Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Only strict lockdowns and isolation can stop a potentially deadly novel virus like this spreading.

It's not me saying it - it's suppose to be standard practice.

Source?

SAMTALK

In all the posts I've being reading I'm just wondering what age do posters deem it acceptable to say "as sure it's ok , they were old anyway, " with regards to Covid. Genuine question.

I'm sick of restrictions, I'm sick of groundhog day everyday . I'm worried about our future

BUT I understand why we have to have a lot of the restrictions that we have. It doesnt mean I like them.

Anyone who suggests that there are people who enjoy the restrictions are just taking the pi**.

I think it is quite pointless comparing ourselves to other countries at this stage because there are a lot of factors to take in not least of all our border with Norther Ireland

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

Link

out of date - all levels of school are not closed

timmyntc

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You're the one not producing evidence.

The onus is on you.

It's you and others that come on boards day in day out with an agenda and nothing to back it up except feelings.

Ask and ye shall receive!
https://github.com/OxCGRT/covid-policy-tracker/raw/master/data/timeseries/OxCGRT_timeseries_all.xlsx

This is based on the Oxford data, but as you so correctly pointed out that was only an instantaneous measure of restrictions.

So now there is a time average of all restrictions. I cant attach the excel file as its too large for boards, so below is the final average, and if you wish to reproduce it you have all the info you need. What you will find is that the only countries with a higher average restriction rate since Feb 2020 are basket cases, and Italy/Portugal. The reason for this is because Italy and Portugal were both more proactive and put restrictions in place earlier than Ireland - so in the average stakes they will have a longer average in that time.

If you were to average each series based on the time restrictions first took place then I have no doubt that Ireland would rank highest in Europe.

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newuser99999

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Even today the language is wrong. We don't have a lockdown, we have restrictions.

No one is confined to their homes.

You cannot have visitors to your home.

Only essential workers should travel to work. You should work from home unless you are providing an essential service and need to be physically present.

In addition:

You should only leave your home if you have a 'reasonable excuse' for doing so.

If that’s not a lockdown I’m not sure what is.

newuser99999

newuser99999 wrote: »

You cannot have visitors to your home.

Only essential workers should travel to work. You should work from home unless you are providing an essential service and need to be physically present.

In addition:

You should only leave your home if you have a 'reasonable excuse' for doing so.

If that’s not a lockdown I’m not sure what is.

He wants sealed doors and barred windows and nothing less.

RobTheLad

https://twitter.com/KarlBrophy/status/1366862655126921219?s=20

FintanMcluskey

frank8211 wrote: »

We have a weaker health service compared with countries with more lax restrictions. They can take chances that we cant take

Surely the age profile of Ireland would allow us some extra freedom?

I believe our under 15 demographic is the most populated in Europe

big syke

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Cases: 115,397,905
Deaths: 2,562,643

That's the data that proves the point. It was China that allowed 5 million people fly out of Wuhan for the Lunar new year last year.

I'm sure it could have gotten out other ways but the measures were not in place and that's why we are in the situation we are today.

Then of course democracies struggle more to take the measures they should take.

Only strict lockdowns and isolation can stop a potentially deadly novel virus like this spreading.

It's not me saying it - it's suppose to be standard practice.

Sorry infections and death does not equal how we are more lax than other countires.

Surely you, as master of demanding data and facts, can prove you claims with data.

FintanMcluskey

RobTheLad wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KarlBrophy/status/1366862655126921219?s=20

Missed the vaccine target by 20,000 last week

Let’s highlight the socialising of those going to pay the largest wedge of the bill

National radio is outraged this morning

growleaves

SAMTALK wrote: »

In all the posts I've being reading I'm just wondering what age do posters deem it acceptable to say "as sure it's ok , they were old anyway, " with regards to Covid. Genuine question.

I'm sick of restrictions, I'm sick of groundhog day everyday . I'm worried about our future

BUT I understand why we have to have a lot of the restrictions that we have. It doesnt mean I like them.

Anyone who suggests that there are people who enjoy the restrictions are just taking the pi**.

I think it is quite pointless comparing ourselves to other countries at this stage because there are a lot of factors to take in not least of all our border with Norther Ireland

There seems to be a small but surprising number of people who do enjoy lockdowns. I don't think they are particularly representative but have seen posts on boards and facebook where people claim they were happy to have an escape from social obligations. In a thread on whether posters wanted to go to heaven after they died, a few posters claimed they would only want to go if they could be alone there for eternity. Some people do prefer prolonged aloneless that though that must be fairly rare.

However what's far more common is deference to the technostructure, which goes like this: The experts/Government/the European Central Bank are the people who understand these things. They have competence and no reason to not have good motives (notice the double negative, phrased that way on purpose since that is how the argument is ultimately understood) therefore we must do everything they say and there is no need for individual judgement (which is illegitimate and bound to be wrong). Scientists whose opinions, findings, conclusions go against official beliefs and conclusions in any way (as decided by officials, government and international media) are deluded or corrupt.

RobTheLad

This is from our public broadcaster folks

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1367082250001645573?s=20

Kermit.de.frog

big syke wrote: »

Sorry infections and death does not equal how we are more lax than other countires.

Surely you, as master of demanding data and facts, can prove you claims with data.

I have not made any claims saying we are more lax than other countries.

You're just being evasive and thus making a failing irrelevant point of some sort.

Russman

RobTheLad wrote: »

https://twitter.com/KarlBrophy/status/1366862655126921219?s=20

Tell Karl he's free to contact Astra Zeneca to publicly hammer them if he wishes.

big syke

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have not made any claims saying we are more lax than other countries.

You're just being evasive and thus making a failing irrelevant point of some sort.

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

.............So we can stop with the nonsense of having Europe's "harshest" lockdown then because we don't according to that analysis.....

.......But Ireland managed to avoid that rollercoaster until Christmas by having what I deem a pretty lax regime to keep control compared to what we have now.

Get off the stage. You said you believe we had lax regime after saying it was nonsense that people believe having Europe's "harshest" lockdown.

Its pretty clear what you were getting at.

Or is it this your view "we are not more strict than other countries but not more lax than other countries"?

Boggles

RobTheLad wrote: »

This is from our public broadcaster folks

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1367082250001645573?s=20

Write an essay?

Toughest restrictions in the world all right.

:rolleyes:

Sobit1964

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

People will have their own interpretations of what is lax.

Given the nature of the problem it's been lax everywhere.

There has never been, outside of China and a handful of other areas, actual "lockdowns" - there have been restrictions to varying levels.

An actual lockdown I would consider something to be magnitudes greater than what we actually had prior to Christmas.

Even today the language is wrong. We don't have a lockdown, we have restrictions.

No one is confined to their homes.

Thankfully the voices recommending communist party of china lockdowns are still reasonably muted. Your posts are sound like a cranky old man shaking his walking stick at a cloud.

KrustyUCC

Yup

I'm no fan of the HSE but issues this week were thanks to AZ

Now if we have supplies in the country and we miss vaccinations targets then I'll be the first to criticise the HSE

Russman

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yup

I'm no fan of the HSE but issues this week were thanks to AZ

Now if we have supplies in the country and we miss vaccinations targets then I'll be the first to criticise the HSE

100%

timmyntc

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I have not made any claims saying we are more lax than other countries.

You're just being evasive and thus making a failing irrelevant point of some sort.

You have dismissed people's claims that we are more strict than other countries. Which must mean you think we are more lax than other countries.

Or is this a case of Schrodinger's opinion?

RobTheLad

RobTheLad wrote: »

This is from our public broadcaster folks

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1367082250001645573?s=20

I've a feeling Professor Philip Nolan may have been behind this.

Whatsisname

RobTheLad wrote: »

This is from our public broadcaster folks

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1367082250001645573?s=20

It's understood the students in question are required the watch the recent RTÉ Investigates documentary: "Covid-19 The Third Wave", before putting pen to paper.

Thats so outrageously ridiculous I couldn't help but burst out laughing.

RobTheLad

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yup

I'm no fan of the HSE but issues this week were thanks to AZ

Now if we have supplies in the country and we miss vaccinations targets then I'll be the first to criticise the HSE

But why publicly announce targets we cannot then meet ? They knew of AZ delays over a month ago but Donnelly & Reid in their media appearances are still trotting this line out.

KrustyUCC

RobTheLad wrote: »

But why publicly announce targets we cannot then meet ? They knew of AZ delays over a month ago but Donnelly & Reid in their media appearances are still trotting this line out.

Fresh delays this week afaik

"In a statement, the HSE said it was alerted by AstraZeneca late last week that two deliveries, one last week and one this week, totalling 25,000 vaccines, were deferred.

It said that this will have an impact on vaccines administered both this week and last week.

The HSE said it has been assured that the shortfall will be recovered during this month."

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0303/1200589-coronavirus-vaccine/

I suppose the target was based on what they thought they were receiving

I do hope this isn't a regular thing though as we need to get up to 250,000 - 300,000 a week to achieve June targets

RobTheLad

RobTheLad wrote: »

But why publicly announce targets we cannot then meet ? They knew of AZ delays over a month ago but Donnelly & Reid in their media appearances are still trotting this line out.

These were missed deliveries in the last week. This was widely reported. Do people only read headlines?

JRant

Whatsisname wrote: »

Thats so outrageously ridiculous I couldn't help but burst out laughing.

Pretty dangerous stuff all the same. I mean "requiring" them to watch a piece of state sponsored material and having to write 2000 words of how wicked they were and have now seen the light is disturbing.

OwenM

JRant wrote: »

Pretty dangerous stuff all the same. I mean "requiring" them to watch a piece of state sponsored material and having to write 2000 words of how wicked they were and have now seen the light is disturbing.

"You are not thinking correctly" Double plus bad.....

FintanMcluskey

The hysteria is in overdrive

Main news item, Simon Harris jumped out of bed in his pyjamas last night to ring the Dean of Limerick university 3 times to discuss the incident and suitable punishment.

The 4th news item was the failure to meet vaccine target

timmyntc

JRant wrote: »

Pretty dangerous stuff all the same. I mean "requiring" them to watch a piece of state sponsored material and having to write 2000 words of how wicked they were and have now seen the light is disturbing.

A Clockwork (green, white &) Orange

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The hysteria is in overdrive

Main news item, Simon Harris jumped out of bed in his pyjamas last night to ring the Dean of Limerick university 3 times to discuss the incident and suitable punishment.

The 4th news item was the failure to meet vaccine target

Failure of manufacturer to meet delivery commitments