COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Tippbhoy1 · 03-03-2021 06:47PM

brickster69 wrote: »

But, but ,but Macron said it was not effective in older people. The German press said it was only 8% efficeient. How could they be wrong ?

Shame the evidence couldn’t be produced at the time of approval and we’d all have avoided a whole lot of hassle. I guess the UK were in such a state at the time they had to take the risk, it’s look like it has paid off for them thankfully.

CIARAN_BOYLE · 03-03-2021 06:50PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Spain (and most of Europe) at 8% first doses, moving at about 1% per week .... that;s 92 WEEKS left just for first doses.

The never ending sh1tshow ....

Assuming things don't ramp up.

brickster69 wrote: »

But, but ,but Macron said it was not effective in older people. The German press said it was only 8% efficeient. How could they be wrong ?

**** trials. 8% of the trial group was over 50. They were 95% confident that the efficacy in older people is somewhere between 8 and 92%.

Hopefully some useful data has since been gathered that would allow agencies to be comfortable recommending the vaccine to older people.

stefanovich · 03-03-2021 07:02PM

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Shame the evidence couldn’t be produced at the time of approval and we’d all have avoided a whole lot of hassle. I guess the UK were in such a state at the time they had to take the risk, it’s look like it has paid off for them thankfully.

The risk of losing money?

DylanJM · 03-03-2021 07:11PM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Spain (and most of Europe) at 8% first doses, moving at about 1% per week .... that;s 92 WEEKS left just for first doses.

The never ending sh1tshow ....

Do you really believe it's going to take nearly 2 years to complete first doses? Come on ffs. It's been said time and time and time again that deliveries will ramp up over the coming weeks and months. Most EU countries are hoping to offer all adults first doses by mid summer.

Neamhshuntasach · 03-03-2021 07:18PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

my sources have told me the vaccination setup is incredible tbh

I know what I know. What I know says its an unreal setup.

There's a lot of disdain for the HSE in my household for a number of reasons despite them contributing to one half of our combined salaries. But when it comes to the vaccine rollout and the set up and what they're doing with the vaccines we receive. From what I have heard, I can't fault it and completely agree with what you've been hearing. And it would be from sources very close to it also. One being the misses who is sticking them in people's arms.

wadacrack · 03-03-2021 08:10PM

Impressive

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1367179841217306626

speckle · 03-03-2021 08:30PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Is there any more information on who is in or out of Group 4? I am on immunosuppressing treatment not mentioned in Group 4 but I can't get any clarity on whether that incudes my treatment:

- treatment included but not limited to Cyclophosphamide, Rituximab, Alemtuzumab, Cladribine or Ocrelizumab in the last 6 months

Rang my GP and he said they had got no clarification from the HSE despite asking. Can't get any clarification on what the "but not limited to" actually means in terms of specifics.

Try looking here and talk to your gp/specialist..

https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/using-covid-19-vaccines-in-patient-taking-immunosuppressive-medicines/

SwordofLight · 03-03-2021 08:44PM

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expectationlost · 03-03-2021 08:49PM

Varadkar also told FG PP he still expects more than 80% of adults to be offered their first dose by the end of June and for all adults to be vaccinated by September

why do they keep using this 80% of adults line what about the other 20%?

DylanJM · 03-03-2021 09:07PM

expectationlost wrote: »

why do they keep using this 80% of adults line what about the other 20%?

"more than 80%" it says. He's covering his arse. Also certain groups may not be eligible e.g pregnant women.

Stark · 03-03-2021 09:08PM

Would expect a certain number of adults will refuse outright. According to polls it's likely about 85% of adults will volunteer to take it.

expectationlost · 03-03-2021 09:14PM

DylanJM wrote: »

"more than 80%" it says. He's covering his arse. Also certain groups may not be eligible e.g pregnant women.

its not about who may choose not to take it, its about how many will be _offered_ it

Zhane · 03-03-2021 09:15PM

expectationlost wrote: »

why do they keep using this 80% of adults line what about the other 20%?

You’ll also have people who’ll refuse to take it.

brickster69 · 03-03-2021 09:16PM

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1367204433730412546

Water John · 03-03-2021 09:17PM

Those who don't take a vaccine offered to them, can take their chances.

expectationlost · 03-03-2021 09:18PM

Zhane wrote: »

You’ll also have people who’ll refuse to take it.

80% of adults to be offered

!!!

Miike · 03-03-2021 09:18PM

snowcat wrote: »

Why did this not show up in the vaccine testing. It does not happen with other vaccines

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/swollen-lymph-nodes/105170/

Swollen lymph nodes did show up in the trials of each of the mRNA vaccines. It's been published and talked about since P1 trials.

pc7 · 03-03-2021 09:19PM

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1367204433730412546

We should try buy them off the French

Zhane · 03-03-2021 09:20PM

expectationlost wrote: »

!!!

You have to be offered it to refuse it....

snowcat · 03-03-2021 09:20PM

Water John wrote: »

Those who don't take a vaccine offered to them, can take their chances.

Im not sure what you mean. Take your chance with a different vaccine or the virus itself? Id love to know if sputnik or sinovac are approved here how many would queue up to take it

expectationlost · 03-03-2021 09:21PM

Zhane wrote: »

You have to be offered it to refuse it....

but he is not suggesting they going to offer it to 100% and then 80% will take it up, he saying they will only be offering it to 80% by June, why is that a useful figure? what about the other 20%

Water John · 03-03-2021 09:23PM

snowcat wrote: »

Im not sure what you mean. Take your chance with a different vaccine or the virus itself? Id love to know if sputnik or sinovac are approved here how many would queue up to take it

You mean, you'll have Sputnik and Sinovac for the lefties. What will they give to the right wing nut jobs?

Zhane · 03-03-2021 09:26PM

expectationlost wrote: »

but he is not suggesting they going to offer it to 100% and then 80% will take it up, he saying they will only be offering it to 80% by June, why is that useful figure?

Sorry I misread the original post, I apologise.

At a guess, The 80% is a high enough number to reach based on supply, any higher than that and they’d count it as a success so they can pat themselves on the back.

namloc1980 · 03-03-2021 09:31PM

speckle wrote: »

Try looking here and talk to your gp/specialist..

https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/using-covid-19-vaccines-in-patient-taking-immunosuppressive-medicines/

I did speak to my GP. That's what I said in my post. He can't get any clarity from the HSE and is just getting the run around.

SwordofLight · 03-03-2021 09:31PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You lost me at the 3rd paragraph because it is just absolutely not spreading in Ireland

As far as I know we are at 15 or 20 cases, and it doubles every week, so a bit early yet to say it isn't spreading?

brickster69 · 03-03-2021 09:31PM

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Assuming things don't ramp up.

**** trials. 8% of the trial group was over 50. They were 95% confident that the efficacy in older people is somewhere between 8 and 92%.

Hopefully some useful data has since been gathered that would allow agencies to be comfortable recommending the vaccine to older people.

Useful data, what more data are you asking for?

Hundreds of millions of older people around the world taking the vaccine. Virtually no risk from it, no severe infections, no going to hospital and no deaths.

Pure stupidity which will now be costing lives.

Water John · 03-03-2021 09:32PM

With the vaccine being so effective, 80%+ will be enough.

speckle · 03-03-2021 09:33PM

study to explore covid vaccine response in people with impaired immune systems

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/covid-vaccine-response-in-patients-with-impaired-immune-systems/105207/

brickster69 · 03-03-2021 09:35PM

pc7 wrote: »

We should try buy them off the French

No good talking about it

ACitizenErased · 03-03-2021 09:39PM

SwordofLight wrote: »

As far as I know we are at 15 or 20 cases, and it doubles every week, so a bit early yet to say it isn't spreading?

The last update was 15 cases, all of which are people who have arrived from south africa. That sounds like not spreading to me.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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