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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3512
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    The key to a safe and successful reopening will be get the level of virus transmissions down to as low as possible to give the virus less chances to transmit. Reopening now from an average daily count of approx 400 to 500, will be a disaster for spread. Ongoing level 5 is 5hit and I have my own difficulties but risking the virus and potentially contributing to spread is not the answer. It's all about stopping the movements of people to give the virus less chances to transmit right now.

    As has been previously explained - ongoing vaccinations will reduce the risk of hospitalisation from covid day by day - so case numbers become less and less relevant as vaccinations grow. We are vaccinating the most at risk population (65+ and underlying conditions) as they are disproportionally affected and represent far more risk than the rest of population.

    Theres no reason we need a target anywhere near as low as we did last year before opening. The other thing to consider is that vaccinations also reduce transmission - which brings R number even lower, again showing that we can tolerate a much higher number of cases than last year.

    The key to a safe and successful reopening is vaccinations and not going from 0-100 in one go. But if we stay at 0 for too long, people will just break the restrictions and you'll see more house parties and other "deplorable" events and gatherings. Not to mention the protests. We need a staged reopening and we need it now.


  • #3513
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Would be more fantastic if they lived, I'd hardly cheer if ICU number was 0 today but deaths was 103

    The ICU reduction were discharges not deaths, btw it's now down to 102 in ICU.


  • #3514
    pc7
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 14,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭pc7


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There are many sectors both commercial and recreational that are closed with little to no justification. I'm not surprised businesses are challenging the government. There is a very significant bill building and it will have to be paid. Half a million people sitting at home on PUP is not sustainable.


    Yes, difficult decisions to be made, too slow you face people ignoring it and trades going blackmarket etc. too fast and if another sh1t show followed in terms of the hospitals/deaths etc they are damned then too. Its not easy.



    Personally I am hoping for retail to be opened, construction back etc April 5th, then hopefully outside hospitality May 5th. But I don't get paid the big bucks to make the decisions. (Thankfully :D).



    I just want to go for a coffee or a bit of lunch somewhere (even outside) with my mam, first world problems I know.


  • #3515
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    timmyntc wrote: »
    As has been previously explained - ongoing vaccinations will reduce the risk of hospitalisation from covid day by day - so case numbers become less and less relevant as vaccinations grow. We are vaccinating the most at risk population (65+ and underlying conditions) as they are disproportionally affected and represent far more risk than the rest of population.

    Theres no reason we need a target anywhere near as low as we did last year before opening. The other thing to consider is that vaccinations also reduce transmission - which brings R number even lower, again showing that we can tolerate a much higher number of cases than last year.

    The key to a safe and successful reopening is vaccinations and not going from 0-100 in one go. But if we stay at 0 for too long, people will just break the restrictions and you'll see more house parties and other "deplorable" events and gatherings. Not to mention the protests. We need a staged reopening and we need it now.

    The vaccination programme currently is being aimed at the elderly in communities. That is the current group for vaccinations but the majority of spread is occurring from younger adults and under 65s. I think the median age of cases recently is approximately 41. Vaccinating the older population is not going to curb the spread of the virus. The virus will still move and circulate in the population and under the 70 age group mark. Many of these adults are far down the list of vaccinations. The key to a safe and successful reopening will be the suppression of virus in communities.


  • #3516
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    pc7 wrote: »
    I would say they are starting to feel pressure from many areas, Decathalon and others starting to apply it now publicly (I would think its been happening all round). https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/major-foreign-retailers-express-frustration-at-length-of-irish-shutdown-1.4501611

    Pleased to see this, the country is being highlighted for the over the top approach to managing COVID... probably because the leadership are so inept they know nothing else but lockdowns.... Oh and piss poor vaccine rollout efforts


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  • #3517
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Would be more fantastic if they lived, I'd hardly cheer if ICU number was 0 today but deaths was 103

    ICU spare capacity is an important metric in terms of dealing with this virus and one of the metrics used to determine when we can ease restrictions and by how much. As cold as it may sound it doesn't actually matter if they lowering of numbers is due to a death or discharge. The important thing is that person is giving the best chance as possible to recover and that no triage decisions have to be made in terms of ICU beds. Thankfully I don't believe that has been the case in Ireland so far in this pandemic.


  • #3518
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Pleased to see this, the country is being highlighted for the over the top approach to managing COVID... probably because the leadership are so inept they know nothing else but lockdowns.... Oh and piss poor vaccine rollout efforts

    The 'leadership' is hiding behind Nphet. Convenient mudguard for incompetent politicians.


  • #3519
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    The vaccination programme currently is being aimed at the elderly in communities. That is the current group for vaccinations but the majority of spread is occurring from younger adults and under 65s. I think the median age of cases recently is approximately 41. Vaccinating the older population is not going to curb the spread of the virus. The virus will still move and circulate in the population and under the 70 age group mark. Many of these adults are far down the list of vaccinations. The key to a safe and successful reopening will be the suppression of virus in communities.

    Yes but those younger people are much less likely to end up in hospital or dead.
    And hospital acquired infection should be dropping massively with all HCWs vaccinated.

    You seem to think that once we're all vaccinated that covid will disappear - it wont. It's here to stay, but once the at risk groups are vaccinated it will be just an inconvenience. There is no point trying to suppress it massively once the at risk groups are vaccinated.


  • #3520
    francogarbanzo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭francogarbanzo


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    The vaccination programme currently is being aimed at the elderly in communities. That is the current group for vaccinations but the majority of spread is occurring from younger adults and under 65s. I think the median age of cases recently is approximately 41. Vaccinating the older population is not going to curb the spread of the virus. The virus will still move and circulate in the population and under the 70 age group mark. Many of these adults are far down the list of vaccinations. The key to a safe and successful reopening will be the suppression of virus in communities.

    We don't need to curb the spread of the virus. We need to prevent the most vulnerable from needing to go to the hospital, which is what the vaccine does.


  • #3521
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    francogarbanzo wrote: »
    We don't need to curb the spread of the virus. We need to prevent the most vulnerable from needing to go to the hospital, which is what the vaccine does.

    Yes we do. I don’t fancy catching any virus with unpredictable health effects. I certainly don’t want to take chances with long covid. Restrictions are absolutely necessary until majority of population is vaccinated like it or not.


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  • #3522
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    fits wrote: »
    Yes we do. I don’t fancy catching any virus with unpredictable health effects. I certainly don’t want to take chances with long covid. Restrictions are absolutely necessary until majority of population is vaccinated like it or not.

    Level 5 restrictions ? If so you are incorrect


  • #3523
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    fits wrote: »
    Yes we do. I don’t fancy catching any virus with unpredictable health effects. I certainly don’t want to take chances with long covid. Restrictions are absolutely necessary until majority of population is vaccinated like it or not.

    Like it or not once the vulnerable are vaccinated the game is up. The vast majority of people will be returning to normal life. If you want to avoid a mild disease you’ll have to isolate yourself.


  • #3524
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    fits wrote: »
    Yes we do. I don’t fancy catching any virus with unpredictable health effects. I certainly don’t want to take chances with long covid. Restrictions are absolutely necessary until majority of population is vaccinated like it or not.

    Huge bang of selfishness off this comment.


  • #3525
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    fits wrote: »
    Yes we do. I don’t fancy catching any virus with unpredictable health effects. I certainly don’t want to take chances with long covid. Restrictions are absolutely necessary until majority of population is I am vaccinated like it or not.

    Fixed your post


  • #3526
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    fits wrote: »
    Yes we do. I don’t fancy catching any virus with unpredictable health effects. I certainly don’t want to take chances with long covid. Restrictions are absolutely necessary until majority of population is vaccinated like it or not.

    You can always restrict yourself and stay away from public places I guess


  • #3527
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,145 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    There are many sectors both commercial and recreational that are closed with little to no justification. I'm not surprised businesses are challenging the government. There is a very significant bill building and it will have to be paid. Half a million people sitting at home on PUP is not sustainable.

    You know the justification, it's been repeated a thousand times already. It's to reduce mobility and reduce the opportunity for interactions. This can result in what seems like unfairness in what can open and what can not.

    One industry being the same medium risk as another is almost irrelevant in the calculation on whether it's permitted. It comes down to how essential it is. That's why supermarkets are open but shoe shops are closed.


  • #3528
    alexonhisown
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭alexonhisown


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    I can't see any reason not to open all construction and click and collect retail from tomorrow tbh - and do away with the fecking 5k as well. Hairdressers, etc on April 5th and like you say, outdoor hospitality in May.

    I agree with everything here except hairdressers shouldn't open before outdoor hospitality


  • #3529
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    615 Swabs
    3.7% + rate

    20% lower swabs than last Friday. Good progress


  • #3530
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,652 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    What is mild about an infection that can go on and result in SARS?

    Thats a blatant lie.
    The virus is SARS-COV-2, the disease is COVID-19.

    It is nowhere near comparable to SARS, in terms of outcomes. Totally different.


  • #3531
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,277 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1367850646142152707


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  • #3532
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,541 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    MerlinSouthDub wrote: »
    615 Swabs
    3.7% + rate

    20% lower swabs than last Friday. Good progress

    Shame were gonna have the same cohort saying it's increased, restrictions are not working etc...
    Despite week on week reductions.
    I wonder what the last 7 day average of swabs compared to the previous 7 is.


  • #3533
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    You can always restrict yourself and stay away from public places I guess

    If this is allowed to run out of control in <65s the hospitals will still be full.


  • #3534
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Level 5 restrictions ? If so you are incorrect

    Never said level 5. I’m not NPHET. But if you think a free for all for < 65s is right way to go about things you’d be wrong.


  • #3535
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    You know the justification,

    No I don't as I don't believe justification exists for many of the present restrictions. Let's leave it there because I have no interest in a back and forth with you.


  • #3536
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Shame were gonna have the same cohort saying it's increased, restrictions are not working etc...
    Despite week on week reductions.
    I wonder what the last 7 day average of swabs compared to the previous 7 is.

    590 versus 731

    A good drop, so hopefully schools and the 'geniuses' in Dublin and Limerick don't slow the progress.


  • #3537
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,701 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    We are going down a dangerous road here is this level of “leadership” continues.

    https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1367852789422989319?s=21


  • #3538
    Rambling Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭Rambling Man


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Shame were gonna have the same cohort saying it's increased, restrictions are not working etc...
    Despite week on week reductions.
    I wonder what the last 7 day average of swabs compared to the previous 7 is.

    Statistically it is improving alright, just seems to be going on forever.


  • #3539
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Shame were gonna have the same cohort saying it's increased, restrictions are not working etc...
    Despite week on week reductions.
    I wonder what the last 7 day average of swabs compared to the previous 7 is.

    7 day average is 19% lower than 7 days ago. The previous 2 weeks it only fell by about 12%. significantly better progress this week.


  • #3540
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    fits wrote: »
    If this is allowed to run out of control in <65s the hospitals will still be full.

    No one mentioned a free for all , but some restrictions have to be lifted because there are many people now struggling to pay rent and mortages .People need hospital appointments , need to get shoes for the children and clothes for their children .I struggled yesterday to find wellies for my grandchild for example .


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  • #3541
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    marno21 wrote: »
    We are going down a dangerous road here is this level of “leadership” continues.

    https://twitter.com/irishexaminer/status/1367852789422989319?s=21

    The headline sounds bad, but the article itself is not too negative, especially the direct quotes. They can't guarantee that construction will reopen, of course, since everything could happen between here and the 5th of April. We could have massive outbreaks, we could have a meteor hit Dublin, who knows.
    But he says that it's likely that construction will reopen (a phased reopening) and that's it's the priority right after schools.
    While Taoiseach Micheál Martin has targeted April 5 for the return of the building sector, Mr O’Brien conceded on Friday that he cannot guarantee that.


    Speaking at the launch of a new 430 million euro Urban Regeneration and Development Fund for Dublin, he told reporters: “There are no guarantees, I can’t give that.

    “We understand the importance of getting the sector back open, but when it’s safe to do so.

    “If you look at the trends right now, thankfully hospitalisation is reducing, the numbers in ICU are reducing, the positivity rate is reduced.

    “But we can only make that decision when we come closer to the date, to be honest with you.

    “I’m not going to speculate one way or the other, only to say that it is a priority for me and for Government.”

    However, a Department of Housing source said they are hopeful of a phased return next month, with home-building to resume first.


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