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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3722
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    martingriff wrote: »
    And if there was something to it and they waited yoube on here giving out they did not give advice to pregnant people to be careful

    You think pregnant women in the middle of a pandemic need advice to be careful?


  • #3723
    top floor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭top floor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?

    But would the media (and many posters here) not be unanimous later in demanding his dismissal for staging a cover-up? Any delay, or lack of detail, by the HSE in releasing information is by definition a "cover-up".


  • #3724
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    top floor wrote: »
    Sadly the end of the road is being reached. End of life decisions are now being taken by relatives and medical staff in relation to those who went onto ventilators six weeks ago (at the peak of entry to ICU) and are not showing any further hope of recovery.

    Proof


  • #3725
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    top floor wrote: »
    But would the media (and many posters here) not be unanimous later in demanding his dismissal for staging a cover-up? Any delay, or lack of detail, by the HSE in releasing information is by definition a "cover-up".

    Who suggested a cover up?


  • #3726
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    A poster with a join date <Oct 2020 is best ignored, no matter what side of the debate they place themselves on.

    There appears to be a concerted campaign to ferment division on the site, with new posters taking ridiculously hard line stances


    I agree but its a moderated open forum if you dont like anyone who objects to the longest hardest in the civiized world I am voting with my feet going back to my home of 12 years life is for living, not covid


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  • #3727
    top floor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭top floor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Who suggested a cover up?

    I am not sure if you misunderstand my point. I am not suggesting a cover-up at all.

    The point is that where the HSE does not release all information immediately (even if incomplete) it is open to accusations of a cover-up.


  • #3728
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I think we are now seeing the effects of better contact tracing(mainly due to lower cases) I id mention it a few weeks ago, do think thats what w are seeing now. If backward tracing is introduced if cases manage to get very low. Then the situation could become very manageable with hotel quarantine and a larger percentage of the population vaccinated.

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1368218341383565312


    Really encouraging to see positivity rate continue to drop alongside decreasing hospital numbers. According to that thread, if trends continue on current trajectory, we could be looking at circa 150 cases on average by next month and sub 100 in 6 weeks time.


  • #3729
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Arghus wrote: »
    And equally there are some who will use anything as grounds to criticise NPHET.

    I struggle to see how Glynn could have handled the journalist's question in any other way. He couldn't deny that he'd been made aware of it - and he tried to his best to talk about that it was prelimary findings, was potentially exceedingly rare and that maternity care was still top notch. What else could he have said when faced with a question about this?

    I think people want to undermine NPHET and paint them as some sort of boogey men pulling the strings when they just provide info.

    If they can discredit them then they can discredit public help advice and benefit their vested interests.

    We've seen it right the way through.

    It's very telling when certain poster latch on to anything said to undermine them.

    Pretty standard, shoot the messenger strategy.


  • #3730
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You think pregnant women in the middle of a pandemic need advice to be careful?

    If there was an extra chance of something then yes but that was not the point I was making and you are doing your best to avoid answering it.


  • #3731
    corcaigh07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭corcaigh07


    top floor wrote: »
    Sadly the end of the road is being reached. End of life decisions are now being taken by relatives and medical staff in relation to those who went onto ventilators six weeks ago (at the peak of entry to ICU) and are not showing any further hope of recovery.

    Well, this is made up.


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  • #3732
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    top floor wrote: »
    I am not sure if you misunderstand my point. I am not suggesting a cover-up at all.

    The point is that where the HSE does not release all information immediately (even if incomplete) it is open to accusations of a cover-up.

    Well we'll have to disagree, I believe releasing speculative information which is obvious will cause enormous distress was wrong.
    I suspect though if the coroner finds no link the information will not generate the same headlines as the speculation linking Covid with still births did.


  • #3733
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    martingriff wrote: »
    If there was an extra chance of something then yes but that was not the point I was making and you are doing your best to avoid answering it.

    I'm not avoiding anything, I doubt pregnant women need to be frightened further regarding avoidance of contracting the virus particularly when the information that was released is speculative in nature.


  • #3734
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Jesus, you're still going on about this pregnancy thing? Totally bizarre.


  • #3735
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    It wasn't based off George Lee's question. I think (I could be wrong) Ronan Glynn read out the info on the 4 stillborn deaths raised by coroners to them through some mechanism that exists.

    It was later on in the briefing that George asked about it.


  • #3736
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    top floor wrote: »
    Sadly the end of the road is being reached. End of life decisions are now being taken by relatives and medical staff in relation to those who went onto ventilators six weeks ago (at the peak of entry to ICU) and are not showing any further hope of recovery.

    unless you're employed by NPHET or the HSE Covid management teams - you can't possibly know what you're talking about here :rolleyes:


  • #3737
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    I think people want to undermine NPHET and paint them as some sort of boogey men pulling the strings when they just provide info.

    But do you not see that NPHET is clearly a subversive group of power mad scientists and medicos who want to play God over the people of Ireland, delight in inflicting suffering, get a real kick out of earning their hundreds of thousands a year each while laughing at the rest of us on 300 a week, have an agenda to impose alcohol prohibition in Ireland, every new mutation has them rubbing their hands in glee, are fundamentally against all types of fun and entertainment except if its golf because they love being out pushing a trolly around a field wearing white trousers and salmon shirts, are hoors for being celebrities and hearing their own voices every day on every radio and TV show they can get on and if they arent on one they hold their own, act as an all powerful defenders of their incompetiant buddies in the HSE, have RTE and George Lee in their complete control and have them worship them, want to kill the tourism industry because theyre grand with their holiday villas in Marbella, and its top board see themselves as the real cabinet governing the country. Clearly.


  • #3738
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Probes wrote: »
    Jesus, you're still going on about this pregnancy thing? Totally bizarre.

    Discussing stuff on a discussion forum, how dare people eh?


  • #3739
    themacattack.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 119 ✭✭themacattack.


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    But do you not see that NPHET is clearly a subversive group of power mad scientists and medicos who want to play God over the people of Ireland, delight in inflicting suffering, get a real kick out of earning their hundreds of thousands a year each while laughing at the rest of us on 300 a week, have an agenda to impose alcohol prohibition in Ireland, every new mutation has them rubbing their hands in glee, are fundamentally against all types of fun and entertainment except if its golf because they love being out pushing a trolly around a field wearing white trousers and salmon shirts, are hoors for being celebrities and hearing their own voices every day on every radio and TV show they can get on and if they arent on one they hold their own, act as an all powerful defenders of their incompetiant buddies in the HSE, have RTE and George Lee in their complete control and have them worship them, want to kill the tourism industry because theyre grand with their holiday villas in Marbella, and its top board see themselves as the real cabinet governing the country. Clearly.

    bullseye give that man a cigar


  • #3740
    Probes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Discussing stuff on a discussion forum, how dare people eh?


    It's not really discussing, it's just a relentless attack on Nphet over something you seem to have misinterpreted.


    "he is being asked a question by a reporter and he is being extremely cautious in his reply "possibly", "preliminary", "not concluded". And then he finished with "we've had a very positive experience with maternity and Covid in this country so far."

    Infections can and do cause stillbirths, Covid may be like many others in this regard. That doesn't mean it will be worse or better than other infections, but it may cause some risk. Why don't you want to report the data they are receiving? You've gone way overboard on this, they aren't scaremongering they are just reporting the data.


  • #3741
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Probes wrote: »
    It's not really discussing, it's just a relentless attack on Nphet over something you seem to have misinterpreted.


    "he is being asked a question by a reporter and he is being extremely cautious in his reply "possibly", "preliminary", "not concluded". And then he finished with "we've had a very positive experience with maternity and Covid in this country so far."

    Infections can and do cause stillbirths, Covid may be like many others in this regard. That doesn't mean it will be worse or better than other infections, but it may cause some risk. Why don't you want to report the data they are receiving? You've gone way overboard on this, they aren't scaremongering they are just reporting the data.

    What data? Speculation is not data.
    The Imperial college tracked the pregnancy of 4000 women and found no connection between Covid and still birth. Ireland on the other hand suggests we found 4 .
    I can't help it if you don't like a topic being discussed, so unlless you're a Mod advising me to stop I'll carry on.


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  • #3742
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What data? Speculation is not data.
    The Imperial college tracked the pregnancy of 4000 women and found no connection between Covid and still birth. Ireland on the other hand suggests we found 4 .
    I can't help it if you don't like a topic being discussed, so unlless you're a Mod advising me to stop I'll carry on.

    drive on Plumb... pay no heed


  • #3743
    redarmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭redarmy


    14 further deaths.

    539 new confirmed cases.


  • #3744
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »
    But do you not see that NPHET is clearly a subversive group of power mad scientists and medicos who want to play God over the people of Ireland, delight in inflicting suffering, get a real kick out of earning their hundreds of thousands a year each while laughing at the rest of us on 300 a week, have an agenda to impose alcohol prohibition in Ireland, every new mutation has them rubbing their hands in glee, are fundamentally against all types of fun and entertainment except if its golf because they love being out pushing a trolly around a field wearing white trousers and salmon shirts, are hoors for being celebrities and hearing their own voices every day on every radio and TV show they can get on and if they arent on one they hold their own, act as an all powerful defenders of their incompetiant buddies in the HSE, have RTE and George Lee in their complete control and have them worship them, want to kill the tourism industry because theyre grand with their holiday villas in Marbella, and its top board see themselves as the real cabinet governing the country. Clearly.

    They've been doing all of those things for the past year. They are inflicting unbelievable suffering on people.


  • #3745
    Natterjack from Kerry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Natterjack from Kerry


    Deleted User wrote: »
    They've been doing all of those things for the past year. They are inflicting unbelievable suffering on people.

    Sure, bud.


  • #3746
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    539 cases today

    738 cases this day last week

    Very good progress this week

    fingers crossed we can keep this going


  • #3747
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    TV license ads running none stop wouldn’t it be nice if they ran some advert about the positive effects of Vitamin D bunch of fućkwits in charge.

    One of the terms and conditions of living here who comes up with this shîte

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • #3748
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    top floor wrote: »
    Sadly the end of the road is being reached. End of life decisions are now being taken by relatives and medical staff in relation to those who went onto ventilators six weeks ago (at the peak of entry to ICU) and are not showing any further hope of recovery.

    This is true. Decline in overall ICU numbers is not a reason to celebrate although a decline in admissions certainly is.


  • #3749
    nj27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 467 ✭✭nj27


    It's going to be dropping off rapidly now cos it's seasonal.


  • #3750
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm not avoiding anything, I doubt pregnant women need to be frightened further regarding avoidance of contracting the virus particularly when the information that was released is speculative in nature.

    So you are suggesting if Glynn had said nothing and it came out later they had not told us this and it turned out to be something of substance you would not be screaming cover up


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  • #3751
    Purple Mountain
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,732 ✭✭✭✭Purple Mountain


    I was in a Tesco yesterday and had to laugh when I saw the Rimmel stand shuttered closed.
    Meanwhile, I can go into Boots or any pharmacy and peruse the makeup aisles languidly and buy whatever I want.

    To thine own self be true



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