Royale saved the Bond merchandise.
    Great film. Watched it again recently.


  • #733
    pixelburp
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Casino Royale would bring it back to pre Goldfinger for non tech, it was off the wall as script, completely chasing the Bourne Identity fanbase.

    Still doesn't explain what was "woke" about Casino Royale - or Bourne for that matter. The latter practically predates the whole wokeness paranoia being as it was a 2002 film :confused:


  • #734
    OU812
    Registered Users Posts: 6,034 ✭✭✭OU812


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Die Another Day was on tonight, it's the worst Bond movie ever made, complete and utter trash, I recall nearly walking out of the cinema after seeing it. It's the line where the franchise descended in to utter and complete sheite, the tech on the franchise was always a tad farfetched but this film was clearly made by idiots with no experience whatsoever of where the line should be drawn between potentially possible and impossible tech, an invisible car, a cgi windsurfing scene, we then had Daniel Craig up next with complete non tech Bond trying to sell it to a post Jason Bourne woke crowd, utter trash, we are now gradually returning to where Bond should be, hopefully No Time To Die doesn't disappoint.


    An invisible car existed just 10 years later in 2012.

    https://www.theverge.com/2012/3/5/2845878/mercedes-f-cell-invisible-car-video

    The tech isn’t that far fetched.


  • #735
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Vesper is a great Bond girl, an actual character with great lines and agency instead of just a pin-up who provides reaction shots during the action scenes until she can **** him in a boat. I don't really see how anyone could object to her as a 'woke' decision. Halle Berry's character in Die Another Day is actual lazy pseudofeminist writing, as is Pam Bouvier in Licence to Kill for example, but Vesper and her role in Casino Royale is a bloody treasure and Bond as a franchise is far the better for that movie. And if he's not referring to Vesper, his grasp on the meaning of woke is even more tenuous than I suspected.


  • #736
    johnny_ultimate
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    flasher0030 wrote: »
    Casino Royale saved the Bond merchandise.

    This is either an incredibly apt typo or an entirely accurate, scathing critique :pac:


  • #737
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,514 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    pixelburp wrote: »
    Still doesn't explain what was "woke" about Casino Royale - or Bourne for that matter. The latter practically predates the whole wokeness paranoia being as it was a 2002 film :confused:

    I certainly wouldnt regard either Casino Royale or the Bourne Trilogy as being in any way woke.

    I caught a bit Die Another Day last night, the first half of the film was decent enough, but the second half was poor.
    The sword fighting scene was utterly ludicrous and from there on it deteriorates.


  • #738
    flasher0030
    Registered Users Posts: 2,470 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    This is either an incredibly apt typo or an entirely accurate, scathing critique :pac:


    :D:D:D

    Sorry. I meant franchise.


  • #739
    Dades
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    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Casino Royale would bring it back to pre Goldfinger for non tech, it was off the wall as script, completely chasing the Bourne Identity fanbase.
    They definitely took cues from Bourne when they rebooted. But Casino Royale is brilliant so it doesn't matter. The later Craig movies have been hit and miss to say the least.

    Also curious as to the wokeness!


  • #740
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    The thing about DAD, is the plot is fine as Bond films go, it's got a decent villain, a good opening sequence, and I quite like the finale on the disintegrating plane (preposterous as it is). But all anyone remembers is the invisible car, and that terrible kite-surfing scene. And Madonna, both her crappy acting and her crappy theme song. John Cleese was poor choice for Q as well.


  • #741
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    loyatemu wrote: »
    John Cleese was poor choice for Q as well.
    R.

    Yes, he was. The new guy is fine, but I miss Llewellyn's avuncular presence.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIiWqow7zzk


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  • #742
    ManOfMystery
    Registered Users Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭ManOfMystery


    loyatemu wrote: »
    The thing about DAD, is the plot is fine as Bond films go, it's got a decent villain, a good opening sequence, and I quite like the finale on the disintegrating plane (preposterous as it is). But all anyone remembers is the invisible car, and that terrible kite-surfing scene. And Madonna, both her crappy acting and her crappy theme song. John Cleese was poor choice for Q as well.

    It had its good moments, but the they were sadly outweighed by the cheese.

    Bond films have always treaded a very thin line in terms of the balance between the serious (world threatened, multiple deaths, the toll his work takes on him, etc) and the ridiculous (the gadgets, some of the stunts, the OTT villains).

    And occasionally they have gone a little too far in one direction (Roger Moore's films definitely had a more humorous angle) or the other (Casino Royale - as fantastic as it was - was also criticised by some purists for backing away too much from the gadgets and occasional humour of Bond films).

    Brosnan's films came out at a time when they were competing with the likes of the Matrix, Mission Impossible, Ronin, etc. And to compensate, they went totally OTT with the gadgets, the cheesy one-liners, and the unbelievable stunt pieces.

    It's a shame - I felt Brosnan was an absolutely brilliant choice for Bond as he had the look, the charm/suavity, and the physicality. I'd loved to have seen him in a more gritty take on the films like Casino Royale. I think that's why Henry Cavill ticks a lot of 007 boxes, in a way he has a lot of the attributes Brosnan had.


  • #743
    pixelburp
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    The thing about DAD, is the plot is fine as Bond films go, it's got a decent villain, a good opening sequence, and I quite like the finale on the disintegrating plane (preposterous as it is). But all anyone remembers is the invisible car, and that terrible kite-surfing scene. And Madonna, both her crappy acting and her crappy theme song. John Cleese was poor choice for Q as well.

    Eh; Die Another Day was still a poor movie all the same. Though I think Die Another Day and Skyfall are interesting to watch because both came out as "Anniversary" features, with wildly differing approaches to each landmark. One was a trainwreck, the other probably the franchise's most overtly "prestige" picture.

    Die Another Day almost drowned under the excess of nods and lazy winks towards the franchise history, the constant Fan Service probably made writing a coherent script difficult to begin with. While Skyfall kept the nods to a minimum, instead pitching itself as an arguable Final Story, creating a satisfying thematic arc for Bond, M and the whole idea of "For Queen and Country". It never swallowed up the superficial thrills if that was what the viewer was here for, mind.


  • #744
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    mikhail wrote: »
    R.

    that was a joke from the previous film where he was Llewllyns's assistant, he was Q in DAD.


  • #745
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users Posts: 19,145 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I still want to know where the "wokeness" was in Casino Royale!


  • #746
    loyatemu
    Registered Users Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭loyatemu


    ManOfMystery wrote: »

    It's a shame - I felt Brosnan was an absolutely brilliant choice for Bond as he had the look, the charm/suavity, and the physicality. I'd loved to have seen him in a more gritty take on the films like Casino Royale. I think that's why Henry Cavill ticks a lot of 007 boxes, in a way he has a lot of the attributes Brosnan had.

    I watched The World is Not Enough over the weekend and it's still pretty good, 2nd best of Brosnan's run, and a reasonably balance between the serious and the silly (though it also features an annoying turn by Cleese).


  • #747
    Dades
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    ManOfMystery wrote: »
    It's a shame - I felt Brosnan was an absolutely brilliant choice for Bond as he had the look, the charm/suavity, and the physicality. I'd loved to have seen him in a more gritty take on the films like Casino Royale. I think that's why Henry Cavill ticks a lot of 007 boxes, in a way he has a lot of the attributes Brosnan had.
    Pierce had his moment. It started really well but diminished every movie. Seems to be a common theme with each Bond.

    We've had gritty now - Spectre was grim.
    If anything I'd prefer Henry Cavill channel his Man From UNCLE and bring back the charm.


    On topic.... I don't expect NTTD to be laugh-a-minute either.
    loyatemu wrote: »
    I watched The World is Not Enough over the weekend and it's still pretty good, 2nd best of Brosnan's run, and a reasonably balance between the serious and the silly (though it also features an annoying turn by Cleese).
    Biggest problem with that is Denise Richards is less believable as a nuclear scientist than an invisible car. And Bond's hairdresser BMW.


  • #748
    FunLover18
    Registered Users Posts: 6,793 ✭✭✭FunLover18


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I still want to know where the "wokeness" was in Casino Royale!

    Or in the Bourne movies.


  • #749
    CastorTroy
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I still want to know where the "wokeness" was in Casino Royale!

    Maybe the scene of Bond in the chair is considered symbolism for feminism?


  • #750
    mikhail
    Registered Users Posts: 3,863 ✭✭✭mikhail


    CastorTroy wrote: »
    Maybe the scene of Bond in the chair is considered symbolism for feminism?
    Maybe Le Chiffre frequently bleeding without injury is a symbol of menstruation? :confused:;)


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  • #751
    pixelburp
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    At this stage, "woke" doesn't even mean anything anymore, just "things wot I don't like", usually revolving a degree of taste for women in stories with personal agency of their own.

    I don't watch Bond expecting deep and meaningful personal arcs, just before folks go "it's just Bond blah blah", but the Craig films at least tried to recognise its female characters didn't need to only idiot blondes acting as trophies with tits. Well, with the glaring exception of Skyfall and Bond's sneak attack in the shower on a sexual abuse victim. Yeesh.


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