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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3692
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    And equally there are some who will use anything as grounds to criticise NPHET.

    I struggle to see how Glynn could have handled the journalist's question in any other way. He couldn't deny that he'd been made aware of it - and he tried to his best to talk about that it was prelimary findings, was potentially exceedingly rare and that maternity care was still top notch. What else could he have said when faced with a question about this?
    I'm happy to criticise where it is warranted, I don't believe in a position of absolute defence or critique.
    Personally I believe Glynn should have said we have no definitive information at the moment and will address the question when we do. If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?
    As I said to another poster yesterday or the day before, if there is no link established between Covid and the 4 still births the same attention from Nphet or the media will not occur. My opinion of course but behaviour todate suggests my opinion most likely will be correct.


  • #3693
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,448 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    Any live streams? (the cork protest)


  • #3694
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Glynn dealt with the question correctly.

    The media made it an issue and obsessed posters on social media made it an issue.

    Obsessed posters on social media made it an issue?
    lol.


  • #3695
    Storm 10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,069 ✭✭✭Storm 10


    No getting back to normal after vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html


  • #3696
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,541 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    No getting back to normal after vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

    That's not what it says though.


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  • #3697
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    No getting back to normal after vaccine 'until critical mass is reached'.

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

    FYP.


  • #3698
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    No getting back to normal after vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

    Is it not saying they cant treat people differently on the grounds of who has and hasn't been vaccinated?


  • #3699
    Sanjuro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    No getting back to normal after vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

    Log off, will ya?


  • #3700
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,312 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm happy to criticise where it is warranted, I don't believe in a position of absolute defence or critique.
    Personally I believe Glynn should have said we have no definitive information at the moment and will address the question when we do. If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?
    As I said to another poster yesterday or the day before, if there is no link established between Covid and the 4 still births the same attention from Nphet or the media will not occur. My opinion of course but behaviour todate suggests my opinion most likely will be correct.

    He said that the information was provided in the preliminary coroner's reports. He didn't write that information, it was information that was provided to him - and he provided caveat after caveat in his answer, some of which you've said he should have and he did: we don't have much data, all very prelimary, very rare outcome, maternity care is overwhelmingly positive. Honestly, once again, what else could he have said?

    Glynn admitted that they have no definitive information - he never said this was confirmed to be linked to deaths. He essentially did what you say he should have done. And he went out of his way to defuse the emotionality of the question by bringing in all those caveats I've previously mentioned.

    Do you really think he could have avoided answering that question? No chance - he had to say something. So what he did say explained the context, stressed that there wasn't much information and that all reports were prelimary and talked up the positive experiences of maternity care throughout the pandemic. It's ridiculous to accuse him of scaremongering for this.


  • #3701
    agoodpunt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541 ✭✭✭agoodpunt


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    No getting back to normal after vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html


    Going to a country next wk everything open small pockets of cv19 dealt with by local short lockdowns none of the crap going on here

    The private hospitals allowed to offer vaccines


    we should be living with covid not hiding


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  • #3702
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    He said that the information was provided in the preliminary coroner's reports. He didn't write that information, it was information that was provided to him - and he provided caveat after caveat in his answer, some of which you've said he should have and he did: we don't have much data, all very prelimary, very rare outcome, maternity care is overwhelmingly positive. Honestly, once again, what else could he have said?

    Glynn admitted that they have no definitive information - he never said this was confirmed to be linked to deaths. He essentially did what you say he should have done. And he went out of his way to defuse the emotionality of the question by bringing in all those caveats I've previously mentioned.

    Do you really think he could have avoided answering that question? No chance - he had to say something. So what he did say explained the context, stressed that there wasn't much information and that all reports were prelimary and talked up the positive experiences of maternity care throughout the pandemic. It's ridiculous to accuse him of scaremongering for this.
    As I said some will accept no criticism of Nphet whether it is justified or not, I find unwavering defence/critique intriguing tbh.


  • #3703
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    460 swabs
    3.58% + rate

    Happy Saturday everyone


  • #3704
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    460 swabs
    3.58% + rate

    Happy Saturday everyone

    692 / 3.84% last Saturday.

    33% drop


  • #3705
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Storm 10 wrote: »
    No getting back to normal after vaccine

    https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/vaccine-bonus-with-greater-freedom-for-those-inoculated-unlikely-taoiseach-indicates-1091965.html

    That's not what I'm reading from it. Your headline synopsis is misleading.


  • #3706
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    Going to a country next wk everything open small pockets of cv19 dealt with by local short lockdowns none of the crap going on here

    The private hospitals allowed to offer vaccines


    we should be living with covid not hiding

    What country is offering private vaccines? Outside the Western world I presume.


  • #3707
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,312 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    As I said some will accept no criticism of Nphet whether it is justified or not, I find unwavering defence/critique intriguing tbh.

    I think you're determined to find fault with his response in this context. Even though he was calm and measured and even mentioned many things that you said he should have.

    You find unwavering deference or critique intriguing? Me too - honestly, tell me one single time when you have publicly agreed with anything from NPHET. C'mon there is an irony there in you talking about the intrigue of unwavering critique - your contributions are unwavering in their critique!

    But, I'm quite happy to drop the subject too. It's a nice day outside and I don't want to waste it.


  • #3708
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,345 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    agoodpunt wrote: »
    Going to a country next wk everything open small pockets of cv19 dealt with by local short lockdowns none of the crap going on here

    The private hospitals allowed to offer vaccines


    we should be living with covid not hiding

    A country with zero covid, private vaccinations and an open border........

    Narnia?


  • #3709
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    460 swabs
    3.58% + rate

    Happy Saturday everyone

    Excellent stuff


  • #3710
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,144 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    A country with zero covid, private vaccinations and an open border........

    Narnia?

    A poster with a join date <Oct 2020 is best ignored, no matter what side of the debate they place themselves on.

    There appears to be a concerted campaign to ferment division on the site, with new posters taking ridiculously hard line stances


  • #3711
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Arghus wrote: »
    I think you're determined to find fault with his response in this context. Even though he was calm and measured and even mentioned many things that you said he should have.

    You find unwavering deference or critique intriguing? Me too - honestly, tell me one single time when you have publicly agreed with anything from NPHET. C'mon there is an irony there in you talking about the intrigue of unwavering critique - your contributions are unwavering in their critique!

    But, I'm quite happy to drop the subject too. It's a nice day outside and I don't want to waste it.

    You can check my post history if you wish but I have agreed with the medical advice they gave in the early days around social distancing hand washing etc and still do, I disagreed with the stance they took when the nursing homes were restricting visitors.
    I agree with their suggestions about inward travel. I disagree with their insisting on closing non essential retail/ construction.
    As you said it's a nice day out you shouldn't waste it.


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  • #3712
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Mr.S wrote: »
    What happens when Western countries finish their vaccination programme? Eg could we see private practises offering the vaccine in UK before our programme finishes in Ireland? Presumably all countries will still keep a level of stock on hand for whatever reason - new arrivals etc.

    Northern Ireland vaccine run!

    I expect when the UK complete their programme any excess will be offered to us due to the CTA and nonexistent NI border.
    Who wants a potential well of infection on their doorstep?


  • #3713
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,345 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    460 swabs
    3.58% + rate

    Happy Saturday everyone

    If the Sunday and Monday low numbers trend continues, we could have a 7 day average below 4%, which is just a massive boost.


  • #3714
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    I think we are now seeing the effects of better contact tracing(mainly due to lower cases) I id mention it a few weeks ago, do think thats what w are seeing now. If backward tracing is introduced if cases manage to get very low. Then the situation could become very manageable with hotel quarantine and a larger percentage of the population vaccinated.

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1368218341383565312


  • #3715
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,072 ✭✭✭jackboy


    wadacrack wrote: »
    I think we are now seeing the effects of better contact tracing(mainly due to lower cases) I id mention it a few weeks ago, do think thats what w are seeing now. If backward tracing is introduced if cases manage to get very low. Then the situation could become very manageable with hotel quarantine and a larger percentage of the population vaccinated.

    https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1368218341383565312

    We are getting close to levels where areas of infection are getting broken up. We will see more and more parts of the country essentially achieve zero covid now. When numbers are low like this individual spikes in certain towns or factories will become news and these will be named and shamed.


  • #3716
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Mr.S wrote: »
    What happens when Western countries finish their vaccination programme? Eg could we see private practises offering the vaccine in UK before our programme finishes in Ireland? Presumably all countries will still keep a level of stock on hand for whatever reason - new arrivals etc.

    Northern Ireland vaccine run!
    There's a strong chance we'll be finished before the UK. If not, there'll be barely a couple of weeks in the difference.

    Their rush to get first doses to as many as possible is a debt that will have to be repaid.

    The UK is aiming for completion (every adult offered two doses) by October. So are we.

    So in the end it's likely there'll be little between us.


  • #3717
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,693 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    jackboy wrote: »
    We are getting close to levels where areas of infection are getting broken up. We will see more and more parts of the country essentially achieve zero covid now. When numbers are low like this individual spikes in certain towns or factories will become news and these will be named and shamed.

    Nothing like shaming people for getting sick.

    Good ole Covid brought out the best in us


  • #3718
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm happy to criticise where it is warranted, I don't believe in a position of absolute defence or critique.
    Personally I believe Glynn should have said we have no definitive information at the moment and will address the question when we do. If Glynn was blindsided as suggested by another poster surely it would make sense to address the question when more information was available?
    As I said to another poster yesterday or the day before, if there is no link established between Covid and the 4 still births the same attention from Nphet or the media will not occur. My opinion of course but behaviour todate suggests my opinion most likely will be correct.

    And then we would have a headline accusing Glynn of hiding something.


  • #3719
    top floor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭top floor


    retro:electro wrote: »
    I actually can’t believe how quickly ICU is dropping after stagnating for so long. It could be <50 in two weeks or so!

    Sadly the end of the road is being reached. End of life decisions are now being taken by relatives and medical staff in relation to those who went onto ventilators six weeks ago (at the peak of entry to ICU) and are not showing any further hope of recovery.


  • #3720
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    crossman47 wrote: »
    And then we would have a headline accusing Glynn of hiding something.

    Hiding what? Refusing to comment until you have factual evidence I would suggest is the responsible course of action instead of being party to scaring the sh!te out of pregnant women.


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  • #3721
    martingriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,400 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Hiding what? Refusing to comment until you have factual evidence I would suggest is the responsible course of action instead of being party to scaring the sh!te out of pregnant women.

    And if there was something to it and they waited you and others would be on here giving out they did not give advice to pregnant people to be careful


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