Golf Lockdown Discussion No discussion of breaking Restrictions

GreeBo · 02-03-2021 09:00PM

Luckycharm wrote: »

Greebo have you been in Marley near the coffee shop especially, there is plenty of interacting going on. Place is rammed most days and especially w/ends, not to mention the other parks around there.

Yep I have, but as I said earlier, the problem there is the morons who are not social distancing, you don't solve that by allowing even more people the opportunity to act moronically!

We don't remove rules or laws just because some people break them, I don't see why this would be any different.

FWIW I don't see this behaviour nearly as much in Bushy, people are spread out and keep 2m gap when queueing for coffee/ice cream, you even see people wearing masks in the playground.

Seve OB · 02-03-2021 09:32PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Yep I have, but as I said earlier, the problem there is the morons who are not social distancing, you don't solve that by allowing even more people the opportunity to act moronically!

We don't remove rules or laws just because some people break them, I don't see why this would be any different.

FWIW I don't see this behaviour nearly as much in Bushy, people are spread out and keep 2m gap when queueing for coffee/ice cream, you even see people wearing masks in the playground.

Well maybe if you allow the sensible people to move onto the golf course so that they are away from the morons it will help things.

And just talking with a work colleague earlier on who is in Bushy every day with her dog, her comment to me was “if you want to get COVID, just head on up to bushy park” and she specifically mentioned the ice cream van.

willabur · 02-03-2021 09:37PM

A member at my club got an email from the company running it telling him that hard times, yada yada yada, but if he didn't renew on time he would not be allowed to rejoin the club for 6 months.

Sound

FixdePitchmark · 02-03-2021 10:09PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Yep I have, but as I said earlier, the problem there is the morons who are not social distancing, you don't solve that by allowing even more people the opportunity to act moronically!

We don't remove rules or laws just because some people break them, I don't see why this would be any different.

FWIW I don't see this behaviour nearly as much in Bushy, people are spread out and keep 2m gap when queueing for coffee/ice cream, you even see people wearing masks in the playground.

It is all about perspective too. People also have different perceptions of what is necessary.

If we were all honest - why is coffee so necessary - it is something that results in queues and gatherings - there is a significant amount of handling and common contact points and natural tendency to interact.

During the very high numbers - I looked at kids in Playgrounds etc. And in my mind doing a quick risk assessment - It didn't feel right.

I actually do agree with golf being closed. But at the same measure - there is so much stuff open of equal to higher risk. There is so much stuff that is open that is not necessary.

The good news at this point - we are going to reverse out now - open up more in a far more controlled way. But much slower than what people think (IMO)

RoadRunner · 03-03-2021 10:43AM

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

During the very high numbers - I looked at kids in Playgrounds etc. And in my mind doing a quick risk assessment - It didn't feel right.

I've been the exact same about playgrounds. Sad as it's one of the things that are missed the most. I've used to go early in the morning or after rain but not in a long time now. You think: ah just bring hand sanitiser, it'll be grand. Then you see them literally lick a rung of a ladder that hundreds of kids are climbing :eek:

DuckSlice · 03-03-2021 10:51AM

willabur wrote: »

A member at my club got an email from the company running it telling him that hard times, yada yada yada, but if he didn't renew on time he would not be allowed to rejoin the club for 6 months.

Sound

That seems a bit harsh isnt it? Is there plenty of choice for courses in your area and that would welcome a new member rather than give ultimatums?

CalamariFritti · 03-03-2021 02:46PM

At least we wont have to deal with this when we're back. Saw this on reddit. Snow golf in Finland.

Looks like fun.

DuckSlice · 03-03-2021 02:50PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

At least we wont have to deal with this when we're back. Saw this on reddit. Snow golf in Finland.

Looks like fun.

Any picture of what the green looks like?

CalamariFritti · 03-03-2021 03:41PM

No, just this shot. But I'd say google might bring some stuff back.

Kiith · 03-03-2021 03:50PM

There you go

Earleybird · 03-03-2021 03:53PM

willabur wrote: »

A member at my club got an email from the company running it telling him that hard times, yada yada yada, but if he didn't renew on time he would not be allowed to rejoin the club for 6 months.

Sound

Carr Golf?

GreeBo · 03-03-2021 03:55PM

RoadRunner wrote: »

I've been the exact same about playgrounds. Sad as it's one of the things that are missed the most. I've used to go early in the morning or after rain but not in a long time now. You think: ah just bring hand sanitiser, it'll be grand. Then you see them literally lick a rung of a ladder that hundreds of kids are climbing :eek:

Any evidence of any transmission from playgrounds though?
You can't demand that golf courses be opened based on no transmission and then want playgrounds closed without also providing some transmission evidence!

GreeBo · 03-03-2021 03:57PM

Seve OB wrote: »

Well maybe if you allow the sensible people to move onto the golf course so that they are away from the morons it will help things.

Ah, so now the argument is that golfers are all sensible?

And just talking with a work colleague earlier on who is in Bushy every day with her dog, her comment to me was “if you want to get COVID, just head on up to bushy park” and she specifically mentioned the ice cream van.

Well I see it every weekend and there is always a 2m gap between people, now the van itself might be a problem, but thats true of any establishment that is serving the public.

elgstring · 03-03-2021 04:04PM

https://www.golfireland.ie/news-detail?newsarticleid=108&tags=Golf%20Ireland%20HQ;Covid-19

"Golf Ireland are also continuing to engage intensively with the Irish Government, highlighting the safety and health benefits of golf and working towards the resumption of golf as soon as the public health situation allows."

Golfhead65 · 03-03-2021 04:18PM

elgstring wrote: »

https://www.golfireland.ie/news-detail?newsarticleid=108&tags=Golf%20Ireland%20HQ;Covid-19

"Golf Ireland are also continuing to engage intensively with the Irish Government, highlighting the safety and health benefits of golf and working towards the resumption of golf as soon as the public health situation allows."

So if the Golf ireland are told by our so called government that golf cannot restart safely and courses are to stay shut, have they the power to keep courses in NI closed even though they might have got the go ahead from UK gov as they come under their juristiction. A new Good Friday agreement might have to be sorted

Dayor Knight · 03-03-2021 04:22PM

CalamariFritti wrote: »

At least we wont have to deal with this when we're back. Saw this on reddit. Snow golf in Finland.

Looks like fun.

There's no golf like snow golf.

L.O.F.T · 03-03-2021 04:41PM

etxp wrote: »

Any picture of what the green looks like?

Seve OB · 03-03-2021 06:35PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Ah, so now the argument is that golfers are all sensible?

clearly some of us are not

Seve OB · 03-03-2021 06:39PM

Mark Kennelly, the Chief Executive: Golf Ireland.

"You will be aware of the recent government decisions to maintain current COVID-19 restrictions. We understand the frustration and the difficult situation that many clubs are currently in with the courses remaining closed. I want to assure you all that we are engaging intensively with the relevant government departments and agencies in both the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland to highlight the safety and health benefits of golf. All of you did a great job last year in keeping golf safe at club level. That strong track record is really standing to us now as we make the case for golf to be one of the first sports to restart as soon as the public health situation allows. Last month, Golf Ireland made a detailed written submission to the Irish Government on how golf can be safely resumed under the various levels of its Living with Covid Plan and a similar submission was made to the Northern Ireland Executive. We will continue to work closely with the public authorities to ensure that our sport is up and running again as soon as possible."

i fear we could be facing stupid measures again when we open.

oh and the app will be available in 3 weeks time

RGS · 03-03-2021 06:53PM

I hope we don't have the idiotic 2 household codswallop that was suggested before the last lockdown. If they need to have a restriction just allow 3 balls for the 1st month and move to 4 balls in may and I manage most will be happy.

GreeBo · 03-03-2021 07:16PM

Seve OB wrote: »

clearly some of us are not

My thoughts *exactly*.

FixdePitchmark · 03-03-2021 08:21PM

Seve OB wrote: »

Mark Kennelly, the Chief Executive: Golf Ireland.

i fear we could be facing stupid measures again when we open.

oh and the app will be available in 3 weeks time

Hopefully they do not have that daft 2 ball stuff - if they do - I give up on them .

Strawberry HillBilly · 03-03-2021 09:08PM

@Seve OB is there any info what the app will be able to do ? Hoping we will be able to pre book the round to contribute to the handicap analysis.

gypsy79 · 03-03-2021 09:31PM

willabur wrote: »

A member at my club got an email from the company running it telling him that hard times, yada yada yada, but if he didn't renew on time he would not be allowed to rejoin the club for 6 months.

Sound

They tried the same at my course and its up for discussion at the next committee meeting. But they have agreed to not make this final till after we have meeting

There is an issue about fairness, and it is unique to Carr golf rolling membership. If at another club if they dont pay until courses reopen they will need pay a full 12 months to rejoin so it is the same situation

And it is pay outstanding fees due or wait 6 months to rejoin. It is fair on everyone in the club

We are hoping that some of this may be waived for members who can demonstrate they have been effected (eg on PUP)

finglashoop · 03-03-2021 10:08PM

gypsy79 wrote: »

They tried the same at my course and its up for discussion at the next committee meeting. But they have agreed to not make this final till after we have meeting

There is an issue about fairness, and it is unique to Carr golf rolling membership. If at another club if they dont pay until courses reopen they will need pay a full 12 months to rejoin so it is the same situation

And it is pay outstanding fees due or wait 6 months to rejoin. It is fair on everyone in the club

We are hoping that some of this may be waived for members who can demonstrate they have been effected (eg on PUP)

and will Carr be doing anything for members who are are paid up?

h2005 · 03-03-2021 10:20PM

finglashoop wrote: »

and will Carr be doing anything for members who are are paid up?

I wouldn’t be holding my breath on that!

redzerdrog · 03-03-2021 10:28PM

Being a member of a club run by Carr golf and haven paid my membership throughout I would be disappointed if someone who hasn't paid over the last 6 months just gets to rock up and start paying again when golf resumes

RoadRunner · 03-03-2021 10:51PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Any evidence of any transmission from playgrounds though?
You can't demand that golf courses be opened based on no transmission and then want playgrounds closed without also providing some transmission evidence!

Okay with playgrounds being open. I just won't take my little one to them when I perceive risk to be high.

Re: golf courses being reopened. I've been on some courses recently, other people on them too. Outdoor, well ventilated, very low population density, no shared contact -well documented ideal non spread conditions. No club in my hand at the time - it would obviously be no different if I had one or even a whole set of them. Members golf (carpark to first tee and 18th green back to car) carries no significant transmission risk. Argue the opposite all you like.

GreeBo · 04-03-2021 10:55AM

RoadRunner wrote: »

Okay with playgrounds being open. I just won't take my little one to them when I perceive risk to be high.

Re: golf courses being reopened. I've been on some courses recently, other people on them too. Outdoor, well ventilated, very low population density, no shared contact -well documented ideal non spread conditions. No club in my hand at the time - it would obviously be no different if I had one or even a whole set of them. Members golf (carpark to first tee and 18th green back to car) carries no significant transmission risk. Argue the opposite all you like.

I'm specifically not arguing that there is necessarily any difference in risk of transmission, i'm saying that parks are open to allow people to take essential exercise, golf isnt essential exercise, so its not open.

Kiith · 04-03-2021 10:58AM

Walked along the edge of Waterville recently, and it looks fantastic. Didn't step on the course, as they have signs up asking people not to, but walking around it is fine...right? :pac:

Might try have a look at Hogs Head next, though that's harder to get to.

RoadRunner wrote: »

Argue the opposite all you like.

There is no reasonable argument to that point. Perception is the one that gets bandied around a lot. "If golf opens, other sports will want to re-open as well." or something to that effect.

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