Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Hector Savage · 03-03-2021 09:59AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And at tomorrow's NPHET misery conference:

"Frank, from TheJournal.ie.

If a new and more transmissible variant comes into circulation, does that mean restrictions will go on beyond June?"

Stupid questions like this.

I'd be embarrassed to call myself a journalist and work for TheJournal.ie. All they do is copy/re-write stories for clicks. No standard of journalism whatsoever.

And the dumb and intellectually empty NPHET questions top it all off.

That's when I knew this would go on forever, when they are basing policy on a "what if..."

Sure what if Ebola goes airborne, close the world down so ... just in case like ...

Boggles · 03-03-2021 10:01AM

gmisk wrote: »

Did McGuirk not make a complete arse of himself like the last time he was on with his fake nurse story? Surprised they would invite him back on after that embarrassing nonsense.

He mad a complete arsé of himself again last night.

But yeah, lets have more contrary half wits on dribbling scutter, because the Daily Mail, something something.

03-03-2021 10:08AM

Hector Savage wrote: »

That's when I knew this would go on forever, when they are basing policy on a "what if..."

Sure what if Ebola goes airborne, close the world down so ... just in case like ...

I've been thinking the same thing. Once you start talking about 'potential variants' that means indefinite. There could be a potential variant 10 or 20 years down the road.

03-03-2021 10:20AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I've been thinking the same thing. Once you start talking about 'potential variants' that means indefinite. There could be a potential variant 10 or 20 years down the road.

And because tomorrow is Thursday, it means we will be treated to our weekly half-length lecture on statistics from the Master of Monotony, Philip Nolan.

Don't forget to take notes.

I'm half expecting him to hand out MCQ tests to the journalists at the end of May.

Silentcorner · 03-03-2021 10:27AM

Deleted User wrote: »

More people meeting, more cases, less people meeting less cases. October wasn’t a surge either. The rate of change was constant from the end of June. Exponential growth is funny like that though, what at one stage looks slow and steady starts to look like a surge when in fact it was 1 2 4 8 16 32.......
December was like resetting the starting point to late September rather than June and injecting an Irish Christmas

No need to question any poster on their intellect

I'm sorry, that last sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

I am well aware of what a winter surge looks like, I have alluded to it often enough.

The key metric is hospitalizations FROM Covid, that was steady all through Sept/Oct/Nov then surged in Dec along with the case numbers....we have had two surges, both happened during what is our traditional flu season.

I understand why it is so hard for many to consider the seasonality factor but it is a major one, for instance Texas and Florida are now following the established science in this pandemic, because of their climate and how viral infections behave they are in a better place to make that gamble than say New York where the climate is different and the place is densely populated and viral infections behave differently.

Your posts are quiet aggressive and I have a tendency to react to aggressive posts perhaps we should dial it back a notch or two.

ypres5 · 03-03-2021 10:48AM

Graham wrote: »

Can't help but think there's some wishful thinking there Kaiser

- The money will keep getting topped up.
- Two thirds of the public think restrictions are about right or not strong enough.
- See previous answer

The UK approach is everything reopens 1 month before 100% of the population have been offered a vaccine. Is that what you're advocating?

but why would 100% of the population have to be vaccinated before things start reopening?

Boggles · 03-03-2021 10:51AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I understand why it is so hard for many to consider the seasonality factor but it is a major one, for instance Texas and Florida are now following the established science in this pandemic,

Is that the same Florida and Texas who began their first wave in Ernest in June after they lifted the bulk of restrictions?

Silentcorner · 03-03-2021 10:59AM

Boggles wrote: »

Is that the same Florida and Texas who began their first wave in Ernest in June after they lifted the bulk of restrictions?

Florida dropped all restrictions in Sept last, Texas are doing it now.

South Dakota had very little restrictions North Dakota did, same results for both.

It is not a one size fits all solution, there are a myriad of factors being conveniently ignored!

Boggles · 03-03-2021 11:02AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Florida dropped all restrictions in Sept last, Texas are doing it now.

South Dakota had very little restrictions North Dakota did, same results for both.

It is not a one size fits all solution, there are a myriad of factors being conveniently ignored!

Tangents.

Why did Texas and Florida experience the bulk of their first wave during their summer (which coincided with lifting of the bulk of their restrictions) if this thing is seasonal as you have repeated ad nauseam?

Is their flu season in the summer?

timmyntc · 03-03-2021 11:06AM

Boggles wrote: »

Tangents.

Why did Texas and Florida experience the bulk of their first wave during their summer (which coincided with lifting of the bulk of their restrictions) if this thing is seasonal as you have repeated ad nauseam?

Is their flu season in the summer?

You already answered your own question B.

They lifted the bulk of their restrictions so transmission spiked at that point. Summer or Winter, if you go from 0 to 100 you will see a spike of some sort. Its inevitable that virus spread will increase as people are allowed more freedoms to socialise. Summer is still best time to do it though as the 'peak' of said spike would be much lower.

03-03-2021 11:07AM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Florida dropped all restrictions in Sept last, Texas are doing it now.

South Dakota had very little restrictions North Dakota did, same results for both.

It is not a one size fits all solution, there are a myriad of factors being conveniently ignored!

I think a lot of people want countries and states with few or no restrictions to fail. They want those countries to be as dire as Ireland.

Boggles · 03-03-2021 11:08AM

timmyntc wrote: »

You already answered your own question B.

They lifted the bulk of their restrictions so transmission spiked at that point. Summer or Winter, if you go from 0 to 100 you will see a spike of some sort. Its inevitable that virus spread will increase as people are allowed more freedoms to socialise. Summer is still best time to do it though as the 'peak' of said spike would be much lower.

The OP doesn't believe restrictions or easing of restrictions play a part.

You'll have to take up with him.

timmyntc · 03-03-2021 11:12AM

Boggles wrote: »

The OP doesn't believe restrictions or easing of restrictions play a part.

You'll have to take up with him.

He was arguing for seasonality of the virus - you replied by stating that Florida & Texas opened in summer and had a spike (as if that was some dismissal of seasonality of virus - its not).

BringBackMick · 03-03-2021 11:22AM

The cycle of blame continues to spin around!!

1. Foreigners
2. Vaccine hesitant/ anti lockdown groups
3. Students

Who next?

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2021 11:30AM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Ireland has had a longer lockdown then Germany, Greece, Poland, Romania and Bulgaria combined despite having a younger population.

A quantification of the lack of concern for the sunk costs facing the next generation

You take a far too simplistic approach to everything. Every country in Europe, every single one, has had restrictions to varying degrees at different times since the beginning.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1366871874899173378

100% spot on.

It's time propaganda using highly selective interpretations of niche data was called out.

Although you didn't even provide so much as a link in your post!

Looks like you're just regurgitating nonsense from John McGuirk.

timmyntc · 03-03-2021 11:33AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You take a far too simplistic approach to everything. Every country in Europe, every single one, has had restrictions to varying degrees at different times since the beginning.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1366871874899173378

100% spot on.

It's time propaganda using highly selective interpretations of niche data was called out.

Although you didn't even provide so much as a link in your post!

Looks like you just regurgitated nonsense from John McGuirk.

Seems like a pathetic attempt at a "fact check". They even admitted that we have workplaces closed longer than any other country. We have pubs closed longer than any other country. Oxford studies recently ranked us #3(?) worldwide in terms of severity of restrictions.

But no, because its John McGuirk and we dont like John McGuirk, it must be false.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2021 11:35AM

timmyntc wrote: »

Seems like a pathetic attempt at a "fact check". They even admitted that we have workplaces closed longer than any other country. We have pubs closed longer than any other country. Oxford studies recently ranked us #3(?) worldwide in terms of severity of restrictions.

But no, because its John McGuirk and we dont like John McGuirk, it must be false.

It is false.

Show the metric you're using.

Or is it just belief?

batman_oh · 03-03-2021 11:37AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It is false.

Show the metric you're using.

Or is it just belief?

It's fact that our restaurants/hospitality have been closed longer than anywhere else in Europe since this began and that we have been confined to 5km distance restrictions longer than anywhere in Europe (by a massive distance).

timmyntc · 03-03-2021 11:38AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

It is false.

Show the metric you're using.

Or is it just belief?

So your evidence that McGuirk is wrong, is a tweet that says: "I think he bases it on this chart".

So he pulls a chart out of his hole, says that this chart is false (doesnt say why) and therefore McGuirk is wrong because I think he is using this chart

Responder XY · 03-03-2021 11:40AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You take a far too simplistic approach to everything. Every country in Europe, every single one, has had restrictions to varying degrees at different times since the beginning.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1366871874899173378

100% spot on.

It's time propaganda using highly selective interpretations of niche data was called out.

Although you didn't even provide so much as a link in your post!

Looks like you're just regurgitated nonsense from John McGuirk.

Be real, there are lots of ways to measure shutdown/restrictions/lockdowns and as they say - lies, damned lies and statistics, I'm very sure a graph could be produced which on the surface defends any opinion.

However it's irrefutable that Ireland has had, on balance, harsher restrictions, for longer than almost anywhere else. We've had more travel restrictions (both internal and international), we've had more personal restrictions, we've had more sectors of the economy shut and for longer than average.

We are being treated like toddlers in this country. Other nations have a much more balanced approach to restrictions and place more trust in their people to behave properly. In Ireland our leaders are like bad school teachers who discipline entirely with a whip. There needs to be a legitimate outlet for people or else people are forced to break the rules. The current rules are entirely unrealistic. They caused our Christmas surge, but for some reason they thought it was a good idea to bring back even harsher rules after christmas. Then they are surprised when scenes like Limerick last night happen.

Boggles · 03-03-2021 11:40AM

timmyntc wrote: »

He was arguing for seasonality of the virus - you replied by stating that Florida & Texas opened in summer and had a spike (as if that was some dismissal of seasonality of virus - its not).

I suggest if you are going to argue someones opinion by proxy you should at least arm yourself with a working knowledge of those opinions.

Either way, he is well able to make his own points.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2021 11:43AM

batman_oh wrote: »

It's fact that our restaurants/hospitality have been closed longer than anywhere else in Europe since this began and that we have been confined to 5km distance restrictions longer than anywhere in Europe (by a massive distance).

Provide the data

Incidentally bars in Ireland are not the same spaces in terms of social distancing, popularity, drinking culture or lack of space as bars on the continent (aside from Irish or British expat pubs) so that comparison has never been valid.

Please provide the data on restaurants and on area confinements comparing each country in Europe.

SnuggyBear · 03-03-2021 11:44AM

How can anyone say with a straight face we haven't had the harshest restrictions in the EU ? Baffling.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2021 11:45AM

Responder XY wrote: »

However it's irrefutable that Ireland has had, on balance, harsher restrictions, for longer than almost anywhere else. We've had more travel restrictions (both internal and international), we've had more personal restrictions, we've had more sectors of the economy shut and for longer than average.

This is all feelings outside of any data.

If it's irrefutable, show us all.

It shouldn't be an issue finding the reputable source on which your opinion is based.

If you do that we'll all accept it.

Responder XY · 03-03-2021 11:46AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How can anyone say with a straight face we haven't had the harshest restrictions in the EU ? Baffling.

It's possible if you've your head stuck in the sand for the past year.

Responder XY · 03-03-2021 11:47AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

This is all feelings outside of any data.

If it's irrefutable, show us all.

It shouldn't be an issue finding the reputable source on which your opinion is based.

If you do that we'll all accept it.

Looks like you are the only one who doesn't accept it. Open your eyes for a little while. I'm under no obligation to do homework for you to prove what is blatantly obvious.

timmyntc · 03-03-2021 11:49AM

Boggles wrote: »

I suggest if you are going to argue someones opinion by proxy you should at least arm yourself with a working knowledge of those opinions.

Either way, he is well able to make his own points.

You were arguing against seasonality of the virus, You were proven wrong. Now you are deflecting.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Provide the data

Incidentally bars in Ireland are not the same spaces in terms of social distancing, popularity, drinking culture or lack of space as bars on the continent (aside from Irish or British expat pubs) so that comparison has never been valid.

Please provide the data on restaurants and on area confinements comparing each country in Europe.

Shifting the goalposts then making a request for data that you know well doesnt exist so it seems like you are right, when in reality you know you're
wrong that's why you've shifted the goalposts in this regard. Irish hospitality has been closed the longest - "Irish bars are not European bars" is the biggest load of nonsense I've ever heard. Embarrassing.

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How can anyone say with a straight face we haven't had the harshest restrictions in the EU ? Baffling.

Defending the govt is some people's new religion. Belief not science

uli84 · 03-03-2021 11:50AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

How can anyone say with a straight face we haven't had the harshest restrictions in the EU ? Baffling.

Having the youngest population in the EU at the same time, it’s actually shocking.

growleaves · 03-03-2021 11:51AM

Once of the worst restrictions imo has been the closure of outdoor food markets all over the country while you can still go into a supermarket and buy from a large food manufacturer.

Outdoor sellers were already masked and taking precautions before the councils shut them down. Many of them have had to jack it in now.

The money from PUP and other subsidies is being funneled to landlords, large supermarket chains, large online retailers and other rent-seekers and monopolists.

This debt-based monetary system allows us to strangle the economy without collapsing it but at the cost of simultaneously funneling wealth upwards and then re-paying that money back to the Exchequer in taxes at a future date.

Kermit.de.frog · 03-03-2021 11:52AM

Responder XY wrote: »

Looks like you are the only one who doesn't accept it. Open your eyes for a little while. I'm under no obligation to do homework for you to prove what is blatantly obvious.

We are back to belief and feelings again...

How convenient. It's clear you and others can't do your own homework to back up your own assertions.

No data.

That doesn't butter any parsnips.

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