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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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No anti-vax stuff in this thread - it's to discuss the various vaccines available and how they are getting rolled out, as well as testing procedures

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Tippbhoy1

brickster69 wrote: »

But, but ,but Macron said it was not effective in older people. The German press said it was only 8% efficeient. How could they be wrong ?

Shame the evidence couldn’t be produced at the time of approval and we’d all have avoided a whole lot of hassle. I guess the UK were in such a state at the time they had to take the risk, it’s look like it has paid off for them thankfully.

CIARAN_BOYLE

Hector Savage wrote: »

Spain (and most of Europe) at 8% first doses, moving at about 1% per week .... that;s 92 WEEKS left just for first doses.

The never ending sh1tshow ....

Assuming things don't ramp up.

brickster69 wrote: »

But, but ,but Macron said it was not effective in older people. The German press said it was only 8% efficeient. How could they be wrong ?

**** trials. 8% of the trial group was over 50. They were 95% confident that the efficacy in older people is somewhere between 8 and 92%.

Hopefully some useful data has since been gathered that would allow agencies to be comfortable recommending the vaccine to older people.

stefanovich

Tippbhoy1 wrote: »

Shame the evidence couldn’t be produced at the time of approval and we’d all have avoided a whole lot of hassle. I guess the UK were in such a state at the time they had to take the risk, it’s look like it has paid off for them thankfully.

The risk of losing money?

DylanJM

Hector Savage wrote: »

Spain (and most of Europe) at 8% first doses, moving at about 1% per week .... that;s 92 WEEKS left just for first doses.

The never ending sh1tshow ....

Do you really believe it's going to take nearly 2 years to complete first doses? Come on ffs. It's been said time and time and time again that deliveries will ramp up over the coming weeks and months. Most EU countries are hoping to offer all adults first doses by mid summer.

Neamhshuntasach

ACitizenErased wrote: »

my sources have told me the vaccination setup is incredible tbh

I know what I know. What I know says its an unreal setup.

There's a lot of disdain for the HSE in my household for a number of reasons despite them contributing to one half of our combined salaries. But when it comes to the vaccine rollout and the set up and what they're doing with the vaccines we receive. From what I have heard, I can't fault it and completely agree with what you've been hearing. And it would be from sources very close to it also. One being the misses who is sticking them in people's arms.

wadacrack

Impressive

https://twitter.com/profshanecrotty/status/1367179841217306626

speckle

namloc1980 wrote: »

Is there any more information on who is in or out of Group 4? I am on immunosuppressing treatment not mentioned in Group 4 but I can't get any clarity on whether that incudes my treatment:

- treatment included but not limited to Cyclophosphamide, Rituximab, Alemtuzumab, Cladribine or Ocrelizumab in the last 6 months

Rang my GP and he said they had got no clarification from the HSE despite asking. Can't get any clarification on what the "but not limited to" actually means in terms of specifics.

Try looking here and talk to your gp/specialist..

https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/using-covid-19-vaccines-in-patient-taking-immunosuppressive-medicines/

SwordofLight

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expectationlost

Varadkar also told FG PP he still expects more than 80% of adults to be offered their first dose by the end of June and for all adults to be vaccinated by September

why do they keep using this 80% of adults line what about the other 20%?

DylanJM

expectationlost wrote: »

why do they keep using this 80% of adults line what about the other 20%?

"more than 80%" it says. He's covering his arse. Also certain groups may not be eligible e.g pregnant women.

Stark

Would expect a certain number of adults will refuse outright. According to polls it's likely about 85% of adults will volunteer to take it.

expectationlost

DylanJM wrote: »

"more than 80%" it says. He's covering his arse. Also certain groups may not be eligible e.g pregnant women.

its not about who may choose not to take it, its about how many will be _offered_ it

Zhane

expectationlost wrote: »

why do they keep using this 80% of adults line what about the other 20%?

You’ll also have people who’ll refuse to take it.

brickster69

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1367204433730412546

Water John

Those who don't take a vaccine offered to them, can take their chances.

expectationlost

Zhane wrote: »

You’ll also have people who’ll refuse to take it.

80% of adults to be offered

!!!

Miike

snowcat wrote: »

Why did this not show up in the vaccine testing. It does not happen with other vaccines

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/swollen-lymph-nodes/105170/

Swollen lymph nodes did show up in the trials of each of the mRNA vaccines. It's been published and talked about since P1 trials.

pc7

brickster69 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Jamin2g/status/1367204433730412546

We should try buy them off the French

Zhane

expectationlost wrote: »

!!!

You have to be offered it to refuse it....

snowcat

Water John wrote: »

Those who don't take a vaccine offered to them, can take their chances.

Im not sure what you mean. Take your chance with a different vaccine or the virus itself? Id love to know if sputnik or sinovac are approved here how many would queue up to take it

expectationlost

Zhane wrote: »

You have to be offered it to refuse it....

but he is not suggesting they going to offer it to 100% and then 80% will take it up, he saying they will only be offering it to 80% by June, why is that a useful figure? what about the other 20%

Water John

snowcat wrote: »

Im not sure what you mean. Take your chance with a different vaccine or the virus itself? Id love to know if sputnik or sinovac are approved here how many would queue up to take it

You mean, you'll have Sputnik and Sinovac for the lefties. What will they give to the right wing nut jobs?

Zhane

expectationlost wrote: »

but he is not suggesting they going to offer it to 100% and then 80% will take it up, he saying they will only be offering it to 80% by June, why is that useful figure?

Sorry I misread the original post, I apologise.

At a guess, The 80% is a high enough number to reach based on supply, any higher than that and they’d count it as a success so they can pat themselves on the back.

namloc1980

speckle wrote: »

Try looking here and talk to your gp/specialist..

https://www.sps.nhs.uk/articles/using-covid-19-vaccines-in-patient-taking-immunosuppressive-medicines/

I did speak to my GP. That's what I said in my post. He can't get any clarity from the HSE and is just getting the run around.

SwordofLight

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You lost me at the 3rd paragraph because it is just absolutely not spreading in Ireland

As far as I know we are at 15 or 20 cases, and it doubles every week, so a bit early yet to say it isn't spreading?

brickster69

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

Assuming things don't ramp up.

**** trials. 8% of the trial group was over 50. They were 95% confident that the efficacy in older people is somewhere between 8 and 92%.

Hopefully some useful data has since been gathered that would allow agencies to be comfortable recommending the vaccine to older people.

Useful data, what more data are you asking for?

Hundreds of millions of older people around the world taking the vaccine. Virtually no risk from it, no severe infections, no going to hospital and no deaths.

Pure stupidity which will now be costing lives.

Water John

With the vaccine being so effective, 80%+ will be enough.

speckle

study to explore covid vaccine response in people with impaired immune systems

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/covid-vaccine-response-in-patients-with-impaired-immune-systems/105207/

brickster69

pc7 wrote: »

We should try buy them off the French

No good talking about it

ACitizenErased

SwordofLight wrote: »

As far as I know we are at 15 or 20 cases, and it doubles every week, so a bit early yet to say it isn't spreading?

The last update was 15 cases, all of which are people who have arrived from south africa. That sounds like not spreading to me.