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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3302
    tigger123
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    People would be screaming blue murder if NPHET's suspicions were proven to be correct about Covid and pregnancy, and they didn't tell the public at the time.


  • #3303
    Plumbthedepths
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    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    The level and death and hospitalisation caused by an outbreak of 400+ cases is down to dumb luck. Surely that level of spread is perfectly newsworthy on its own! For example if that had gotten into a nursing home there could easily have been 20 deaths associated. Same outbreak, very different result.

    IF ....................


  • #3304
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    The level and death and hospitalisation caused by an outbreak of 400+ cases is down to dumb luck. Surely that level of spread is perfectly newsworthy on its own! For example if that had gotten into a nursing home there could easily have been 20 deaths associated. Same outbreak, very different result.

    Ah just seemed a lot of effort to tell the story and not finish it.


  • #3305
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    tigger123 wrote: »
    People would be screaming blue murder if NPHET's suspicions were proven to be correct about Covid and pregnancy, and they didn't tell the public at the time.

    There was a study carried out by the Imperial college amongst several thousand women that found no link between Covid and stillbirth. ( There's a link in the comments a few pages back).
    Maybe Nphet have commissioned their own study, I'm surprised they kept the findings quite.


  • #3306
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,694 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Yet the gathering of 200 +Travellers in a cemetery in Rathkeale no mention of fines being imposed or essays for that matter distinct lack of outrage from the usual suspects in government. Seems students are the only target . No discrimination at all , at all.

    Don’t remember hearing Simon Harris saying he jumped out of bed in the middle of the night to discuss that situation and suitable punishment


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  • #3307
    Plumbthedepths
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Don’t remember hearing Simon Harris saying he jumped out of bed in the middle of the night to discuss that situation and suitable punishment
    It's pathetic.


  • #3308
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    There's a few views on hospital transmissions

    1. Hospital transmission is due to hospital **** ups. Jail the doctors and nurses. They are murders.

    2. Hospital transmissions happen if there is covid in the community. It sucks but we can't fix this. People are doing their best to limit it but it still happens at an unfortunately high level.

    3. Hospital transmissions don't happen. Cases detected in hospital aren't hospital transmissions. Health care workers are angels. Hospitals have a magical shield and you can't get covid there.

    Personally I'm a believer in version 2.


    Didn't poster StephenJMCD say on here this week that mass testing in a major Irish hospital garnered just 4 positive cases?

    I thought Covid in Irish hospitals was under control now. There's some tests I've been putting off, but I can't for too much longer

    Golden Girl?


  • #3309
    bb1234567
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    https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1367565275751718918
    Imagine a European leader saying this? 'Stop whining' to the families of the 3600 Brazilian covid victims in the last 48 hours. It is a different world down there **** me, to think there's some people who actually think this kind of attitude to COVID is somehow desirable too


  • #3310
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Didn't poster StephenJMCD say on here this week that mass testing in a major Irish hospital garnered just 4 positive cases?

    I thought Covid in Irish hospitals was under control now

    Golden Girl?

    Indeed mass testing last weekend took place in a Dublin hospital and reported 4 cases from 3150 tests

    https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1365705634352660480?s=19


  • #3311
    Plumbthedepths
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    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1367565275751718918
    to think there's some people who actually think this kind of attitude to COVID is somehow desirable too

    Other than the lad referenced in the tweet who else thinks this?


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  • #3312
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/AlArabiya_Eng/status/1367565275751718918
    Imagine a European leader saying this? 'Stop whining' to the families of the 3600 Brazilian covid victims in the last 48 hours. It is a different world down there **** me, to think there's some people who actually think this kind of attitude to COVID is somehow desirable too

    Thankfully we don't have direct flights or meat factories.


  • #3313
    Nermal
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    tigger123 wrote: »
    People would be screaming blue murder if NPHET's suspicions were proven to be correct about Covid and pregnancy, and they didn't tell the public at the time.

    NPHET don't have 'suspicions', they have four partial anecdotes.

    Using them to frighten the public - in the face of mountains of actual data suggesting pregnant women don't have anything to worry about - is reprehensible.


  • #3314
    ShineOn7
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Indeed mass testing last weekend took place in a Dublin hospital and reported 4 cases from 3150 tests

    https://twitter.com/DonnellyStephen/status/1365705634352660480?s=19


    Thanks for the speedy reply

    Is that 3150 tests on patients or patients and staff combined I wonder

    Also; with numbers that big I'm going to guess it was the Mater


  • #3315
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,070 ✭✭✭✭fits


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Not only that but there was a study carried out by Imperial College recently in over 4,000 pregnant women and concluded that there was no still birth risk associated with Covid 19.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/215533/covid-19-infection-pregnancy-linked-with-still/

    Oh so we like imperial college today? I can’t keep up.


  • #3316
    bb1234567
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Other than the lad referenced in the tweet who else thinks this?

    Wasn't referring to boards posters, thankfully don't see those kind of exteme opinions on here much. On twitter you'd see it a bit, people cheering on those kind of remarks from him


  • #3317
    caveat emptor
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    Nermal wrote: »
    NPHET don't have 'suspicions', they have four partial anecdotes.

    Using them to frighten the public - in the face of mountains of actual data suggesting pregnant women don't have anything to worry about - is reprehensible.

    If you actually listened to it you'd know they said "We've been made aware by various coroners of 4 cases of still birth that may be related to a condition called covid placentitis "

    Hardly a fvcking anecdote.


  • #3318
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,467 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Thanks for the speedy reply

    Is that 3150 tests on patients or patients and staff combined I wonder

    Also; with numbers that big I'm going to guess it was the Mater

    No idea.

    Would presume its one of the bigger hospitals alright, I've family working in James's and didn't hear of mass testing so going to assume Vincent's or mater maybe


  • #3319
    Plumbthedepths
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    fits wrote: »
    Oh so we like imperial college today? I can’t keep up.

    So a study of 4000 women that finds no link is somehow not to be taken seriously, whereas anecdotal evidence of 4 suspected cases is as suggested by the non hysterical George Lee and calm Dr Glynn is accepted?


  • #3320
    Ficheall
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    Nermal wrote: »
    NPHET don't have 'suspicions', they have four partial anecdotes.

    Using them to frighten the public - in the face of mountains of actual data suggesting pregnant women don't have anything to worry about - is reprehensible.
    Well, it's still covid.. Even in the likely event that it doesn't lead to complications with the pregnancy, they should still be trying to avoid it..


  • #3321
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    How the hell are there no close contacts?
    I really believe it is so they can say schools are safe.
    That's the only logical conclusion.
    It's a joke. Believe what you want to believe at this stage.

    Let's look at the number of "family outbreaks" sky rocket then blame people who live in a house with kids.



    https://twitter.com/GininaTeacup1/status/1367149104497897482?s=20

    Just on this.

    A case today was discovered and the whole class was sent home and are to be tested.

    So as I was saying we don't know the facts of each case and the protocol you say in this article has turned out to be wrong.

    They are considering kids and teachers close contacts.


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  • #3322
    caveat emptor
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So a study of 4000 women that finds no link is somehow not to be taken seriously, whereas anecdotal evidence of 4 suspected cases is as suggested by the non hysterical George Lee and calm Dr Glynn is accepted?

    So I guess logically you are calling various coroners are scaremongers and pregnant women should disregard what Dr Glynn (the acting CMO) is saying?


  • #3323
    caveat emptor
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    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Just on this.

    A case today was discovered and the whole class was sent home and are to be tested.

    So as I was saying we don't know the facts of each case and the protocol you say in this article has turned out to be wrong.

    They are considering kids and teachers close contacts.

    Amazing what happens when people figure out the bull****. It's almost as if they reacted to that newspaper article.


  • #3324
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Not only that but there was a study carried out by Imperial College recently in over 4,000 pregnant women and concluded that there was no still birth risk associated with Covid 19.

    https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/215533/covid-19-infection-pregnancy-linked-with-still/

    Studies only use data and information that's available to them at the time. Just because a single study was done and made a conclusion, does not mean that that conclusion becomes some sort of scientific law; that's not how science or research works.

    Glynn said that investigation is being done to determine whether the stillbirths were as a result of Covid infection of the placenta. That's just a factual statement, there's nothing scaremongering (or downplaying) about it.


  • #3325
    Plumbthedepths
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    Well, it's still covid.. Even in the likely event that it doesn't lead to complications with the pregnancy, they should still be trying to avoid it..

    'they should still be trying to avoid it' Good advice because I'm sure up till you said it pregnant women didn't know contracting the virus wasn't a good thing.
    Christ.


  • #3326
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,172 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Amazing what happens when people figure out the bull****. It's almost as if they reacted to that newspaper article.

    Have you any evidence the HSE changed their criteria for schools after reading a headline?


  • #3327
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Have you any evidence the HSE changed their criteria for schools after reading a headline?

    Do you have any they didn't?

    Feel free to take up with Irish examiner. They are a reputable newspaper. I don't think they got it wrong. on and on we go


  • #3328
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,562 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So a study of 4000 women that finds no link is somehow not to be taken seriously, whereas anecdotal evidence of 4 suspected cases is as suggested by the non hysterical George Lee and calm Dr Glynn is accepted?

    You don't seem to understand how science works.

    A study finding no-link between something merely means they don't reject the null-hypothesis (of no link). It doesn't become established fact and hasn't been proven to be true.


  • #3329
    Plumbthedepths
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    Amirani wrote: »
    You don't seem to understand how science works.

    I understand that when making an announcement it's best to back it up with fact particularly when said announcement can cause undue stress and worry.
    Although I prefer science rather than anecdotal evidence caveated by the words may,suspect, think etc


  • #3330
    seamus
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    'they should still be trying to avoid it' Good advice because I'm sure up till you said it pregnant women didn't know contracting the virus wasn't a good thing.
    Christ.
    Didn't see the whole briefing, but judging by the clip, it sounds like Glynn was answering a question about these four stillbirths with potential links. He can't lie, so he's said there are some reports, but so far that's it.

    He's very much downplaying it, it's the media who are trying to make it a headline. Someone asked the question precisely because they knew they could make a headline about stillbirths out of the answer.


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  • #3331
    Plumbthedepths
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I understand that when making an announcement it's best to back it up with fact particularly when said announcement can cause undue stress and worry.
    Although I prefer science rather than anecdotal evidence caveated by the words may,suspect, think etc
    Edit
    Thanks for the edit after I replied


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