The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

Enquiring wrote: »

the only option left is to split Dublin in my view.

You should be careful what you wish for. If you do that right now you'll have four Dublin teams in the Super 8s and two in the final quite often.

There is the disingenuous argument by Colm O'Rourke which laments the amount of young footballers in Dublin who do not get to play in Croke Park or play county football. It would solve that problem.

But it won't solve his real problem, spoken from the other side of his mouth, which is Dublin dominance. It'll guarantee it in perpetuity.

Rosita wrote: »

You should be careful what you wish for. If you do that right now you'll have four Dublin teams in the Super 8s and two in the final quite often.

There is the disingenuous argument by Colm O'Rourke which laments the amount of young footballers in Dublin who do not get to play in Croke Park or play county football. It would solve that problem.

But it won't solve his real problem, spoken from the other side of his mouth, which is Dublin dominance. It'll guarantee it in perpetuity.

And people doubted that there would be a buy in from supporters in Dublin. It won't take much for big crowds to start attending matches of the new 4 counties.

Enquiring wrote: »

And people doubted that there would be a buy in from supporters in Dublin. It won't take much for big crowds to start attending matches of the new 4 counties.

So it's now about increasing crowds. Presumably that scraping noise was the goalposts being moved.

Rosita wrote: »

So it's now about increasing crowds. Presumably that scraping noise was the goalposts being moved.

Eh? It's about having fair competitions. Splitting Dublin and funding other counties will go a long way to achieving this. People have questioned whether Dublin fans would buy into it but your post is a clear sign that some definitely will.

tritium wrote: »

Dublin aren’t buying land Because there isn’t affordable land available in dublins so other approaches need to be taken to how dublin do things

By elite development you mean teaching kids how to hold a Hurley or kick a ball. By all means you can have that opinion even if the facts don’t support it, just don’t expect me to just answer without pointing out the fallacy.

Dublin have spent around 20 million on Spawell and Hollystown. You do know the plans for these sites don't you?

2 centres of excellence. Honestly, you know very little about GAA in your own county. I'm constantly having to provide data and information for you.

Enquiring wrote: »

Dublin have spent around 20 million on Spawell and Hollystown. You do know the plans for these sites don't you?

2 centres of excellence. Honestly, you know very little about GAA in your own county. I'm constantly having to provide data and information for you.

And I’m constantly having to correct the misinformation you provide

Quite the dance we have going on it seems

tritium wrote: »

And I’m constantly having to correct the misinformation you provide

Quite the dance we have going on it seems

Hollystown and Spawell are not going to be centres of excellence?

dobman88 wrote: »

Enquiring, if you got your wish of a Dublin split into 4. What crusade would you embark on after a few years of all Dublin semi finals and Dublin domination? Because with the quality and numbers they have, that's a distinct possibility.

Splitting Dublin and every county receiving appropriate funding and putting effective structures in place is the aim. With that, standards will rise across the country. The 4 new counties will also receive funding to promote Gaelic Games. They will replace an over funded and unnaturally placed county. If the 4 counties go on to dominate football and hurling then fair play to them. It will be done in a fair manner.

I've said it before, Dublin being successful is not the issue.

tritium wrote: »

Dublin don’t have a fraction of the pitches available to other counties?

Land in dublin doesn’t cost a multiple of land in other counties?

So the centres of excellence are news to you as well.

The defence of the funding disparity is all over the place. Firstly it was said that the funding was just for primary school kids but they say that they deserve the funding because they have a population of 1.3 million and use that stat to try to justify it. Is it for kids or not?

Then they say it didn't have an effect on elite levels but on the other hand, the defenders say that the funding being spread to a few other counties will increase standards at elite level there.

They say they have problems with getting access to pitches for clubs but their county board are spending multi millions on grounds for centres of excellence.

They ask why hasn't it developed hurling but Dublin have won 14 titles in inter county and club hurling post funding, they won 1 in the 20 years before that.

They say the Dublin footballers home pitch is Parnell Park but they've only played 1 championship game there in decades.

I could go on but the defence of the funding disparity really is a shambles. Resorting to abuse, lies and deflection seems to be the only play left as we see in the media and on social media.

Enquiring wrote: »

How can they dominate without a buy in from their communities? Obviously, with local players lining out at inter county level, their families and friends will go to support them. As has been noted, local derbies will attract interest and it will take off.

Again, if it was any other county who'd been drawn up and funded their own plan to the tune of millions, the same calls would be made. We just can't let a county continue with an annual income of 5 and 6 million more than most other counties, can you think of any reasons why it should be allowed to continue? How can we have fair competitions with that level of resources available to one team?

But it’s just fine for a county to have an income 4 to 5 million greater than most other counties for example? That’s presumably does allow fair competition? What counties had 6 million less income than dublins in 2019 for example. What was their gap to the other big counties income?

The split will never happen. No matter how much whinging snd botching on an Internet forum is done. Long may the dominance continue. It’s an absolute pleasure to witness the greatest football team ever to grace a GAA field show us all how the game should be played and in such a humble manner. A credit to their families snd clubs, one and all.

Enquiring wrote: »

It's not fine for any county to have 4 or 5 or 6 million more in income every year than anyone else. How can we have fair competitions if that's allowed to continue? Your whataboutery fails once again. These things are so easy when the aim is fair play. You're finding it impossible to answer questions while trying to defend the indefensible.

Nah, what you’re actually seeing here is I’m finding it impossible to ignore the fairly hypocrisy attitude of a group that says dublin are a problem but blatantly ignores others who are in a similar position and who in many cases have enjoyed that position for far longer than the dublin projects existed.

I also find it difficult to accept the bona fides of people who only had a damascene conversion on inequality in the GAA when a a particular team started winning (or very often, when their own team stopped being among the top dogs)

tritium wrote: »

Nah, what you’re actually seeing here is I’m finding it impossible to ignore the fairly hypocrisy attitude of a group that says dublin are a problem but blatantly ignores others who are in a similar position and who in many cases have enjoyed that position for far longer than the dublin projects existed.

I also find it difficult to accept the bona fides of people who only had a damascene conversion on inequality in the GAA when a a particular team started winning (or very often, when their own team stopped being among the top dogs)

So you accept that we can't have fair competitions with one county having an annual income of 4, 5 or 6 million more than everyone else?

Enquiring wrote: »

Splitting Dublin and every county receiving appropriate funding and putting effective structures in place is the aim. With that, standards will rise across the country. The 4 new counties will also receive funding to promote Gaelic Games. They will replace an over funded and unnaturally placed county. If the 4 counties go on to dominate football and hurling then fair play to them. It will be done in a fair manner.

I've said it before, Dublin being successful is not the issue.

I dunno m8. I'd have zero interest in watching an all Dublin all Ireland final tbh and thats exactly what will happen if they're split, which thankfully will never happen.

I think you're gone so far off the cliff now you dont know what you want. Not being ok with 1 Dublin in a generally competitive all Ireland series but being ok with 2,3 or 4 which will definitely dominate the entire competition makes no sense to me

tritium wrote: »

Did you read something in invisible ink in my post? I wasn’t aware I’d made a comment either way

It's a rhetorical question because of course, we can't have fair competitions if one county has that level of resources above everyone else. To claim otherwise would be ludicrous. The 2 decades of over funding and the near 100 titles across the board are enough on their own but the annual income figures are the final nail in the coffin to the defenders of the funding disparity.