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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3092
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    It’s hard to believe grown adults are calling for RTÉ to be investigated and prosecuted for reporting the news.

    And reporting others who find that post a bit extreme !


  • #3093
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    The ‘personal freedom’ line if funny...

    If I drive out of my residence, 30 seconds later I arrive at a set of traffic lights, they are red... I decide to drive through them, narrowly missing a child and their parents... Garda car pulls me over, Garda is writing me a ticket, gives me a bollocking, should I say... “sorry guard, put that pen away please and put a sock in it, my personal freedom should dictate I can drive on my way through that red light...”

    Should a pub be able to serve 24/7 ?

    Should a 737 be able to land at Dublin airport without ATC clearance ?

    Should I be able to park my car on a double yellow ?

    None of the above is doable, all of it is prohibited by law... to keep everyone well, healthy and alive....

    Personal freedoms impinged upon ? Nope. :)


  • #3094
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    So what do you think we should do then ?
    Ignore Covid and Covid deaths?
    I don't think any health care professional is or will ever ignore other illness and death .
    But there are limits to what we or our system can cope with and unfortunately a rampant infectious disease in hospital and the community greatly affects our ability to deal with other non infectious illness and disease, as we have found .
    Hopefully now numbers going down and vaccinations rolling out we will be able to get back to proactive treatment for everything .
    But yes, there will be long waiting lists and a lot of pressure on everyone trying to catch up with all the missed treatment .
    And no doubt it will lead to deaths caused by delayed treatment .

    I would like to see extensive funds for NTPF referrals to private hospitals for delayed treatments , but as this just pumps money into the private system it is a stopgap that doesn't really solve the crises in the public health system .
    What we need is more beds and more doctors and more nurses trained and working in the public system .

    In my ideal world there are units with Advanced Nurse Specialists seeing and treating patients and referring those they cannot treat to consultant led teams .
    This is already happening but requires more targeted funds and especially towards encouraging senior staff to further their education to masters and PhD level and support from their medical colleagues , not just money but childcare and leave .
    Other countries are miles ahead of us , with all of this in place since the 1990s .
    In fairness everyone now sees how this improves access and flow of care now , but still a long way to go .

    I agree with you. Think there’s some great suggestions there. The health service has worked very hard throughout all of this and they deserve our respect for that.
    I just don’t like the assumption that the only deaths that are happening due to this crisis are deaths caused by Covid. We need to be more realistic about how to move forward and keep awareness campaigns going for other serious illnesses. I think last summer they were slow to reopen the private hospitals to general care for instance.
    I agree I think they need to keep funding up in the health service to try & tackle the backlog.


  • #3095
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    It’s hard to believe grown adults are calling for RTÉ to be investigated and prosecuted for reporting the news.

    Is it any different from people calling for social media platforms to remove posts organising events like last weeks protests?


  • #3096
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I agree with you. Think there’s some great suggestions there. The health service has worked very hard throughout all of this and they deserve our respect for that.
    I just don’t like the assumption that the only deaths that are happening due to this crisis are deaths caused by Covid. We need to be more realistic about how to move forward and keep awareness campaigns going for other serious illnesses. I think last summer they were slow to reopen the private hospitals to general care for instance.
    I agree I think they need to keep funding up in the health service to try & tackle the backlog.

    Respect certainly. Although I think, the best way to respect them is to be restrictions compliant and go over and above and ensure you do not get and spread covid....

    I know a person working in healthcare who is quite fed up of the applause, plaudits, the #covidheroes carry on... and would just prefer if people didn’t catch and spread it... they and colleagues would value that.. people respecting restrictions and the health of everybody.

    Of course all the attention seeking and virtue signalers with #covidheroes and all the rest like to be seen to be on the right side but ... then “ ahhh I haven’t seen xxxxx for x long “


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  • #3097
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Strumms wrote: »
    The ‘personal freedom’ line if funny...

    If I drive out of my residence, 30 seconds later I arrive at a set of traffic lights, they are red... I decide to drive through them, narrowly missing a child and their parents... Garda car pulls me over, Garda is writing me a ticket, gives me a bollocking, should I say... “sorry guard, put that pen away please and put a sock in it, my personal freedom should dictate I can drive on my way through that red light...”

    Should a pub be able to serve 24/7 ?

    Should a 737 be able to land at Dublin airport without ATC clearance ?

    Should I be able to park my car on a double yellow ?

    None of the above is doable, all of it is prohibited by law... to keep everyone well, healthy and alive....

    Personal freedoms impinged upon ? Nope. :)

    You're actually gone off the deep end here.

    Do you not see the difference between those and not being able to have a friend over to your private residence? Or not being allowed to go more than 5km from your home?

    So where do you draw the line for new laws? Sure the government can put through whatever they want, Strumms says its alright because sure don't we already have traffic lights?

    If you don't realise why 'personal freedoms' are important...


  • #3098
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Strumms wrote: »
    Sounds a bit naziesque of you..

    What is the state actually to do about a broadcaster who investigated a news story, reported on it, consistently ?

    Don’t like the news or the angle the journalists and station take ? Ohhh, let’s go after them...

    Luckily in a democracy, things don’t work like that. ;). You can, in a democracy, just change the channel ;)

    You're right I could change the channel but as long as the government insists on making it illegal for me to have a device capable of recieving a broadcast without paying the state broadcaster for the privilege you can be damn sure I will expect integrity and honesty form said state broadcaster.


  • #3099
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    PowerToWait wrote: »
    It’s hard to believe grown adults are calling for RTÉ to be investigated and prosecuted for reporting the news.

    Who's calling for RTE to be prosecuted for reporting the news?
    I have suggested RTE should be investigated for their behaviour since 2020. It is not the job of the state broadcaster to scare the crap out of the population. Their job is to report the news in an unbiased agenda free basis.


  • #3100
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,021 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    AdamD wrote: »
    You're actually gone off the deep end here.

    Do you not see the difference between those and not being able to have a friend over to your private residence? Or not being allowed to go more than 5km from your home?

    So where do you draw the line for new laws? Sure the government can put through whatever they want, Strumms says its alright because sure don't we already have traffic lights?

    If you don't realise why 'personal freedoms' are important...

    I certainly realize why personal freedoms are important.

    But... the state of the world, the health crises, the nature of the virus is what tempers these personal freedoms and readjusts how we enjoy life...for now.

    I’d like that people focus more on personal responsibility while this is ongoing...

    About themselves being part of the solution as opposed to exacerbating this terrible problem...not seen that enough.


  • #3101
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    I agree with you. Think there’s some great suggestions there. The health service has worked very hard throughout all of this and they deserve our respect for that.
    I just don’t like the assumption that the only deaths that are happening due to this crisis are deaths caused by Covid. We need to be more realistic about how to move forward and keep awareness campaigns going for other serious illnesses. I think last summer they were slow to reopen the private hospitals to general care for instance.
    I agree I think they need to keep funding up in the health service to try & tackle the backlog.

    Agree , last summer was disgraceful on so many levels .
    Private hospitals should have been used to keep non Covid going and screening was way too slow starting back , but a lot of knowledge has been gained since then .
    I just hope the HSE and health services don't go backwards again but keep pushing forward to try to make up for lost time .


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  • #3102
    wes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,749 ✭✭✭✭wes


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Just Texas as yet . Republican governor , kicking back against Biden .
    God love those people being used as political pawns .

    Its a distraction from the mess they made of the winter storm, with rolling blackoutss, and people homes being wrecked etc. The blackouts were directly due to Republican policies.

    Basically, they got a bunch of people killed, and they are now trying to kill some more with further stupidity. Doubly so, as the US will have vaccines for everyone end of May. Its a perfect example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.


  • #3103
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,290 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    wes wrote: »
    Its a distraction from the mess they made of the winter storm, with rolling blackoutss, and people homes being wrecked etc. The blackouts were directly due to Republican policies.

    Basically, they got a bunch of people killed, and they are now trying to kill some more with further stupidity. Doubly so, as the US will have vaccines for everyone end of May. Its a perfect example of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

    Between that and Ted goes to Mexico ;)


  • #3104
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,949 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    Indo wrote:
    Former Fianna Fáil minister Dara Calleary told his party it is hard to have confidence in the HSE to deliver the vaccination programme given the progress to date.

    It’s hard to have confidence the HSE will keep the lights on at this rate. This be the same HSE that asked if a child still has autism or employing dangerous “doctors” with dubious credentials*

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-doctors-being-hired-by-hse-judge-warns-37505034.html

    I’d rate the service a very generous 1. Midwestern Health board a 4.


  • #3105
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,907 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    You've no idea of the details of this case to start throwing out baseless accusations like there are no close contacts in a school environment.

    After 12 months I thought people would stop pushing these conspiracy theories about schools.

    Seems not.

    No conspiracy theories needed.
    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    3 students in my sister's class were out with covid . She wasn't deemed a close contact . But she felt unwell a few days later and got a test . Positive . Unfortunately brought it home and her kid and husband got it .

    Now that should be a school outbreak but it would go down as a household outbreak .

    Such nonsense yet the gullible believe the stats

    This is not the first instance mentioned on boards of someone indicating a case most likely contracted in a school environment, was discounted as being through a close contact in school.

    In an earlier post a user indicated that a contact tracer had indicated that, despite agreeing a case was most likely contracted through a close contact in school, recorded a case as community transmission because there was a slight chance it may have been contracted elsewhere.



    The UK are implementing routine testing in schools.

    Research has shown that, across multiple countries, closing universities and schools has consistently had the greatest single impact on the spread of CoViD. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/371/6531/eabd9338

    Using a different definition for close contacts in schools than in any other closed environment just doesn't make sense.

    At worst, where there is a confirmed case in a school, screening the whole class would help confirm the level (or not) of transmission in schools. Such screening has been carried out in other work environments such as meat processors and care homes. Why treat schooly any differently?


  • #3106
    Kunta Kinte
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 718 ✭✭✭Kunta Kinte


    Strumms wrote: »
    UEFA have done this country fûck all in the way of favors over the years, the opposite in fact very much the opposite , ..so it’s little surprise they are trying to bully us to achieve their goals...

    We will lose fûck all by passing the opportunity of having four football matches here... be great to be part of the Euros...but the cost in terms of health would be prohibitive..

    But the vast numbers of Gardai, stewards, TV people, hospitality, catering, matchday staff...and other associated required jobs and people working in close quarters would be tough.... you are talking literally thousands, how there wouldn’t be outbreaks....

    The scheduled games probably will be taken away from Dublin. I suppose it would be more annoying if the Ireland team had actually managed to qualify for the tournament. Anyway if it happens it happens. Not the end of the world.


  • #3107
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    Kunta Kinte wrote: »
    The scheduled games probably will be taken away from Dublin. I suppose it would be more annoying if the Ireland team had actually managed to qualify for the tournament. Anyway if it happens it happens. Not the end of the world.

    Even if we were in it, wouldn’t exactly be Italia 90 levels of excitement with all that’s going on. These Euros will be a diluted experience unfortunately.


  • #3108
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    Gael23 wrote: »
    The minister should resign if this happens
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/dublin-to-lose-euro-2020-hosting-rights-for-postponed-games-1090665.html?fbclid=IwAR1lXgGDJbCF222dGxEFdTdRWdxNAPy8PuNOZ5v7t8MxS8S7v_6SpafMsIM

    Its no loss. we will do with that coming here


  • #3109
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,625 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Ah John mcguirk, he’s emerged from the woodwork again

    He’s become similar to wifi Jesus paddy, happy to prey on those who don’t want to listen to reason to further his own cause. Similar to how he acted during the 8th debate.

    He had no reason being on prime time And the gript is a nonsensical far right toilet paper.

    He is Mr. Miriam O Callaghan or Mr. Karen Koster?
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #3110
    Midlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Midlife


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    You're right I could change the channel but as long as the government insists on making it illegal for me to have a device capable of recieving a broadcast without paying the state broadcaster for the privilege you can be damn sure I will expect integrity and honesty form said state broadcaster.

    Seems like a really pointless thing to do with your time.

    You're angry at paying a TV license so you're going to watch RTE and get more angry.

    I'd find that exhausting.


  • #3111
    PowerToWait
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭PowerToWait


    Midlife wrote: »
    Seems like a really pointless thing to do with your time.

    You're angry at paying a TV license so you're going to watch RTE and get more angry.

    I'd find that exhausting.

    There’s a lot of pointless anger in this thread.


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  • #3112
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Grab All Association wrote: »
    It’s hard to have confidence the HSE will keep the lights on at this rate. This be the same HSE that asked if a child still has autism or employing dangerous “doctors” with dubious credentials*

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dangerous-doctors-being-hired-by-hse-judge-warns-37505034.html

    I’d rate the service a very generous 1. Midwestern Health board a 4.
    While the HSE has many issues to address assuming that they automatically transfer to a vaccination programme that has administered about 500,000 requires evidence. TDs who are clearly employing useless researchers are not that evidence. Then again landing a few digs on the HSE at least once a week is what many live for. It's supply, it's always been supply issues, which will start to ease from April.


  • #3113
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,318 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Is it any different from people calling for social media platforms to remove posts organising events like last weeks protests?

    Yep quite different to holding organisers of riot responsible.


  • #3114
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Yep quite different to holding organisers of riot responsible.

    One lad shot a firework.

    It wasnt a riot.

    Calm down.


  • #3115
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    One lad shot a firework.

    It wasnt a riot.

    Calm down.

    It's a bit of a cynical twist to refer to a firework deliberately and specifically aimed at the head of a garda, as just shooting a firework. But it's par for the course in your attitude to anything covid related.


  • #3116
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    How the hell are there no close contacts?
    I really believe it is so they can say schools are safe.
    That's the only logical conclusion.
    It's a joke. Believe what you want to believe at this stage.

    Let's look at the number of "family outbreaks" sky rocket then blame people who live in a house with kids.
    A Cork secondary school has been informed of a confirmed case of Covid-19 in the school.


    "No member of staff or student has been deemed to be a close contact of the confirmed case by the HSE.”

    https://twitter.com/GininaTeacup1/status/1367149104497897482?s=20


  • #3117
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    It's a bit of a cynical twist to refer to a firework deliberately and specifically aimed at the head of a garda, as just shooting a firework. But it's par for the course in your attitude to anything covid related.

    Its still what happened.

    It wasnt a "riot".

    Calm down pet.


  • #3118
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,318 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    One lad shot a firework.

    It wasnt a riot.

    Calm down.

    How did a different Garda break his ankle then?

    Do you generally find "protests" you are involved in result in 20+ arrests and multiple injured Gardai?


  • #3119
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Dara Calleary fancies himself as a contender for the next FF leader.

    That's why he's making so much noise at the moment, using incompetent researchers and incorrect information to take shots at his own party leadership.


  • #3120
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    pjohnson wrote: »
    How did a different Garda break his ankle then?

    Do you generally find "protests" you are involved in result in 20+ arrests and multiple injured Gardai?

    I dont know, I wasnt there. Maybe they just fell over.

    Always get a few arrests at any protest. Tensions are high.

    No buildings were vandalized, no cars burned out and no deaths to the best of my knowledge. Not a riot.


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  • #3121
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    How the hell are there no close contacts?
    I really believe it is so they can say schools are safe.
    That's the only logical conclusion.
    It's a joke. Believe what you want to believe at this stage.

    Let's look at the number of "family outbreaks" sky rocket then blame people who live in a house with kids.



    https://twitter.com/GininaTeacup1/status/1367149104497897482?s=20

    I presume that the student could only have been at school on Monday, with strict social distancing, masks etc


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