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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2492
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    bloopy wrote: »
    What is going on with this 'Zero Covid' thing?
    The government don't seem to be too jazzed about it, but the likes of RTE and TodayFM have been pushing hard on it all day.
    Is there a large appetite out there to attempt a Zero Covid approach?

    Nope! Not from what I’ve seen! Seems to be a group of people who’ve taken their new found fame and ran with it to keep themselves relevant! They know we’ll be done with covid soon!


  • #2493
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Not will. Can. In some cases covid can be serious.
    And in a free society people should be allowed to tell their story even if it is not the one people want to hear. Some people are having bad reactions to the vaccines. There are official reports detailing these up to and including death. It is not 100% risk free nor can we possibly know the long term effects as long term has not happened yet.
    Even if it is a very VERY small number harmed by covid vaccines they are still real people with real reactions that might change their lives.
    And their part in the overall story of this blasted pandemic - like the stories of those with long covid, for example - should not be silenced or ignored. In my opinion. The truth should be able to withstand openness about everything.

    This is a very serious and dangerous claim to make , which needs to be backed up by evidence , Gruffalox.
    Otherwise it is just antivaxx nonsense, whether that is what you mean or not .


    It is extremely important to all of us that the vaccine rollout is not undermined by conjecture and rumour .
    Many people faint or pass out getting vaccines or any other injection, but it is not a reaction to the injection .
    Many others are unfortunately I'll either before or after they get their vaccines and their subsequent illness needs to be investigated and it is recorded if it is due to vaccine ir something else.
    Nothing is being hidden and everything is reported .
    People saying otherwise are disingenuous or just wrong .


  • #2494
    coconnellz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭coconnellz


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    I have posted this exact same reply to the exact same post by this poster on the vaccine megathread.
    Not here to scare people ? Really ? ....

    Any reactions like high temps aree meant to be reported, straight away , and damn sure it would be a registerable reaction if someone couldn't stand for 11 days !
    I wonder did these people get a Covid test ?
    It is possible to have it or get it within 2 weeks of first shot and those people should be informing their vaccinator , at the very least .
    The vaccine does not cause reactions like this or of this duration.
    I personally know of 2 colleagues who unfortunately were sick after their first shot but it was because they were subsequently tested Covid positive within a few days , when they reported ongoing symptoms .

    Sorry didnt know which tread to but it in, just worried about my experience, I hear the first shot of vaccine is were you get most reactions to it.


  • #2495
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Too tired. The cdc has a report with 196 deaths reported after vaccine so far. But there are lots of other effects reported that are very unpleasant. Lots of countries are keeping records. There is even a WHO fund to compensate those who will be damaged by the vaccine because they know it happens. Do you honestly think this would be the only medicine in the whole wide world not to have bad effects on some people? Some people who are healthy will be unhealthy after vaccination of any kind. That is a fact. Some people get bad reactions to ordinary everyday tablets. I haven't taken hardly any meds, not even an anadin, in decades as I react very badly to most stuff, even to caffeine. I had one course of antibiotics after a serious dental op a few years ago and I was as sick as a pig for a week. So yeah. Sh1t happens to some healthy people after medicines or vaccines. Why is it not permitted to say this fact?

    Your totally different sensitivity and reactions is why people who suffer like this are advised to either discuss the vaccine choices with their GP or not get it .
    But saying that it is unsafe for the vast majority of people is not correct , and frankly unwelcome .


  • #2496
    Mark1916
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Mark1916


    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1366513824401129474?s=21


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  • #2497
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    eagle eye wrote: »
    It's the country that you are visiting that doesn't want covid getting into their country. I think you should expect to be tested and quarantined there.
    I think that should be done for all incomers to this country.

    And by blocking traveling to the country without a negative test the receiving country is protected more than someone traveling with others on a plane and through an airport only to subsequently be found to be spreading a virus.


  • #2498
    Detour.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭Detour.


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    And by blocking traveling to the country without a negative test the receiving country is protected more than someone traveling with others on a plane and through an airport only to subsequently be found to be spreading a virus.

    What


  • #2499
    Mark1916
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Mark1916


    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1366517048688410626?s=21


  • #2500
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Detour. wrote: »
    What

    Simple enough. If there is be a requirement for a negative test on entering a country then it is more prudent that it is obtained prior to travel rather than on arrival. It's not rocket science .


  • #2501
    Detour.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭Detour.


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Simple enough. If there is be a requirement of a negative test on entering a country then it is more prudent that it is obtained prior to travel rather than on arrival. It's not rocket science .

    You made it sound like rocket science


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  • #2502
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    bloopy wrote: »
    What is going on with this 'Zero Covid' thing?
    The government don't seem to be too jazzed about it, but the likes of RTE and TodayFM have been pushing hard on it all day.
    Is there a large appetite out there to attempt a Zero Covid approach?

    The Zero Covid crowd making last ditch efforts to strong arm the government into adopting their philosophy through the undermining of vaccines and current lockdown measures and scaring the public. NPHET has rubbished it but that really doesn't seem to matter to the followers.


  • #2503
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    bloopy wrote: »
    What is going on with this 'Zero Covid' thing?
    The government don't seem to be too jazzed about it, but the likes of RTE and TodayFM have been pushing hard on it all day.
    Is there a large appetite out there to attempt a Zero Covid approach?

    Anthony stains was on my local radio station tipp fm this morning “selling “ that zero COVID crap


  • #2504
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Detour. wrote: »
    You made it sound like rocket science

    There's a reply to that but it may be misconstrued as an insult. Suffice to say it was all there in relatively simple words. :)


  • #2505
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    There's a reply to that but it may be misconstrued as an insult. Suffice to say it was all there in relatively simple words. :)

    Reread it twice , before I got it, in fairness Jim !
    No offence , but punctuation is a great asset to comprehension ;)


  • #2506
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    Mark1916 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/riochtconor2/status/1366513824401129474?s=21

    Good to see and hopefully the numbers continue to decline to about 300 to 350 next Monday.


  • #2507
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    Anthony stains was on my local radio station tipp fm this morning “selling “ that zero COVID crap

    Staines has taken over as the worst of them all. Even Ryan and McConkey sometimes slip up and make some sense. But Staines....well, he has truly gone through the ZC looking glass


  • #2508
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Hospital cases at 8pm today

    Total 494 (down from 537 last night)
    ICU 115 (down from 132 last night)

    Lowest total figure since 30 Dec
    Lowest ICU figure since 8 Jan

    Great progress

    Heartening to see


  • #2509
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Always_Running wrote: »
    Good to see and hopefully the numbers continue to decline to about 300 to 350 next Monday.

    Indeed and below 500 cases tomorrow would be the icing on the cake.


  • #2510
    blowitupref
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭blowitupref


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    Anthony stains was on my local radio station tipp fm this morning “selling “ that zero COVID crap

    To be expected he's one of zero covid bucks.


  • #2511
    Detour.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭Detour.


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Indeed and below 500 cases tomorrow would be the icing on the cake.

    What do you mean

    The icing on what cake ?


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  • #2512
    cameramonkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    Detour. wrote: »
    What do you mean

    The icing on what cake ?


    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/icing%20on%20the%20cake


  • #2513
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Detour. wrote: »
    What do you mean

    The icing on what cake ?

    Ah , I take it back about the punctuation, Jim :pac:


  • #2514
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Too tired. The cdc has a report with 196 deaths reported after vaccine so far. But there are lots of other effects reported that are very unpleasant. Lots of countries are keeping records. There is even a WHO fund to compensate those who will be damaged by the vaccine because they know it happens. Do you honestly think this would be the only medicine in the whole wide world not to have bad effects on some people? Some people who are healthy will be unhealthy after vaccination of any kind. That is a fact. Some people get bad reactions to ordinary everyday tablets. I haven't taken hardly any meds, not even an anadin, in decades as I react very badly to most stuff, even to caffeine. I had one course of antibiotics after a serious dental op a few years ago and I was as sick as a pig for a week. So yeah. Sh1t happens to some healthy people after medicines or vaccines. Why is it not permitted to say this fact?

    Ahh come off it, that's not phrasing it fairly at all saying the CDC has "a report with 196 deaths after vaccine" - those 196 deaths were clearly clarified in that CDC report:

    "These reports of death to VAERS involve temporally associated deaths following vaccination due to any cause; adverse event reports to VAERS, including deaths, should not be assumed to be causally related to vaccination. Mortality in LTCF residents is high and substantial numbers of deaths in this population will occur following vaccination as temporally associated coincidental events"


  • #2515
    Detour.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34 ✭Detour.


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    Ah , I take it back about the punctuation, Jim :pac:

    Don't take everything literally , u know


  • #2516
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Detour. wrote: »
    Don't take everything literally , u know

    Yes, can see that:)


  • #2517
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,640 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    Donald and Melania have been vaccinated
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2518
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Interesting overview on the pandemic in Ireland to date...


    https://twitter.com/illustratethis/status/1365753701336555524?s=20


  • #2519
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Just on this most of the outbreaks around the opening of schools in September and October where "family outbreaks".

    The past couple of months despite having far higher numbers hasn't seen the same number of family outbreaks. There were far more outbreaks then despite there being far less cases. That doesn't make sense.

    Wonder why that is.....

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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Contacts were not being tested for the first 5 weeks of the year. That’s why family outbreaks were low, outbreaks in general actually

    Yeah that is true about contact tracing. Comparing the two periods the number of 'non family' outbreaks is the same. If contact tracing wasn't operational during the new year then I'd expect the non family to be reduced also.

    What's clear from the chart is that when contact tracing (48 hours) is operational the bulk of outbreaks are classed as family. When it is not operational there are little to no 'family outbreaks' but there is no difference to the number of non family outbreaks.

    That suggests there's two types of contact tracing and during the school opening September / October most infections were linked to family outbreaks. Either way contact tracing hasn't been fit for purpose since the start.

    It's main objective is to break onward chains of infection. Yet regularly people have used it to state things like, 'people only get it in their home, look at the data' Incidentally they've also been able to say that 'little to no transmission occurs in schools' despite not actually contact tracing back to the likely source of infection.


  • #2520
    patnor1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,304 ✭✭✭patnor1011


    This is very concerning.
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/almost-one-million-hospital-appointments-cancelled-by-pandemic-40147955.html

    This has a potential to overwhelm hospitals right after they try to go to business as usual.
    And if not, it will result in ever longer waiting lists and people getting considerably worse if not ending up dead from something which may have been treatable if caught in time.


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  • #2521
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,219 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Cork2021 wrote: »
    This man is supposed to be smart, but is actually thick! All the zero covid loons, never follow up with any data etc!!

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1366491795316695048?s=21

    He starts off his scaremongering by calling it very bad news but then goes on to say 1 out of 3 of them MAY evade the vaccine.
    For people who have a career in science, these ISAG crowd sure love hear say and not going on fact based information.


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