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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2432
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    That might explain it. Contact tracing broke down over those months.

    Yeah maybe so. It's still a bit weird though because the number of non family outbreaks is similar to wave 2. i.e the absolute number of those outbreaks didn't change. Given that contact tracing only went back 48hrs the vast majority of outbreaks will be classed as 'family'. The mean incubation is thought to be 5-6 days so if someone gets it the origin of the infection won't be recorded ever so will be classed as 'family'.


  • #2433
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Its bizarre their change in tone the last week . Focusing on the positives now which is a clear change in tack

    Clear they knew they lost the room last week

    They didn't lose me, I don't need anybody to be positive for the sake of being positive. The facts are very simple, more mixing of society, the numbers go up. Vaccines are working but will take at least 6 months here for it to roll out. Say most people are like me, just listen to the news, don't get highly emotional over it, accept the situation and the fact that most of the world is in the same boat. Get on with our lives, home schooling, work, walk in the park, make the dinner, watch tv, go to bed, same next day. Looking forward to a nice summer and hopefully we will get there....


  • #2434
    jhegarty
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    The UK falling rapidly recently. Just 5,455 cases today.


  • #2435
    TheDoctor
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    jhegarty wrote: »
    The UK falling rapidly recently. Just 5,455 cases today.

    That's now with approaching 25% population vaccinated. About 5 times our current level.


  • #2436
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Arghus wrote: »
    I think they are great to be honest. Very good information provided each week. The most concise and crucial of all the info that's available. The epidemiology reports on Thursday in particular are usually the best bird's eye view you'll get about what its going on. Even if you don't agree with NPHET you can listen to their rationale straight from the horse's mouth and make up your own mind about it. If you don't agree with it fine, but I read an awful lot of people trashing these briefings who appear never to watch them.

    I honestly don't know how people have a problem with these briefings. They aren't hysterical, they aren't depressing, they're very matter of fact. I appreciate that these briefings exist. Otherwise we'd just be left either completely in the dark or just left to hear it in garbled form from our politicians. I'd rather hear it from NPHET, who at least seem to have a clue what they are talking about.

    Let us agree to disagree!


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  • #2437
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    brookers wrote: »
    They didn't lose me, I don't need anybody to be positive for the sake of being positive. The facts are very simple, more mixing of society, the numbers go up. Vaccines are working but will take at least 6 months here for it to roll out. Say most people are like me, just listen to the news, don't get highly emotional over it, accept the situation and the fact that most of the world is in the same boat. Get on with our lives, home schooling, work, walk in the park, make the dinner, watch tv, go to bed, same next day. Looking forward to a nice summer and hopefully we will get there....

    Work . Ah I see . Should've started with that .


  • #2438
    Tpcl20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 293 ✭✭Tpcl20


    Did I hear Philip Nolan say some absolute headmelter earlier like "there's no child to child transmission" or child to adult transmission or something.


  • #2439
    brookers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭brookers


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Work . Ah I see . Should've started with that .

    Husband is not working as level 5 restrictions prevent him from doing so, I'm down to less than two days, some week 1.5 days. I work pretty hard in the home though keeping us all going....


  • #2440
    [Deleted User]
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Just on this most of the outbreaks around the opening of schools in September and October where "family outbreaks".

    The past couple of months despite having far higher numbers hasn't seen the same number of family outbreaks. There were far more outbreaks then despite there being far less cases. That doesn't make sense.

    Wonder why that is.....

    545513.png

    Contacts were not being tested for the first 5 weeks of the year. That’s why family outbreaks were low, outbreaks in general actually


  • #2441
    bodhrandude
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    My mate in Quebec was telling that covid cases in schools there are hitting the 50% percent mark, which is quite a contribution towards the cases.

    https://www.quebec.ca/en/health/health-issues/a-z/2019-coronavirus/situation-coronavirus-in-quebec/?fbclid=IwAR0ZLOYHuGaUbdzKEDdgUsAxAxCHjiwS7FpuRHTnYjCWaYcAl0JpXe6VOrU#c75434

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #2442
    JP Liz V1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 91,632 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    No Covid19 ICU admissions in the past 24 hours, for the first time in 2021
    https://forumofgames.com/




  • #2443
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    There's always differences. There was 4 days in a row last week where swabs were higher than cases. It seems to have caught up to a degree today.

    Don't worry too much about it. It never lines up day to day.

    Thanks but I can understand the swab number being hirer than cases (for example from second tests etc.) but not the other way around?


  • #2444
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    jhegarty wrote: »
    The UK falling rapidly recently. Just 5,455 cases today.

    Less cases than us per head of population. Very good news.


  • #2445
    Stheno
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    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Thanks but I can understand the swab number being hirer than cases (for example from second tests etc.) but not the other way around?

    previously unreported backlogs of swabs which were not converted to cases


  • #2446
    Dermot224
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Dermot224


    Reading this makes me worry for schools

    The latest report on Covid-19 cases from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows that there were 1,403 cases in children aged 12 years and younger, in the two weeks to 27 February.

    Of these, 28 were admitted to hospital, but none were in intensive care units.


  • #2447
    coconnellz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭coconnellz


    I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward but the cure has to be better than covid itself.


  • #2448
    [Deleted User]
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    coconnellz wrote: »
    I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

    And the cure is indeed better than COVID itself

    A small cohort of people get reactions from the flu jab too


  • #2449
    coconnellz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭coconnellz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    And the cure is indeed better than COVID itself

    A small cohort of people get reactions from the flu jab too

    these are young fit people that never got reactions to the flu jab and work in medical field they got there flu jabs every year, that are getting seriously sick with these vaccines!!


  • #2450
    poppers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭poppers


    Dermot224 wrote: »
    Reading this makes me worry for schools

    The latest report on Covid-19 cases from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows that there were 1,403 cases in children aged 12 years and younger, in the two weeks to 27 February.

    Of these, 28 were admitted to hospital, but none were in intensive care units.

    well below average as you can see from tweet below.

    https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1366458977316388877


  • #2451
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    coconnellz wrote: »
    these are young fit people that never got reactions to the flu jab and work in medical field they got there flu jabs every year, that are getting seriously sick with these vaccines!!
    If you think a reaction to a vaccine is "seriously sick", wait until you see what Covid will do.


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  • #2452
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,296 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Dermot224 wrote: »
    Reading this makes me worry for schools

    The latest report on Covid-19 cases from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre shows that there were 1,403 cases in children aged 12 years and younger, in the two weeks to 27 February.

    Of these, 28 were admitted to hospital, but none were in intensive care units.

    That's below the average per capita by age group in the country.


  • #2453
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    coconnellz wrote: »
    I'm not here to scare People but we have to talk about this perspective about how wonderful this vaccine is and how safe it is, but what is not discussed enough is the serious side effects to the vaccine, these are not just sore arms but high temperatures shakes feeling absolutely wipe out even 11 days struggling to stand!, and being put on steroids. This is not a one of case and my girlfriend fainted after it and some of her colleges were quite sick after it aswell, I understand vaccination can be a way forward but the cure has to be better than covid itself.

    This is important and not to be dismissed. I'm very far from being an anti vaxxer. In fact I can't wait for my turn to get the covid vaccine and I'm genuinely worried. I'm not writing anything else on this but hopped out at me because of similar.


  • #2454
    Gruffalux
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    hmmm wrote: »
    If you think a reaction to a vaccine is "seriously sick", wait until you see what Covid will do.

    Not will. Can. In some cases covid can be serious.
    And in a free society people should be allowed to tell their story even if it is not the one people want to hear. Some people are having bad reactions to the vaccines. There are official reports detailing these up to and including death. It is not 100% risk free nor can we possibly know the long term effects as long term has not happened yet.
    Even if it is a very VERY small number harmed by covid vaccines they are still real people with real reactions that might change their lives.
    And their part in the overall story of this blasted pandemic - like the stories of those with long covid, for example - should not be silenced or ignored. In my opinion. The truth should be able to withstand openness about everything.


  • #2455
    hmmm
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    Gruffalux wrote: »
    Not will. Can. In some cases covid can be serious.
    And in a free society people should be allowed to tell their story even if it is not the one people want to hear. Some people are having bad reactions to the vaccines. There are official reports detailing these up to and including death.
    Let's see your evidence that people have died from the vaccines.


  • #2456
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Ok so after a search, it seems that the wording was, at least in the case I found "Nphet has repeatedly advised that schools are safe environments with low levels of child-to-child and child-to-adult transmission".

    Not "children cant get it and if they do they don't spread it"
    PowerToWait wrote: »
    Ciara Kelly said it multiple times a day for months last year. Her exact words were “we know children don’t get it, and they don’t spread it”. It was her mantra. For months.

    Ciara Kelly was a little more optimistic a while back though, very close to saying they don't spread it:

    "These findings suggest that schools are not a high risk setting for transmission of COVID-19 between pupils or between staff and pupils. Given the burden of closure, reopening of schools should be considered as an early rather than a late measure in the lifting of restriction. Our report includes both the primary and secondary school setting, with no transmission in either setting. The limited evidence of transmission in school settings supports the re-opening of schools as part of the easing of current restrictions. There are no zero risk approaches, but the school environment appears to be low risk.

    We examined Irish notifications of SARS-CoV2 in the school setting before school closures on 12 March 2020 and identified no paediatric transmission. This adds to current evidence that children do not appear to be drivers of transmission, and we argue that reopening schools should be considered safe accompanied by certain measures."


  • #2457
    podgeandrodge
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    OwenM wrote: »
    Publicity and a raised profile, perhaps in the hope it will help with further research grant applications.

    Ego is a factor too, academics are renowned for having massive ego's and they have never felt more relevant or important than now.
    Thornysheep wrote: »
    Absolutely false generalisation.

    I'll counter that with "Absolutely true generalisation". I know a few, and most of them would acknowledge it themselves!


  • #2458
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    Are there much people still using the covid app?

    I met a friend over the weekend for a social distancing walk and I asked her if she's still using the app. She said she removed the app months ago because she doesn't believe it works or its nonsense and she said the Bluetooth drains the battery.

    To be honest I thought it was a real 'anti covid' response.
    I still have the app and I have bluetooth on now nearly right around the clock for other Bluetooth connected devices and I don't find it drains my battery.
    I am disappointed to hear that because I consider the app to be an important tool in tackling covid and we are lucky to live in a time to have such a tool within such a short space of time. I also think, tackling and beating covid will not be from one measure alone - it will be a multi tool approach.

    muddypuppy wrote: »
    The app itself says 1.3 millions "active" users, whatever active mean. It also says that 150k people checked in today. The real number is somewhere in between I'd say. I'm actually surprised by how many people checked in, I haven't opened it in forever.

    But the real surprising part is how little alerts it sent out. It says only ~23000 since being introduced. It seems very low to me if 1.3 millions is the number of people with it installed and working.
    Does anyone here have any experience with being notified or having HSE upload your random ID in it?

    No way there is 1.3m active users. News reports from a few months ago, and it's doubtful if there have been many downloads since, suggest 1.3m downloads occurred. Less than 150k using it these days, which would suggest limited value perhaps.


  • #2459
    [Deleted User]
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    Having some reaction to a vaccine is a sign one's immune system has responded and is being primed, which I would generally regard as positive. I've had lots of vaccines through my life, most have mild effects, but occasionally I've been fairly sick, including a week of gastric-enteric reaction (have no colon so possibly felt much worse effects than most) after receiving cholera vaccine. I would still rather have had that non-dangerous but inconvenient sickness at home than a dose of deadly cholera in a region without medical support. It's all about risk assessment, and being prepared for a day or two of being (not seriously) unwell if necessary.


  • #2460
    [Deleted User]
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    coconnellz wrote: »
    So somebody that's young and never got sick and after getting a vaccine even after 11 days they don't have the energy to be able to stand up and are really worried is not classified as not seriously sick, I need to get your measurements for how sick you can be.

    If you’re that worried about it, don’t take it. Simples

    Might not be able to travel, but that’s your choice


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  • #2461
    Cork2021
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,443 ✭✭✭Cork2021


    This man is supposed to be smart, but is actually thick! All the zero covid loons, never follow up with any data etc!!

    https://twitter.com/astaines/status/1366491795316695048?s=21


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