Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX Read OP For Mod Warnings

Beasty · 02-03-2021 11:12PM

a number of off-topic posts deleted

02-03-2021 11:14PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Agreed but quite the opposite of a far-right violent lunatic

It doesn't matter if the only thing she's ever had a thought of conserving is the soil quality in her attic. There are people in this thread who will deem her far-right for daring to question restrictions, let alone organise a protest. Because their labels are all they have.

Silentcorner · 02-03-2021 11:18PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Christ almighty. Cause and effect exists. Nobody, not least the good Limerick doctor predicted what would happen with massive restrictions. They made predictions based on uncontrolled spread.

Now choose to believe that because I can see through the empty rhetoric of charlatans is evidence of not taking alternative viewpoints.

It’s obvious though you have swallowed the contrarian koolaid, and at every point that your heroes lies are shown up will retreat to the next easy answer. Up to this week it was “seasonal”. Now that many countries are starting a second winter/spring surge it will pivot to something else. The talking points have not emerged yet do all you can say is “different countries, myriad of reason” until your heroes come up with the next easy answer.

Thank Christ the vaccine will rid us of this soon enough, but your heroes will claim is was actually exactly as they predicted and nothing to do with vaccines and you no doubt will lap up every word

Relax, calm down, I just have an alternate opinion to you.

None of knew what was coming at us this time last year so we all had to source information as to what could happen, I simply don't have the same level of trust in mainstream outlets as you do, because in my view the industry is toxic...that has served me well, in my understanding of this virus...and funny enough, outside of mainstream media outlets there aren't too many experts who have been accurate in their assessment of this virus who agree with severe lock downs.

And yes of course there are a myriad of factors, climate, over all health of the elderly population, geographical spread f the population, Vit D levels, even a miserable month of weather can impact infection rates...it's not all about one virus.

I look forward to the impact of the vaccines, however, I do question how this has turned into a one factor solution, why don't we have accurate rapid testing kits which would allow us to open up more? But what would I know, I'm just a punter on the internet!!

02-03-2021 11:19PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Country of 5 million people having less epidemiology experts than one with 50million shocker. If 5% of experts go against the grain you are more likely to find a few of them in a large country.
Having said that, Luke O’Neill is always on the media and since the vaccines has been extremely positive. The likes of Kingston mills is very balanced. This thread only wants to listen to mcconkey and their ilk so they can continue to whip themselves into a frenzy about how negative the media is, choosing to get angry rather than read balanced views that are widely available

I forgot about Luke O'Neill. He's one of the tiny few.

There's practically no balance in Ireland. Doctors who speak out are vilified.

But I won't labour the point. It's good to hear that John McGurk was on RTÉ tonight.

FintanMcluskey · 02-03-2021 11:20PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Agreed but quite the opposite of a far-right violent lunatic

Which is what I’ve been saying for months

Opposition to restrictions is not far right

Opposition to restrictions is far left/liberal if it has to be defined

The media decided to define it as far right

02-03-2021 11:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This is tiresome at this stage.

Surges do not preclude seasonality, particularly in the presence of new, more transmissible variants. It is entirely possible, if not probable, that Covid-19 has a seasonal element to it and that a surge in Eastern European countries is being caused by the much more transmissible UK variant (it is).

Seasonal does not mean that it disappears completely during the summer, just that it is much less common then. Indeed, the double-whammy of seasonality combined with close proximity to the origin of the UK variant (and a few other factors, including our population being so massively concentrated in one small-ish city) could well explain why Ireland shot so quickly to the highest numbers in the world in December/January. And why, as that variant has spread, the picture has changed with it.

I can understand why surges in other locations would be alarming if you were one of the people who held that The Irish are just a bunch of very naughty lads and committed some sort of heresy at Christmas time by visiting with family and patronising opened businesses. On the other hand, if you recognised that Ireland's large surge was a result of the arrival of the UK variant, then the fact that other places a little further afield are seeing that same surge with that same variant should not come as a surprise.

Our surge happened before the variant. The variant just accelerated it a bit, or more likely, slowed the fall. When we were at 6000 cases per day, 80% plus were the old varieties. I also believe variants are overplayed but understand why there is concern.

When Covid 19 or the vaccine have engendered a large level of resistance in the population as a whole, Covid will not behave like a seasonal virus. When we have it will be an endemic virus will minimal large scale impact. The reason annual flus do not cause impacts like the Spanish or Hong Kong flu is because we have all experienced something similar in the past, therefore most do not suffer the worst effects, even if we are not immune to that years particular strain. It will be something similar with Covid, requiring only booster shots to the vulnerable.

normanoffside · 02-03-2021 11:24PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Which is what I’ve been saying for months

Opposition to restrictions is not far right

Opposition to restrictions is far left/liberal if it has to be defined

The media decided to define it as far right

There were definitely far right elements that were present and probably provoked or caused that one Violent incident. As I said on Saturday the National party were handing out leaflets which I refused.

However I have seen it widely said that the NP organised the protests which is blatantly untrue and the vast majority of those who attended have no interest in them or their policies.

Incidentally Prime time tonight revised the number of attendees upwards to 2,000 so you can bet it was at least twice that.

02-03-2021 11:27PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Which is what I’ve been saying for months

Opposition to restrictions is not far right

Opposition to restrictions is far left/liberal if it has to be defined

The media decided to define it as far right

The opposition to restrictions in this country are populists parroting easy answers to complex issues as populists do and are both right and left

Nqp15hhu · 02-03-2021 11:27PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I read that article. Contrast what that professor is saying with what McConkey, Stains, Ryan et al have been saying. I was thinking to myself the other day that all of the extremist voices are in Ireland, the UK and the US. McConkey, Ryan, Scally, Staines, and NPHET in Ireland. SAGE in the UK. Fauci in the US. 24/7 doom and gloom and pessimism. I read articles about Australia and, apart from Victoria which is horrible, there doesn't seem to be anything near the level of hysteria you get in those three countries. But, as I've pointed out several times, Ireland stands alone in having no opposition, be it in the media or in politics.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist. But it’s almost as if this is all coordinated.

The complete lack of genuine empathy or efforts put towards actually moving out of lockdown is terrible.

02-03-2021 11:31PM

washman3 wrote: »

'yer man' is John McGurk. An intelligent man and not afraid to call it as it is.
Heartening to witness him putting that little smug blueshirt firmly back in his box.

John McGurk, the people’s hero

growleaves · 02-03-2021 11:31PM

Yikes. Children as young as three and four years old being asked to self-isolate from their parents, siblings and other children in the Municipality of Peel near Toronto.

It seems as if we opened up a portal to hell in March 2020 and demons came streaming in.

FintanMcluskey · 02-03-2021 11:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The opposition to restrictions in this country are populists parroting easy answers to complex issues as populists do and are both right and left

Could we not say the same about those who also welcome restrictions

FintanMcluskey · 02-03-2021 11:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

John McGurk, the people’s hero

I rarely agree with you, but I do appreciate well delivered humour

landofthetree · 02-03-2021 11:37PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Which is what I’ve been saying for months

Opposition to restrictions is not far right

Opposition to restrictions is far left/liberal if it has to be defined

The media decided to define it as far right

Libertarianism is against lockdown.

Not the left.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism

02-03-2021 11:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

When Covid 19 or the vaccine have engendered a large level of resistance in the population as a whole, Covid will not behave like a seasonal virus. When we have it will be an endemic virus will minimal large scale impact. The reason annual flus do not cause impacts like the Spanish or Hong Kong flu is because we have all experienced something similar in the past, therefore most do not suffer the worst effects, even if we are not immune to that years particular strain. It will be something similar with Covid, requiring only booster shots to the vulnerable.

Well hold on, is Covid-19 seasonal or not? Because you just spent a couple of pages acting like someone who suggested that is an eejit and here you are saying that Covid won't behave seasonally after vaccination. If it takes vaccination for a virus to stop behaving like a seasonal virus, then the virus is obviously seasonal.

Annual flus, by the way, are seasonal.

02-03-2021 11:38PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Could we not say the same about those who also welcome restrictions

I don’t believe restrictions in this country at least are a right/ left issue. Different in the us, but that’s because the issue was hijacked.

The pro restrictions position, or should I say the position that recognises the need to have restrictions is not a populist position however. It’s more difficult to accept a difficult solution than to oppose it, and therefore not a populist position.

I do accept that the position is very conservative with a small c, and recognise things should move faster. I don’t see the rationale for non essential retail remaining closed for example, or outdoor sports either.

LuckyLloyd · 02-03-2021 11:44PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

That's something I'm curious about. Is it only in Ireland where this non-stop hysteria and 'new virus' stuff dominates daily life? England has heavy restrictions, but, as I pointed out, there's opposition over there in the form of Talk Radio, The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Covid Recovery Group, and, perhaps most significant of all, Lord Sumption, a former Supreme Court Judge no less, who has since March of last year spoken out against the hysteria, the destruction of society, the increasingly authoritarian government and police, and the implications all of that will have in and for the future. But nothing but 24/7 hysteria in Ireland. And, as I said, I could understand the huge difference if the countries were polar opposites, but they're literally next door to each other. It's very puzzling.

And for all that criticism (eventhough - like here - there is cross parliamentary consensus) England has heavy restrictions. Which is the main thing, isn’t it?

FintanMcluskey · 02-03-2021 11:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t see the rationale for non essential retail remaining closed for example, or outdoor sports either.

Neither can many others on this thread.

That’s why it now seems to be the busiest thread recently

Why are those activities not going ahead?

What data has Ireland got that deems it to risky?

02-03-2021 11:46PM

Nqp15hhu wrote: »

I’m not a conspiracy theorist. But it’s almost as if this is all coordinated.

The complete lack of genuine empathy or efforts put towards actually moving out of lockdown is terrible.

It's interesting to compare the messaging in Ireland with the messaging in Russia. While in Ireland it's 'new virus', 'variants', 'no socialising', 5km etc, in Russia it's 'face masks gone soon' and 'close to normal':

https://www.rt.com/russia/514381-face-masks-ban-possible-lift/

https://www.rt.com/russia/514933-return-normality-herd-immunity/

I predict rt will be attacked as a 'propaganda source' but the articles quote experts.

I've been reading about the Russian 'avos'. It definitely explains Russian attitudes towards covid.

02-03-2021 11:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Well hold on, is Covid-19 seasonal or not? Because you just spent a couple of pages acting like someone who suggested that is an eejit and here you are saying that Covid won't behave seasonally after vaccination. If it takes vaccination for a virus to stop behaving like a seasonal virus, then the virus is obviously seasonal.

Annual flus, by the way, are seasonal.

I don’t think you read what I wrote.

Endemic viruses are seasonal because for the bulk of the population the virus is not entirely new, even if they have not seen that strain before, so are more susceptible when the immune system is weaker and less likely to have extreme responses. An epidemic with a novel virus is a new species and the initial immune response is lower irrespective of when it hits

gmisk · 02-03-2021 11:47PM

washman3 wrote: »

'yer man' is John McGurk. An intelligent man and not afraid to call it as it is.
Heartening to witness him putting that little smug blueshirt firmly back in his box.

Did McGuirk not make a complete arse of himself like the last time he was on with his fake nurse story? Surprised they would invite him back on after that embarrassing nonsense.

niallo27 · 02-03-2021 11:52PM

gmisk wrote: »

Did McGuirk not make a complete arse of himself like the last time he was on with his fake nurse story? Surprised they would invite him back on after that embarrassing nonsense.

They have had mcconkey back several times.

JRant · 02-03-2021 11:57PM

washman3 wrote: »

'yer man' is John McGurk. An intelligent man and not afraid to call it as it is.
Heartening to witness him putting that little smug blueshirt firmly back in his box.

Just caught the last few minutes of it. Did the FG rep really say that some people are hiding behind the veil of constitutional rights?

And the host was nodding along asking why they weren't doing more to have social media companies clamp down on them.

Man, regardless of the vaccines, we have a long road to recovery ahead. COVID will be the least of our worries if that nonsense isn't stamped out fairly lively.

Silentcorner · 02-03-2021 11:59PM

Breaston Plants wrote: »

Jaysus, yer man on Primetime was excellent. Had Louise Byrne well and truly rattled.

Just watched it back there, I normally avoid Primetime ever since Miriam gave her brother loads of airtime when he was a Dublin councillor...my god how bad is Louise Byrne, is she covering holidays?

McGuirk was well able for the two of them, we all remember the warm welcome the BLM protesters got from the establishment back in June...fair play to him for hammering Redmond on that...and for ramming home one of the longest lock down in the world ...politicians should be asked this every day by our media outlets.

Oscar Bravo · 02-03-2021 11:59PM

Talk to joe will be busy tomorrow "what color was the firework so to speak"
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2021/0302/1200519-limerick/

gmisk · 03-03-2021 12:01AM

niallo27 wrote: »

They have had mcconkey back several times.

McConkey has some qualifications and experience in the area he is discussing, McGuirk is just a contrary mouthpiece.
It was great fun seeing him keep digging on this nonsense story
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/03/23/thank-you-nurse-polly/

Silentcorner · 03-03-2021 12:03AM

gmisk wrote: »

McConkey has some qualifications and experience in the area he is discussing, McGuirk is just a contrary mouthpiece.
It was great fun seeing him keep digging on this nonsense story
https://www.broadsheet.ie/2018/03/23/thank-you-nurse-polly/

McConkey's predictions were out by 116,000 deaths or there abouts, did he suggest at the time they would have died with Covid or from Covid do you recall?

03-03-2021 12:04AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I don’t think you read what I wrote.

Endemic viruses are seasonal because for the bulk of the population the virus is not entirely new, even if they have not seen that strain before, so are more susceptible when the immune system is weaker and less likely to have extreme responses. An epidemic with a novel virus is a new species and the initial immune response is lower irrespective of when it hits

I did.

"When Covid 19 or the vaccine have engendered a large level of resistance in the population as a whole, Covid will not behave like a seasonal virus."

Seasonal viruses are so because, as you say, the immune system is weaker in those months when it is coldest. There's no reason to think that Covid-19 will not behave seasonally just as the other endemic human coronaviruses and flus do.

Hooked · 03-03-2021 12:05AM

Oscar Bravo wrote: »

Talk to joe will be busy tomorrow "what color was the firework so to speak"
https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2021/0302/1200519-limerick/

I’m living in the city... limerick (UL) students have clearly had enough. It’s all over social media.

What do they really expect? Locking up students with NO gigs, pubs, sports, social interaction, etc...

You reap what you sew

lee_baby_simms · 03-03-2021 12:07AM

McConkey is an old hand when it comes to making wildly inaccurate and unscientific predictions with the sole intent of spreading fear and anxiety.

Here’s a great quote from McConkey about swine flu from 2009.

‘‘Even if you erred on the side of caution and estimated that one million people got it, and that one in every 1,000 of those people were to die, it is like four jets going down in Dublin airport.”

https://www.irishcentral.com/news/ireland-braces-for-1-million-cases-of-swine-fle-51861752-237652931

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