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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3152
    [Deleted User]
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    rusty cole wrote: »
    lets assume for one moment a lone front line parent pick us covid in work and is 100% asymptomatic. Now assume the 3 kids pick it up from the parent on Monday and bring it to school. On their lunch break they go outside in the sun, pass phones to their friends and stand close, cough or sneeze even once out into atmosphere..
    now many kids have it yes?? and many will have asymptomatic cases yes.
    They will go home and give it to their parents, who will be symptom free perhaps also which explains how this virus thrives and explodes...now who's to blame??? the 1 parent who has no idea they have it and picked it up working in hospital (perhaps a chef for example) or the many many children who now spread it through households at an alarming rate??. you cannot expect one to be responsible for the many when you are providing a setting for it to surge again. schools need to stay close I think too or the adults will never get out of this.

    If the kids pick it up on the Monday it will be at least Thursday before they are infectious. In that time there is a strong chance that the outbreak will be detected. Asymptomatic isn't as common as some think as evidence by the fact the there was only a moderate slowdown in the decline in case numbers when we restarted testing contacts


  • #3153
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I presume that the student could only have been at school on Monday, with strict social distancing, masks etc
    The problem is, in any other environment, 30 people sharing a relatively small enclosed space where social distancing is effectively impossible, would all be deemed close contacts and be tested.

    People would have more confidence if the entire class was tested if there is a case in a school, however our departments of health and education + skills seem happy to bury their collective heads in the sand and hope for the best.


  • #3154
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,732 ✭✭✭scamalert


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    The issue is not the kids getting covid, or evrn the teachers for the most part. The issue is provoding a link in the chain of community transmission that leads to elderly/vulnerable getting covid via so called household transmission down the line. Which is really got picked up in school by kids and brought home.
    I have no dog in the schools race anyway. Just pointing out logic. Good weather gear and largely outdoor forest-style schools for shorter hours would be a lovely idea for kids, in my opinion. Even without covid! Lots of people work outdoors all year round very effectively and don't grow an extra head or anything. There is something perverse about forced sitting at desks in crowded rooms for long hours - maybe we will evolve as a species past that as we grow up.
    forest style schools :pac::confused:
    now i get it goverment made balls with stupid rules, people cant go running or whatever the fck is ones passion, as its ridicilous to ban activities like outdoors parks sports etc, yet you can go into aldi to mix with 50 people anytime. outdoors work is prob the safest there is.


    but your idea above seems getting back to old ages then evolving.
    as same ive no stakes in schools, but since its been balls since last year, its coming to the point where students had x10 more free time then they spend learning, ive no suggestions what could of been done better as its past point. but goverment handled this pandemic upside down and in reverse


  • #3155
    FishOnABike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,908 ✭✭✭FishOnABike


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    All kids nearly have phones now, surely most have the app to show close contacts, there is only one year back at school, surely they are in the biggest area possible, well ventilated

    Nothing has changed in the classroom. My daughter's school has approx. 200 6th years. Corridors and the cafeteria are much less crowded but the same numbers are in the same classes not even an arm's length apart. Classrooms haven't gotten any bigger.


  • #3156
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    scamalert wrote: »
    forest style schools :pac::confused:
    now i get it goverment made balls with stupid rules, people cant go running or whatever the fck is ones passion, as its ridicilous to ban activities like outdoors parks sports etc, yet you can go into aldi to mix with 50 people anytime. outdoors work is prob the safest there is.


    but your idea above seems getting back to old ages then evolving.
    as same ive no stakes in schools, but since its been balls since last year, its coming to the point where students had x10 more free time then they spend learning, ive no suggestions what could of been done better as its past point. but goverment handled this pandemic upside down and in reverse

    It is done in Scandinavian countries and elsewhere. Far from a backwards notion. Just needs open-minded futuristic people to do it. It will probably take a long time before we countenance it in a concerted way though there are appatently 75 forest schools in Ireland already. Theres a fresh breeze mind blower for you - you are welcome.


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  • #3157
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If the kids pick it up on the Monday it will be at least Thursday before they are infectious. In that time there is a strong chance that the outbreak the infected. Asymptomatic isn't as common as some think as evidence by the fact the there was only a moderate slowdown in the decline in case numbers when we restarted testing contacts

    Why bother testing close contacts at all so ?


  • #3158
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Why bother testing close contacts at all so ?

    You pick up the people that the original person has passed it on to. You might also catch the person that gave it to them if they have ongoing contact.

    Many countries do it properly and trace back much further, but we don't.


  • #3159
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    You pick up the people that the original person has passed it on to. You might also catch the person that gave it to them if they have ongoing contact.

    Many countries do it properly and trace back much further, but we don't.

    seriously who cares about implementing track and trace at this stage??

    The vaccine is the only show in town. Still obsessing about track and trace is a bit weird to be honest.


  • #3160
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    lawred2 wrote: »
    seriously who cares about implementing track and trace at this stage??

    The vaccine is the only show in town. Still obsessing about track and trace is a bit weird to be honest.

    Track and trace helps curb the spread which opens things quicker - seems for more proactive than sitting on our hands, waiting until September when everyone is vaccinated


  • #3161
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    Track and trace helps curb the spread which opens things quicker - seems for more proactive than sitting on our hands, waiting until September when everyone is vaccinated

    restrictions are curbing the spread

    as much as you mightn't like to hear it - there will be no interest or appetite in heavy investment at this stage in the types of contact tracing that some people on here seem to want..

    It'd be maybe functional (unlikely) when there'd be no more need for it


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  • #3162
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    lawred2 wrote: »
    restrictions are curbing the spread

    We can surely have a multi faceted approach?


  • #3163
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,772 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Sofa King Great wrote: »
    We can surely have a multi faceted approach?

    Yeah but time, money and logisitics get in the way of ideals


  • #3164
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    lawred2 wrote: »
    seriously who cares about implementing track and trace at this stage??

    The vaccine is the only show in town. Still obsessing about track and trace is a bit weird to be honest.
    We'll still need it for future cases, which should be in far smaller numbers anyway but it will need to show a better ability to cordon off outbreaks.


  • #3165
    [Deleted User]
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    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Why bother testing close contacts at all so ?

    Its contact tracing that picks up the outbreaks. You are not infectious the moment you catch the virus.


  • #3166
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    lawred2 wrote: »
    seriously who cares about implementing track and trace at this stage??

    The vaccine is the only show in town. Still obsessing about track and trace is a bit weird to be honest.
    I think you meant, "Who care about improving test and trace"?

    3 months ago from today was the 4th of December.

    Think about everything that has happened in those 3 months.

    3 months from now is the 4th of June. By then we might have 50% fully vaccinated.

    So think about what can still happen in the next 3 months. Our response to this needs to remain as robust as it has been, if not moreso.


  • #3167
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Looks like the €2000 fine for travelling from Dublin airport has just become redundant.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0304/1200918-ryanair-belfast-routes/


  • #3168
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 350 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    The fact we don't have a functional test and trace system in place a year on from the start of this is a disgrace and probably the single biggest failing of the government to this point.


  • #3169
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Looks like the €2000 fine for travelling from Dublin airport has just become redundant.
    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0304/1200918-ryanair-belfast-routes/

    BuT whY wOn't ThE goVeRNMenT GO zERo COVid?


  • #3170
    Stateofyou
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭Stateofyou


    lawred2 wrote: »
    restrictions are curbing the spread

    as much as you mightn't like to hear it - there will be no interest or appetite in heavy investment at this stage in the types of contact tracing that some people on here seem to want..

    It'd be maybe functional (unlikely) when there'd be no more need for it

    Then how will we find new strains if one develops. We also have an international duty do we not, to curb spread as best we can to prevent this happening. Also as someone who has kids in the school system, I would prefer we are aware of cases in the schools (if they're not obfuscated again) thank you very much.


  • #3171
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    seamus wrote: »
    BuT whY wOn't ThE goVeRNMenT GO zERo COVid?

    I'm sure it will get a mention during the weekly Zero Covid nonsense discussion, usually a Saturday right?


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  • #3172
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    I'm sure it will get a mention during the weekly Zero Covid nonsense discussion, usually a Saturday right?

    Next on RTE1, The two minutes hate, with Prof Sam McConkey


  • #3173
    wadacrack
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    Explains why we are being cautions in this country. Eastern Europe is really struggling

    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1367483063697960961


  • #3174
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,928 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    What are we likely to do, reopen now we have cases down to 300, have a summer, and then shut down again for Fall, Winter and Spring.
    Are we that stupid, or will we actually do it right his time around?


  • #3175
    Plumbthedepths
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    What are we likely to do, reopen now we have cases down to 300, have a summer, and then shut down again for Fall, Winter and Spring.
    Are we that stupid, or will we actually do it right his time around?

    Vaccination wasn't a factor last Summer.


  • #3176
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,928 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Vaccination wasn't a factor last Summer.


    But we've not vaccinated anywhere near enough people yet, we need to have at least 1.8m done.


  • #3177
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    What are we likely to do, reopen now we have cases down to 300, have a summer, and then shut down again for Fall, Winter and Spring.
    Are we that stupid, or will we actually do it right his time around?

    Last time we locked down till mid summer, had cases down to 10 or so, and still shut down for Fall Winter and Spring.

    So please enlighten us all as to how we can "do it right" this time?


  • #3178
    Coybig_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭Coybig_


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    What are we likely to do, reopen now we have cases down to 300, have a summer, and then shut down again for Fall, Winter and Spring.
    Are we that stupid, or will we actually do it right his time around?

    Why would we have to shut down again once the population is vaccinated? Ridiculous suggestion.

    We can reopen quicker than we have been and keep cases low, as vaccinations increase and the seasonality factor will help also.

    There is no reason for certain draconian restrictions right now and if the public were given something back then it would go a long way to stopping the nihilistic behaviour from people who have very understandably had enough.

    Compliance is going to fall off a cliff once the vulnerable and elderly are vaccinated. Like it or not, restrictions for all intents and purposes will end then.


  • #3179
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    But we've not vaccinated anywhere near enough people yet, we need to have at least 1.8m done.
    We'll have 1.8m done in June.


  • #3180
    Westernyelp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,412 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    BorneTobyWilde wrote:
    What are we likely to do, reopen now we have cases down to 300, have a summer, and then shut down again for Fall, Winter and Spring. Are we that stupid, or will we actually do it right his time around?


    But what about autumn?


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  • #3181
    timmyntc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,653 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    But we've not vaccinated anywhere near enough people yet, we need to have at least 1.8m done.

    We don't need 1.8m done to start opening up.
    All we need are over 75s and those with medical conditions that leave them vulnerable.


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