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No Time to Die **Spoilers from post #1449 onward**

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  • No one's saying copy it slavishly, but theres ideas worth exploring.

    I like the Craig era but it definitely is missing some things that made it bond and different to just another thriller/action franchise.




  • Part of the problem with Bond now? There's simply no compelling antagonists that work as effectively as Russia and the Cold War did in the franchise's heyday. Now, they're flimsy tech bros gone mad, or some limp Illuminati esque blather. The world, as much as it seems to be coming apart, doesn't have the same obvious factions as the Cold War caused. It wasn't great for peace in the world, but made for good stories and great material for espionage tales of war in the shadows.




  • I'd like to see a villain who doesn't have some personal beef with Bond or M or whatever. Just some loony, out to take over the world and Bond gets assigned the case.




  • Exactly.

    New Bond villains used to popup with regularity. From drug dealers to rebooting the human race in space. Enough with the baddiverse.


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  • I’d like to see Bond go to the likes of Apple (preferably) Netflix, Prime or HBO. A series like Jack Ryan. With the occasional cinema outing for bigger event missions.

    Something like the Ryan series would give scope for the actual mission to be longer with more action/adventure along the way. Perfect outlet for it.




  • pixelburp wrote: »
    Part of the problem with Bond now? There's simply no compelling antagonists that work as effectively as Russia and the Cold War did in the franchise's heyday. Now, they're flimsy tech bros gone mad, or some limp Illuminati esque blather. The world, as much as it seems to be coming apart, doesn't have the same obvious factions as the Cold War caused. It wasn't great for peace in the world, but made for good stories and great material for espionage tales of war in the shadows.

    How about Bond Versus ISIS




  • How about Bond Versus ISIS
    A bit too gritty and close to home politically. Jack Ryan did it great but he's CIA. Bond kills for Her Majesty!




  • Prince Harry dies snorting a bad batch of coke traced back to the Kinahans

    Bond is dispatched to cut off Daniel Kinahan's balls with a rusty razor and bleed him out.

    Tyson Fury (MTK boxing links) is lead henchman with a feral nose-biting Conor McGregor as mini-me-henchman to be dispatched along the way

    Directed by Guy Richie

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  • There's a film I'd never watch.


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  • Possible joke element in that suggestion

    it is true though that with the 24-hour news cycle and all-accessible internet that it's harder to come up with any soft of credible villain outside nation-state level bodies really and it's maybe not desirable to have the Chinese or the Russian government directly targeted in a bond movie.

    is that why they went back to pantomime in Skyfall and Spectre?

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  • I'm just thinking about the plot in Casino Royale. A money launderer gambles his clients' money on a stock shorting scheme backed up with a piece of terrorism, and when he loses Bond is dispatched to bring him in so that MI5 can leverage his weakness for information. No volcano lairs, no Russian generals, no nukes, perfectly credible. It can be done, they're just too lazy to do it.




  • mikhail wrote: »
    I'm just thinking about the plot in Casino Royale. A money launderer gambles his clients' money on a stock shorting scheme backed up with a piece of terrorism, and when he loses Bond is dispatched to bring him in so that MI5 can leverage his weakness for information. No volcano lairs, no Russian generals, no nukes, perfectly credible. It can be done, they're just too lazy to do it.

    QoS gets stick for its ridiculous plot but it was also quite grounded, a shady organization helps stages coups on exchange they get contracts for the nation's utilities supplies.

    I never got the love for Skyfall, the plot doesn't make sense. Bond's fake death and comeback is made out to be a big deal but it doesn't really have any impact, it's almost like they forgot about it. Silva's plan is basically to kill one person and he goes about it in the most convoluted way, the whole thing with the hard drive with all the agents names just sort of fizzles out. I can't even remember what Blofeld's plan in Spectre was. The problem is that Bond should never figure into the villain's plan whereas it's getting so that they revolve around him.




  • Bond origins - young 007 working for the SIS in Lisbon (a hot bed of spying during the WW2) based intrigue. No shortage of under 35ish actors who could take that role and work with it.




  • How about this?
    Given the original Bond films had Russia as the big baddie, and potential global destruction through nuclear war, how about making it properly contemporary, yet back to basics? Russians somewhere in the shadowy background, with a single egomaniac as the big baddie, throw in certain ecological destruction, but have the big baddie with the ability to trigger global destruction by a theoretically technical means? Might involve time inversion...




  • How about this?
    Given the original Bond films had Russia as the big baddie, and potential global destruction through nuclear war, how about making it properly contemporary, yet back to basics? Russians somewhere in the shadowy background, with a single egomaniac as the big baddie, throw in certain ecological destruction, but have the big baddie with the ability to trigger global destruction by a theoretically technical means? Might involve time inversion...

    sounds like something that might pop into Christopher Nolan's head whilst he was taking a sh1t.

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  • glasso wrote: »
    sounds like something that might pop into Christopher Nolan's head whilst he was taking a sh1t.
    Where there's muck, there's brass. ;)




  • Was the Russia/USSR state ever really the bad guy in any film?
    Wasn't it usually SPECTRE working with a renegade Soviet for the Connery films.

    By Roger Moore's time, General Gogol was generally working with Bond (with the exception of For Your Eyes Only) and if a Russian was a bad guy, again it was a renegade like Orlov (Octopussy).

    Dalton's first went with renegade again.




  • Was the Russia/USSR state ever really the bad guy in any film?
    Wasn't it usually SPECTRE working with a renegade Soviet for the Connery films.

    By Roger Moore's time, General Gogol was generally working with Bond (with the exception of For Your Eyes Only) and if a Russian was a bad guy, again it was a renegade like Orlov (Octopussy).

    Dalton's first went with renegade again.

    that's the thing - they don't go there directly - the Cold War usually was a connected backdrop

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  • Was the Russia/USSR state ever really the bad guy in any film?
    Wasn't it usually SPECTRE working with a renegade Soviet for the Connery films.

    By Roger Moore's time, General Gogol was generally working with Bond (with the exception of For Your Eyes Only) and if a Russian was a bad guy, again it was a renegade like Orlov (Octopussy).

    Dalton's first went with renegade again.

    the Bond movies portrayed both russia and the usa as incompetent war mongers and blighty needed to send its best to sort it all out


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  • What about bond and brexit...MI6 sends bond around europe to take out barnier and merkel to secure a better trade deal...

    Or bond vs the IRA....opening scene gets bond kneecapped and sent back to blighty with his tail between his legs...




  • On Good Friday as well




  • CastorTroy wrote: »

    Weird, they just launched an official No Time To Die podcast last week in the run up to release.




  • FunLover18 wrote: »
    Weird, they just launched an official No Time To Die podcast last week in the run up to release.

    Going to be an awkward 6 months for those guys.




  • Well Pierce is selling his gaff in Malibu for a price that is about the average budget of the Bond movies that he was in

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/pierce-brosnan-s-malibu-mansion-on-the-market-for-100-million-1.4368586

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  • It would appear that there actually *is* time to die...




  • That's cinema's fecked now. I can see them closing for good. Not all of them but a fair whack. If the releases over Xmas are put back again there will not be many cinemas around come when bond is released. Films like this are for the big screen not the TV.




  • glasso wrote: »
    Well Pierce is selling his gaff in Malibu for a price that is about the average budget of the Bond movies that he was in

    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/homes-and-property/pierce-brosnan-s-malibu-mansion-on-the-market-for-100-million-1.4368586

    Nice profit on it one way or another bought for $7.5m in 2000 and now up for sale for $100m in 2020.


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  • I see on skynews that cineworld is to close all of their UK US and Irish cinemas this wk. So that's the one in Dublin City centre gone. Leaves the lighthouse and savoy. I know they pushed bond and other films back so more people can see them but realistically there won't be anywhere to see them come April. I can now see it been released on say sky store and left over cinemas at same time. Like how much longer can odeon and Vue etc. Hold on?


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