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General Star Trek thread

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,457 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Inviere wrote: »
    .... That said, it's safe to say virtually every current Star Trek fan in existence who has been watching since childhood, didn't need a dumbed down cartoon to hook them, so I can see where some of the grievances are coming from in that regard. ....

    With the exception of DS9 I've always thought most Star Trek series have very obvious plots and simple stories. You usually predict the end and obvious "lesson" in the first 5 mins. If anything it's that which doesn't appeal to a teen audience. I dunno about "Kids". TOS is PG, DS9 and Discovery 15 the rest 12s. Lower Decks is 16+. Final Space is 12s but I think that's a bit low for that. Much of the Expanse is 16+.
    Which is why I watch then with my teens they often need context and explaining and the odd skip.

    I wouldn't let them watch Discovery. Apart from being terrible, it dwells on very mature themes laboriously. It's a dreary slog.

    So I dunno about dumbed down kids cartoon. Theres often a lot more going in modern cartoons than there was in those old TV shows.

    Never heard of Prodigy where did you see that...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Inviere


    beauf wrote: »
    So I dunno about dumbed down kids cartoon. Theres often a lot more going in modern cartoons than there was in those old TV shows.

    If it's not dumbed down, then why aim it at kids? A broader appeal would then suffice no? It's really looks its going to be a more simplistic take on things, which as I say above, if done right will be fine. If not, it's no worse than some of the modern crap they're churning out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Kate Mulgrew had a brief chat about the show online, if we're looking for some actual nuggets of info.

    https://www.cbr.com/star-trek-why-kate-mulgrew-janeaway-returns/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,457 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Inviere wrote: »
    If it's not dumbed down, then why aim it at kids? A broader appeal would then suffice no? It's really looks its going to be a more simplistic take on things, which as I say above, if done right will be fine. If not, it's no worse than some of the modern crap they're churning out.

    I don't have a link to what you are talking about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,457 ✭✭✭✭beauf


    Inviere wrote: »
    If it's not dumbed down, then why aim it at kids? A broader appeal would then suffice no? It's really looks its going to be a more simplistic take on things, which as I say above, if done right will be fine. If not, it's no worse than some of the modern crap they're churning out.

    I don't have a link to what you are talking about. I've not seen this show... It's their a trailer anywhere.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    Myrddin wrote: »
    I don't think it was two dimensional thinking really, it just looks better on screen if ships are oriented the same way as each other.

    Yeah, done mostly for aesthetic purposes, really, although some rules&regulations about travel between and inside controlled systems might explain that - don't think it's ever been mentioned on-screen 'though.

    A bit like the famous "banking fighters" in Star Wars - done because it was cool (and because they basically used WWII footage for a model), but it does also make sense in a biological way: a theorerical "space fighter" traveling at high speeds, would be artificially made to bank during turns to keep a positive g-force on the pilot; The human body tends to withstand positive g-force better than other vectors. We see this even with current tech - fighter jet pilots invert the plane if they're performing a rapid dive manoeuvre, so they can avoid excessive negative g loads.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    beauf wrote: »
    I don't have a link to what you are talking about. I've not seen this show... It's their a trailer anywhere.

    The only info thus far is the press release, that single cast picture, and news such as that Kate Mulgrew was returning to voice Janeway. Beyond that it's just tattle, and ones personal taste for more intentionally kid oriented TV programming. The battle lines of which seem to come down around to single posters' diet when they were kids, and I sense a general discomfort for something we can't immediately excuse watching to our SOs. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Inviere wrote: »
    The cartoon image definitely seems 'off' in terms of Star Trek, and seems far more fitting of Star Wars or somesuch. That's not to say it won't be good, it could be, we won't know until we watch it. That said, it's safe to say virtually every current Star Trek fan in existence who has been watching since childhood, didn't need a dumbed down cartoon to hook them, so I can see where some of the grievances are coming from in that regard. When written properly, Star Trek can appeal to all audiences.

    I was sceptical, and even dismissive of Lower Decks at one point after my first attempt to watch it. I've recently finished it, and thouroughly enjoyed it this time around (I stuck with it past the first three eps, and kinda knew what to expect for the second attempt). There were some genuine lol moments, and it had some great stories. I'd consider it dumbed down Star Trek, but it was handled properly, by people who really 'get' what Star Trek is. I loved how
    in one episode it took the absolute piss out of the **** 'cinematic' lighting in modern Star Trek, with the screen haze, piercing bright lights in every scene, etc etc.....also had a good chuckle at Riker's reason for being late to the bridge of the Titan :D)

    So yeah, I'm not automatically optimistic this kids show will be good, but look, even if it's not, it's no loss to us. I'd say one thing, I'd prob quicker watch the kids show than I would the possible Section 31 show.....it's not as if a kids show will be doing any more or less harm than garbage like that would be/will be (which can be safely said without seeing it, because we know how Section 31 was handled in Discovery - awfully.)

    +1 I think I'm similarly inclined.

    I also am of the feeling that good Trek can hook in people from all ages. Hell...I even remember as a 4/5 year old being hooked by The Wrath of Khan. That one *really* wasn't kid friendly :P I was also wary of Lower Decks until I too experienced a production that appeared to actually care about the universe of Trek. They were clearly having fun with it, with an enjoyable sense of humor and a sort of shared language we've all gotten used to over the years of watching Trek.

    I can understand Viacom's desire to use Trek in a Nickelodeon production. They're re-launcing their streaming service and the only chance these companies have of completeing with Netflix / Amazon is to pad out their platform with as much content as they can get. This is part of why Discovery probably won't get cancelled, and the reason we may end up seeing Section 31 and Strange New Worlds. They need shows, as many as possible....quality be damned (I guess...)

    However, Lower Decks was good, and I still suspect that this was due to Kurtzman & Co. being mostly absent from the production. Those people have an uncanny ability to take a potentially good idea and drive it off a very annoying cliff. That was absent in Lower Decks, and my hope at this early stage is that he was also be absent for the production of ST: Prodigy. If so...there is some hope of some good Trek, even if it is a kids show. I am of the firm belief, that even a kids show should be approached with the intention of entertaining everyone watching. Actual "family entertainmnet" in its more useful form, a show that appeals to everyone at mulitple levels, as opposed to a lightly written adventure slokk that will only appeal to the youngest. Very few manage or bother with the approach of broad-appeal, but if we're lucky, maybe they will. I am curious to see what they come up with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,532 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Yeha I agree with above. My four year old is really getting into Trek clips. Although probably confuses a lot of people at the playground when he screams the Borg are coming while on the swings.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Inviere


    beauf wrote: »
    I don't have a link to what you are talking about. I've not seen this show... It's their a trailer anywhere.

    Oh, apologies, I thought you were aware of the show. It's called Star Trek Prodigy, it's developed and produced Nickelodeon (the children's tv channel), and has been described by Viacom as being aimed at children and family audiences. There's currently no trailer, only a still image of some very cartoony looking characters. So combined with the image, & the other facts I've mentioned, it's a very safe assumption this will be more akin to Phineas & Ferb than it will be to Unification I & II. Which is fine, I'm ok with it that.....though it's a slight shame that Star Trek used to be able to just attract fans of all ages, rather than specifically aimed shows at specific demographics.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Just because Trek can appeal to all ages doesn't mean it's not still ok to have a kids show.

    Also the "all ages" family TV show is probably gonna be a thing of the past due to the fact that houses have about 10 viewing screens and 100s of channels and watch any time streaming services. TV required catch all shows because houses had 1 TV and 2 to 10 channels


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Inviere


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Just because Trek can appeal to all ages doesn't mean it's not still ok to have a kids show.

    I think the point is that it never needed one to hook younger audiences in. Of course its OK to have one, the hope is that it's just handled well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Yeha I agree with above. My four year old is really getting into Trek clips. Although probably confuses a lot of people at the playground when he screams the Borg are coming while on the swings.

    (Kids running around)

    Valeyard Jr: Tag! Now you’re assimilated!

    Kid 2: No *you* are assimilated!

    Valeyard Jr: Nope! (Pssst) There! I took an Anti-Borg hypo-spray!!

    Kid 2: Hey! No Voyager Borg!!!

    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Inviere wrote: »
    I think the point is that it never needed one to hook younger audiences in. Of course its OK to have one, the hope is that it's just handled well.

    Of course we all hope it's handled well why would anyone hope it's handled badly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Inviere


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Of course we all hope it's handled well why would anyone hope it's handled badly.

    Nobody hopes it gets handled badly, relax with the strawman there. Picard, and Discovery, have not filled people with hope is all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Inviere wrote: »
    Nobody hopes it gets handled badly, relax with the strawman there. Picard, and Discovery, have not filled people with hope is all.

    I loved Picard despite it's problems and Lower Decks filled me with lots of hope. Only Discovery really sucked and I'm not really using it as any kind of measure of this kids cartoon. I'm happy to wait until we have more than a poster before I start with the pessimism unlike some who seem all too ready to shoot it down before it starts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Inviere


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    I'm happy to wait until we have more than a poster before I start with the pessimism unlike some who seem all too ready to shoot it down before it starts

    Such is the nature of media with vast fanbases like Star Trek has. Some will happily chew on any ****e with the name Trek in it. Others will hate everything that isn't shot in 4:3 with styrofoam rocks. Many are in the middle, enjoying some of the modern stuff, but not all of it. As I said twice already, if Prodigy actually turns out good, then great, thumbs up. If it ends up being garbage, those who don't enjoy it don't have to watch it. It really doesn't matter in the overall scheme of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Inviere wrote: »
    Such is the nature of media with vast fanbases like Star Trek has. Some will happily chew on any ****e with the name Trek in it. Others will hate everything that isn't shot in 4:3 with styrofoam rocks. Many are in the middle, enjoying some of the modern stuff, but not all of it. As I said twice already, if Prodigy actually turns out good, then great, thumbs up. If it ends up being garbage, those who don't enjoy it don't have to watch it. It really doesn't matter in the overall scheme of it.

    Those who don't enjoy still have to come on and derail every episode thread with regurgitated crap from Youtube edgelords though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,250 ✭✭✭Inviere


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Those who don't enjoy still have to come on and derail every episode thread with regurgitated crap from Youtube edgelords though.

    Such is the way with discussion forums....if you don't care to read the opinions of such people, then don't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Inviere wrote: »
    Such is the way with discussion forums....if you don't care to read the opinions of such people, then don't.


    Its really not that simple. Threads that should be about transwarp conduits or something become meaningless whinging about "SJW virtue signallers" or similar nonsense that should be on the Donald Trump thread not the Trek one


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    You seem to have completely made up your mind off one poster or your mind was made up before you ever even saw the poster.


    And Pixelburp never said people who disagree with her are " idiots or pathetic" just that the actions of those sad incel fanboys are
    I haven't make up my mind on anything, I said "if" it has no resemblance.
    Every other ST show has followed the general idea of TOS. This, based on the poster is 100% unrelated to anything ST, they are boldly going where no one has gone before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    breezy1985 wrote: »
    Those who don't enjoy still have to come on and derail every episode thread with regurgitated crap from Youtube edgelords though.
    Like I said, those who disagree are all idiots and pathetic right?
    Does every thread have to be a positive love in? What happened to the art of criticism? Shows like Discovery deserve criticism, it's very poorly done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    pixelburp wrote: »



    Greebo made the assertion that Prodigy was some outlier for existing to just make money. That could be said of all Trek. Yes it has often had artistic merit but speculating that Prodigy is the first Trek to exist for money making purposes is naive. CBS/Paramount like money, and aren't making Discovery for the love ;)
    Wrong, I didn't say it was an outlier for making money. Everything is made to make money, but it doesn't all trade off an existing, successful brand while being totally unrelated, like this appears it could be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Wrong, I didn't say it was an outlier for making money. Everything is made to make money, but it doesn't all trade off an existing, successful brand while being totally unrelated, like this appears it could be.

    Well can we at least agree we both got each other wrong, if you're snipping half my post? Don't want to virtue signal, like. ;)

    And the key word here is, "Appears". We know Janeway is coming back so to say the show is going to be totally unrelated isn't fair; IIRC the synopsis is the aliens discover an old Federation ship so unlikely the iconography will be that wildly different. Janeway probably plays a surrogate parent / quest giver role were I to guess. Best option is to wait and see for a trailer because everything else is speculation and presumption on a series of mugshots. With goofy, colourful design aesthetics clearly aimed at children. They wouldn't be what I'D have gone for but equally it's cool to see properly exotic aliens in Trek, the benefit of animation of course and one of the many joys of Lower Decks


  • Posts: 8,756 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's a fecking poster lads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,279 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Like I said, those who disagree are all idiots and pathetic right?
    Does every thread have to be a positive love in? What happened to the art of criticism? Shows like Discovery deserve criticism, it's very poorly done.

    Im not calling for a love in and there is little I like about Discovery. But there are people here who use it to whinge about "woke politics" and hate shows not based on the shows merits


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It's a fecking poster lads

    I can see it now. The 40 minute YouTube video, "10 Things You Missed from Star Trek: Prodigy Poster". With the classic thumbnail of a big red arrow pointing at something utterly unrelated to the content. Like! Subscribe! Ring that bell!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,424 ✭✭✭Rawr


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I can see it now. The 40 minute YouTube video, "10 Things You Missed from Star Trek: Prodigy Poster". With the classic thumbnail of a big red arrow pointing at something utterly unrelated to the content. Like! Subscribe! Ring that bell!

    And *SMASH* that Like Button! (very important)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,157 ✭✭✭Markitron


    pixelburp wrote: »
    I can see it now. The 40 minute YouTube video, "10 Things You Missed from Star Trek: Prodigy Poster". With the classic thumbnail of a big red arrow pointing at something utterly unrelated to the content. Like! Subscribe! Ring that bell!

    And the sequel video: 'Why Star Trek: Prodigy is a complete failure', the thumbnail will a pic of the poster with badly photoshopped memes pasted on top of it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,518 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Getting very difficult to figure out who are the edgelords and who are mocking the edgelords on this thread. Maybe something to think about?


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