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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #3122
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,295 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Its still what happened.

    It wasnt a "riot".

    Calm down pet.

    Don't 'pet' me. It may seem smart to you but it comes across as childish.

    This incident wasn't a party or a fireworks display either.


  • #3123
    phormium
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,483 ✭✭✭phormium


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    He is Mr. Miriam O Callaghan or Mr. Karen Koster?

    Neither, you're thinking of Tom McGurk who was married to Miriam, Karen Koster is married to John McGuire, QuoteDevil guy.


  • #3124
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I presume that the student could only have been at school on Monday, with strict social distancing, masks etc

    Just on this point. Honestly I cannot understand people's reasoning with this kind of stuff.
    "Strict" before social distancing makes it sound like it has morphed into super duper magic. And the kids are generally wearing bits of cotton.
    The gaps in the material are not sufficient to hold in or keep out the much smaller virus particles. Ffp2 or other high grade masks would have some chance but most people do not use them. Especially kids. And I understand why...they are stuffy and uncomfortable.
    So if someone in a class room has covid, ordinary cloth masks and standing a bit back does not stop the potential inhalation by some others of air borne virus, especially when people are in the same space for hours. This is just simple reality.


  • #3125
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Just on this point. Honestly I cannot understand people's reasoning with this kind of stuff.
    "Strict" before social distancing makes it sound like it has morphed into super duper magic. And the kids are generally wearing bits of cotton.
    The gaps in the material are not sufficient to hold in or keep out the much smaller virus particles. Ffp2 or other high grade masks would have some chance but most people do not use them. Especially kids. And I understand why...they are stuffy and uncomfortable.
    So if someone in a class room has covid, ordinary cloth masks and standing a bit back does not stop the potential inhalation by some others of air borne virus, especially when people are in the same space for hours. This is just simple reality.

    All kids nearly have phones now, surely most have the app to show close contacts, there is only one year back at school, surely they are in the biggest area possible, well ventilated


  • #3126
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Just on this point. Honestly I cannot understand people's reasoning with this kind of stuff.
    "Strict" before social distancing makes it sound like it has morphed into super duper magic. And the kids are generally wearing bits of cotton.
    The gaps in the material are not sufficient to hold in or keep out the much smaller virus particles. Ffp2 or other high grade masks would have some chance but most people do not use them. Especially kids. And I understand why...they are stuffy and uncomfortable.
    So if someone in a class room has covid, ordinary cloth masks and standing a bit back does not stop the potential inhalation by some others of air borne virus, especially when people are in the same space for hours. This is just simple reality.


    Yeah even with masks especially the types which are not well fitting or not graded as you describe. 30 people in a room for any length of time is a risk and one which is not quantified or know unless people are tested after exposure.

    Watch the video if you don't believe it. It's hard to judge because it's invisible but this very sensitive IR camera shows just where it goes.

    With a mask it may not go direct but it doesn't need to as it'll hang in the air.

    https://twitter.com/grahamja51/status/1367339730103377922?s=20


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  • #3127
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭UsBus


    A family member had a conversation when visited by a GP. The GP mentioned having been approached by a number of individuals requesting they don't receive the vaccine but want the paperwork to reflect they did get it. GP said they felt quite intimidated by their approach in requesting this. Worrying if this happens in other areas of the country.


  • #3128
    bennyineire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,518 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    I don't get the faux outrage from people if the Euro games get pulled from Dublin.

    I'm a big soccer fan but I honestly don't think it should go ahead here, why in the world would we want thousands upon thousands of fans coming from all over Europe to Ireland in June.

    Admittedly if Ireland were in the competition I might have a different view.

    Much better to get our domestic sports open for spectators than tryin to facilitate Swedish and Slovakian fans


  • #3129
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    All kids nearly have phones now, surely most have the app to show close contacts, there is only one year back at school, surely they are in the biggest area possible, well ventilated

    Kids of 6, 7, 8, 9 have phones? Jayziz I am completely out of the loop...


  • #3130
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    bennyineire wrote: »
    I don't get the faux outrage from people if the Euro games get pulled from Dublin.

    I'm a big soccer fan but I honestly don't think it should go ahead here, why in the world would we want thousands upon thousands of fans coming from all over Europe to Ireland in June.

    Admittedly if Ireland were in the competition I might have a different view.

    Much better to get our domestic sports open for spectators than tryin to facilitate Swedish and Slovakian fans

    I'd prefer if people could play Football at grassroots and level and attend games here


  • #3131
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,173 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    I presume that the student could only have been at school on Monday, with strict social distancing, masks etc

    Or may not have even made it through the class doors.

    Fact is we don't know the facts.


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  • #3132
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,962 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    seamus wrote: »
    Dara Calleary fancies himself as a contender for the next FF leader.

    That's why he's making so much noise at the moment, using incompetent researchers and incorrect information to take shots at his own party leadership.

    I think he's scaled his ambitions down a good bit. FF on 6% in Connacht-Ulster in the latest opinion poll; my take is he's going full Healy-Rae in a desperate bid to hold his own seat...


  • #3133
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Widdensushi wrote: »
    All kids nearly have phones now, surely most have the app to show close contacts, there is only one year back at school, surely they are in the biggest area possible, well ventilated

    The official website tells you to basically ignore the alerts if you work in healthcase or schools, so...


  • #3134
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    The cases popping up in the early days of schools reopening tells me so far the students are picking up the infection at home or from doing other activities in their communities that involve mixing with others.
    The risk here is taking the infection into the classroom and putting a classroom of students at risk of contracting the virus. I think the daily covid case numbers are too high for schools to have a successful reopening. The numbers need to come down to minimise spread in schools.


  • #3135
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Strumms wrote: »
    Sounds a bit naziesque of you..

    What is the state actually to do about a broadcaster who investigated a news story, reported on it, consistently ?

    Don’t like the news or the angle the journalists and station take ? Ohhh, let’s go after them...

    Luckily in a democracy, things don’t work like that. ;). You can, in a democracy, just change the channel ;)

    Very naive perspective, in a functioning democracy there is a variety of media outlets on a level playing field. RTE is unique in that it gets the license fee and revenue from commercial advertising and have been lobbying and campaigning for a 'broadcasting charge' for years, which is within governments gift.

    So we certainly don't have a level playing field and the options for changing the channel domestically are limited.

    Incredibly naive if you think a broadcaster doesn't have the ability to shape the message and the poster you quoted is a Nazi because they recognise it?


  • #3136
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    The risk here is taking the infection into the classroom and putting a classroom of students at risk of contracting the virus. I think the daily covid case numbers are too high for schools to have a successful reopening. The numbers need to come down to minimise spread in schools.
    The daily numbers were twice as high last October with schools fully open, and they came down again.

    There's noise being made about cases in schools, because people want to make noise. If schools hadn't gone back this week, these kids would still have tested positive and we wouldn't have heard about it.

    Within 48 hours of the schools going back last September there were "reports" flooding in about positive cases in schools.

    The world didn't collapse, schools didn't become infested, teachers didn't all end up in ICU on ventilators. In fact I'm not aware of any teacher having a serious outcome as a result of catching covid in school. Have there been any?


  • #3137
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Free fees? This will be news to thousands of parents who pay registration fees every September, myself included.

    Yes but the state also covers a huge proportion of the costs. Or rather the taxpayer does.


  • #3138
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    The fact that one year into this people still talk about the virus having a one per cent fatality rate with no regard for how much we do not know about the corona virus and its long term effects on the body says all you need to know really. Such a lazy argument.


  • #3139
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    UsBus wrote: »
    A family member had a conversation when visited by a GP. The GP mentioned having been approached by a number of individuals requesting they don't receive the vaccine but want the paperwork to reflect they did get it. GP said they felt quite intimidated by their approach in requesting this. Worrying if this happens in other areas of the country.

    People requesting a GP to provide false information should be reported to the Gardai. Just for a file to be made up and kept on them at this stage if needs be later on.


  • #3140
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    seamus wrote: »
    The daily numbers were twice as high last October with schools fully open, and they came down again.

    There's noise being made about cases in schools, because people want to make noise. If schools hadn't gone back this week, these kids would still have tested positive and we wouldn't have heard about it.

    Within 48 hours of the schools going back last September there were "reports" flooding in about positive cases in schools.

    The world didn't collapse, schools didn't become infested, teachers didn't all end up in ICU on ventilators. In fact I'm not aware of any teacher having a serious outcome as a result of catching covid in school. Have there been any?

    Schools are now the new airport :)


  • #3141
    c68zapdsm5i1ru
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,709 ✭✭✭c68zapdsm5i1ru


    FionnK86 wrote: »
    They’ll have it done an hour before it’s due and all plagiarised!

    And in the full knowledge that no one will bother to read them. They were also obliged to watch the Prime Time programme on COVID in hospitals which might wake some of them up.


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  • #3142
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    The cases popping up in the early days of schools reopening tells me so far the students are picking up the infection at home or from doing other activities in their communities that involve mixing with others.
    The risk here is taking the infection into the classroom and putting a classroom of students at risk of contracting the virus. I think the daily covid case numbers are too high for schools to have a successful reopening. The numbers need to come down to minimise spread in schools.

    The schools are open since Monday and you see a rise in cases? Are you pulling the p*ss?


  • #3143
    OwenM
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭OwenM


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    People requesting a GP to provide false information should be reported to the Gardai. Just for a file to be made up and kept on them at this stage if needs be later on.

    I think what those people are asking of the GP's is sinister, nearly as sinister as the unregulated police surveillance you are suggesting.


  • #3144
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The schools are open since Monday and you see a rise in cases? Are you pulling the p*ss?

    They simply said they got it outside school as it's early days but the risk comes from them bringing into the school and if infection is passed on which takes time to show up.

    No pulling of piss as you put it.


  • #3145
    Gruffalux
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    seamus wrote: »
    The world didn't collapse, schools didn't become infested, teachers didn't all end up in ICU on ventilators. In fact I'm not aware of any teacher having a serious outcome as a result of catching covid in school. Have there been any?


    The issue is not the kids getting covid, or evrn the teachers for the most part. The issue is provoding a link in the chain of community transmission that leads to elderly/vulnerable getting covid via so called household transmission down the line. Which is really got picked up in school by kids and brought home.
    I have no dog in the schools race anyway. Just pointing out logic. Good weather gear and largely outdoor forest-style schools for shorter hours would be a lovely idea for kids, in my opinion. Even without covid! Lots of people work outdoors all year round very effectively and don't grow an extra head or anything. There is something perverse about forced sitting at desks in crowded rooms for long hours - maybe we will evolve as a species past that as we grow up.


  • #3146
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Kids of 6, 7, 8, 9 have phones? Jayziz I am completely out of the loop...

    The case was in a secondary school


  • #3147
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,072 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    The issue is not the kids getting covid, or evrn the teachers for the most part. The issue is provoding a link in the chain of community transmission that leads to elderly/vulnerable getting covid via so called household transmission down the line. Which is really got picked up in school by kids and brought home.
    I have no dog in the schools race anyway. Just pointing out logic. Good weather gear and largely outdoor forest-style schools for shorter hours would be a lovely idea for kids, in my opinion. Even without covid! Lots of people work outdoors all year round very effectively and don't grow an extra head or anything. There is something perverse about forced sitting at desks in crowded rooms for long hours - maybe we will evolve as a species past that as we grow up.

    I saw a few school children taking classes outside last year come to think of it. I'm pretty sure it was on the news too, a school made an actual outdoor classroom setup with seats made from trees etc.


  • #3148
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    seamus wrote: »
    The daily numbers were twice as high last October with schools fully open, and they came down again.

    There's noise being made about cases in schools, because people want to make noise. If schools hadn't gone back this week, these kids would still have tested positive and we wouldn't have heard about it.

    Within 48 hours of the schools going back last September there were "reports" flooding in about positive cases in schools.

    The world didn't collapse, schools didn't become infested, teachers didn't all end up in ICU on ventilators. In fact I'm not aware of any teacher having a serious outcome as a result of catching covid in school. Have there been any?

    Strange post. Anyone can make that argument. Name a barman , a waitress or a hairdresser that ended up in ICU on a ventilator .


  • #3149
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    The cases popping up in the early days of schools reopening tells me so far the students are picking up the infection at home or from doing other activities in their communities that involve mixing with others.
    The risk here is taking the infection into the classroom and putting a classroom of students at risk of contracting the virus. I think the daily covid case numbers are too high for schools to have a successful reopening. The numbers need to come down to minimise spread in schools.

    lets assume for one moment a lone front line parent pick us covid in work and is 100% asymptomatic. Now assume the 3 kids pick it up from the parent on Monday and bring it to school. On their lunch break they go outside in the sun, pass phones to their friends and stand close, cough or sneeze even once out into atmosphere..
    now many kids have it yes?? and many will have asymptomatic cases yes.
    They will go home and give it to their parents, who will be symptom free perhaps also which explains how this virus thrives and explodes...now who's to blame??? the 1 parent who has no idea they have it and picked it up working in hospital (perhaps a chef for example) or the many many children who now spread it through households at an alarming rate??. you cannot expect one to be responsible for the many when you are providing a setting for it to surge again. schools need to stay close I think too or the adults will never get out of this.


  • #3150
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,234 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    bennyineire wrote: »
    I don't get the faux outrage from people if the Euro games get pulled from Dublin.

    I'm a big soccer fan but I honestly don't think it should go ahead here, why in the world would we want thousands upon thousands of fans coming from all over Europe to Ireland in June.

    Admittedly if Ireland were in the competition I might have a different view.

    Much better to get our domestic sports open for spectators than tryin to facilitate Swedish and Slovakian fans

    UEFA have said they are happy if no foreign fans can attend. They just want a plan that some fans can attend. I have tickets and would like to go.


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  • #3151
    UsBus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭UsBus


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    People requesting a GP to provide false information should be reported to the Gardai. Just for a file to be made up and kept on them at this stage if needs be later on.

    The family member is in a nursing home. Not quite sure why the GP felt the need to communicate this info to them. Obviously a stressful time for GPs without this happening. Galway city location and the requests were all from one Eastern European country. Looks like anti-vax opinions involved.


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