Good calving cameras / security cameras

emaherx · 01-03-2021 09:58PM

onrail wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question , but is there any reason why a 'powerline' adaptor wouldn't work to bring wifi from the router in the house out to the shed?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TL-WPA4220KIT-Powerline-Broadband-Configuration-UK/dp/B01LXOZ4EN/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+network+adapters+wifi&qid=1614627504&s=computers&sr=1-3

Distance most likely will be an issue. Depends how far away the shed is.

Power line adapters are a bit of a black art at the best of times and are often unreliable within the house. If you have some try them but I wouldn't rush out to buy them over a wireless bridge solution.

emaherx · 01-03-2021 10:01PM

White Clover wrote: »

Thanks for that, Hard Knocks but I haven't a clue about any of this stuff.
Could you put up a link to these so I'd know what I'm looking at?

If it's just one camera, some earlier in this thread bought reolink cameras that just take a sim card.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reolink-Security-Wireless-Rechargeable-Suitable-Go-Camera/dp/B07JFWRHN3/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=reolink+4g+camera&qid=1614632447&sprefix=reolink+4g&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExUDI5MjZCSDQ2MFM2JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjI3ODUxM1BHTzM0UUM4RE0xNyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUExMDAyMDI1M1NKSUc2SE85Qk1FMiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3Bob25lX3NlYXJjaF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

White Clover · 01-03-2021 10:07PM

emaherx wrote: »

If it's just one camera, some earlier in this thread bought reolink cameras that just take a sim card.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reolink-Security-Wireless-Rechargeable-Suitable-Go-Camera/dp/B07JFWRHN3/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?dchild=1&keywords=reolink+4g+camera&qid=1614632447&sprefix=reolink+4g&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUExUDI5MjZCSDQ2MFM2JmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNjI3ODUxM1BHTzM0UUM4RE0xNyZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUExMDAyMDI1M1NKSUc2SE85Qk1FMiZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX3Bob25lX3NlYXJjaF9hdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl

I have one of them ordered for a shed with no power that I will use for this year. I'll be moving sheep in bunches to the main shed as they get closer to lambing so I was thinking of putting together a set up with possibly a ptz camera.
I don't have a clue what I need to order to make it work.

pms7 · 01-03-2021 10:12PM

onrail wrote: »

Maybe a stupid question , but is there any reason why a 'powerline' adaptor wouldn't work to bring wifi from the router in the house out to the shed?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TL-WPA4220KIT-Powerline-Broadband-Configuration-UK/dp/B01LXOZ4EN/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+network+adapters+wifi&qid=1614627504&s=computers&sr=1-3

Not great even in extension onto house. Use a wireless link, they work well.

https://www.novatel.ie/long-range-wifi

pms7 · 01-03-2021 10:13PM

White Clover wrote: »

Looking for some advice here.
I need a lambing camera for a shed, power there but no broadband. Good phone coverage on the 3 network.
Any recommendations?

What broadband have you in house?
distance house to shed?

893bet · 01-03-2021 10:13PM

White Clover wrote: »

I have one of them ordered for a shed with no power that I will use for this year. I'll be moving sheep in bunches to the main shed as they get closer to lambing so I was thinking of putting together a set up with possibly a ptz camera.
I don't have a clue what I need to order to make it work.

If you don’t know what you are doing (same as I didn’t) then a 4g Reolink is fool proof (make sure it’s a 4g camera). Should cost around 230 for the camera with solar charger. Maybe cheaper without the solar but you will need to charge the camera twice a month or more depending on use.

It does also mean adding a SIM card with a data plan. I think the cheapest in Ireland is around 11 a month.

It’s plug and play really. Fool prof to set up as long as the sim has the pin turned off

emaherx · 01-03-2021 10:14PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Okay - got the security lights sorted around the shed so next task is these cameras.
I think Hikvision is the route I'll go, but I'm struggling to find a decent price on them as they seem to be trade-only. I'm VAT registered so I would have thought that would have helped.

I can cover the majority of the shed with a single PTZ. I can leave the exterior security cameras for another time during summer, but need to get this one up ASAP.

So, I'm looking for:
Hikvision*
PTZ
IP camera
POE
Audio

* Really just need a recognised brand with a neat interface and maybe a TV app (but not necessary). Most installs seem to be Hikvision, so that'll do me.

What and where should I be looking for this? How little can I get away with at this stage? I presume I could just run a cable from house to shed straight into camera and worry about the network switch and NVR at a later date?

Thanks.

App for TV might be an issue depending on your current TV. Android TV or box and install the phone/tablet App. (Not straight forward on official Android TV devices, requires side loading). Other Smart TV's may have a generic CCTV app but may not control PTZ functions.

You've no need for NVR or the POE switch, but obviously need to power it some way, either a socket beside the camera or a POE injector, sometimes the injector is included.

White Clover · 01-03-2021 10:23PM

893bet wrote: »

If you don’t know what you are doing (same as I didn’t) then a 4g Reolink is fool proof (make sure it’s a 4g camera). Should cost around 230 for the camera with solar charger. Maybe cheaper without the solar but you will need to charge the camera twice a month or more depending on use.

It does also mean adding a SIM card with a data plan. I think the cheapest in Ireland is around 11 a month.

It’s plug and play really. Fool prof to set up as long as the sim has the pin turned off

Not a clue! I have one of them on the way, the same as you got. I have power in the other shed so was thinking of doing a more versatile job. Perhaps I should just order a second one of the same.

White Clover · 01-03-2021 10:24PM

pms7 wrote: »

What broadband have you in house?
distance house to shed?

No broadband as its an outside farm. Have good coverage on the 3 network.

emaherx · 01-03-2021 10:28PM

White Clover wrote: »

Not a clue! I have one of them on the way, the same as you got. I have power in the other shed so was thinking of doing a more versatile job. Perhaps I should just order a second one of the same.

There is a PTZ version too.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Reolink-Security-Camera-Go-PT/dp/B08793V6VZ/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=reolink+4g+camera&qid=1614634131&sprefix=reolink+4g&sr=8-3

But if you want a separate router, it's fairly simple too. Don't let the POE switch talk confuse you too much. If you want to avoid them then you just need to provide power to the camera with a conventional power socket.

893bet · 01-03-2021 10:52PM

White Clover wrote: »

Not a clue! I have one of them on the way, the same as you got. I have power in the other shed so was thinking of doing a more versatile job. Perhaps I should just order a second one of the same.

That would mean two separate data plans if you get a second one of the 4g. Like someone said a router and mobile plan would work...if you knew what you were doing. I didn’t and went the easy option. “48” will send a free sim out and you have a 7 day trial before you have to start paying. It’s a real trial also. Not one where you have to sign up to get the 7 days and then cancel it. If after the 7 days are up and you haven’t signed up to pay it just stops working.

Looking at how much data mine uses it really is feck all. As it only uses when I log in as not recording or anything like that.

If there was a decent pay as you go option where you didn’t have to pay x amount per month just to keep it active then that would be a good option.

893bet · 01-03-2021 10:53PM

White Clover wrote: »

No broadband as its an outside farm. Have good coverage on the 3 network.

48 uses that network and will be far cheaper than 3 for a data only plan.

893bet · 01-03-2021 11:04PM

Lyra mobile seem to have a 5 er a month plan for 3gb data. That would go a long way if it works with the camera and you have coverage

AntrimGlens · 02-03-2021 10:59AM

It pays to look around for cameras. The guy that's installing mine was quoting me £520 for this camera. I picked it up online from cctv direct for exactly half the price plus the VAT. It's 4 MP and X20 zoom, so should cover the shed well.
Just need to get two P2P's and a bit of CAT5 and I should be good to go for the weekend.

emaherx · 02-03-2021 11:11AM

Hikvision are the cream of the crop but definitely reflected in the price.

HiLook from Hikvision are worth a look as they are nearly half the price and really only missing the input/outputs for integrating into large security command centre type installations.

Foscam are also worth a look, cheaper than Hikvision but popular in the domestic type installations.

The MP is just the density of pixels available on the sensor. A 1MP sensor will be about 720p and a 2MP sensor will be around 1080p.

Optical Zoom on a 2MP sensor will out perform digital zoom on a 4MP sensor, (in a live feed)

AntrimGlens · 02-03-2021 03:18PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Do you have the model of that one?
From what I've been reading the 4 series Hikvision can work on POE but the bigger ones require an injector.

4MP DS-2DE4425IW-DE(S5) 25 × IR Network Speed Dome

The Hikvision DS-2DE4425IW-DE(S5) is a 4 megapixel PTZ featuring AcuSense technology. AcuSense technology uses a deep learning algorithm to detect human and vehicle targets, accurately improving target classification, alarm, and linked tracking.

With the 25x optical zoom lens and a focal length of 4.8mm to 120mm, this PTZ is able to cover expansive areas with excellent image detail. As well as featuring the DarkFighter technology and an IR range of up to 100 meters the DS-2DE4425IW-DE(S5) also uses WDR, HLC, BLC, 3D DNR, to combat difficult light scenarios.

The IP66 rating provides users with the assurance of a weather and dust proof device.
£273.09
£327.71 (inc. VAT)

endainoz · 12-03-2021 05:17PM

Thought some people might want some update on the cheap nano stations that were recommended a few months back. I'm still using them anyway, I'm not sure if I set them up properly though. They do work ok most of the time but the signal does drop off at times. I think I may need to set up a bridging network or something for it.

But for the most part it works fairly well.

893bet · 12-03-2021 05:58PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Do you all install an external mic with your cameras or not - or do you have an integrated mic in your cameras?

Reolink 4g ones have sound built in. You can also talk through it.

I enjoy going “moooo” occasionally and watching the cow twist around wondering what’s going on.

Have also seen my dog in there near a newly born calf looking for calf ****e or cleaning (dogs are such scum....and we let them lick us!) and have called him and he was very confused

pms7 · 12-03-2021 09:47PM

funkey_monkey wrote: »

I was recommended the DS-2DE4225IW-DE. £305 inc VAT.

Alongside that one I notice an external microphone is required. Audio makes the system much better so I'll not be installing without it.

The Hikvision DS-2DE4225IW-DE is a 2MP PTZ camera with a 4.8mm - 120mm lens that allows optical zooming up to 25x. This camera has infra-red LEDs that are effective up to 100m and also works in ultra low light environments by using a range of image enhancing features: wide dynamic range (WDR), highlight/back light compensation (HLC/BLC), 3D digital noise reduction technology (3D DNR) and electronic image stabilization (EIS).

The DS-2DE4225IW-DE is suitable for external applications with IP66 rated weatherproof housing and the option to connect external microphones or speakers. It is also fitted with a range of smart features to further improve security such as motion detection, intrusion detection, line crossing detection and object removal detection.
Full HD 1080P real-time video

25X optical zoom, 16X digital zoom

4.8 - 120mm

Up to 100 IR distance

IP66

H.265+ compression

3D intelligent positioning

120dBWDR

True day / night

Hi-PoE (18W) / 12VDC

Comes with DS-1603ZJ bracket

TBH - doesn't seem to be much difference between them - although yours has a higher max resolution.

That is the camera I have with 2 years. Can't fault it, night vision is super, even at a distance zoomed in. Better than leaving lights on, b+w obviously.
I got external mic for it €60. It doesn't have SD card slot.
Hikvision phone App is fair, has presets, but must use on screen button to move ptz, rather than swiping across screen.

cjpm · 12-03-2021 09:53PM

pms7 wrote: »

That is the camera I have with 2 years. Can't fault it, night vision is super, even at a distance zoomed in. Better than leaving lights on, b+w obviously.
I got external mic for it €60. It doesn't have SD card slot.
Hikvision phone App is fair, has presets, but must use on screen button to move ptz, rather than swiping across screen.

PMS - I've a Hikvision system too but failed to get a mic set up with it.

Could you let me know what mic you bought and how did you set it up?

pms7 · 12-03-2021 11:27PM

cjpm wrote: »

PMS - I've a Hikvision system too but failed to get a mic set up with it.

Could you let me know what mic you bought and how did you set it up?

Got it all from CCTV Direct.ie, I just asked for a mic, it's just plugged into the mic jack, no issue getting it working

squinn2912 · 14-03-2021 12:09AM

If anyone doubted the potential saving a camera can make for you!

AntrimGlens · 15-03-2021 03:11PM

Got my camera installed on friday, great job checking the ewes again from the leaba. Into work today in the office and go to check everything is fine in the shed and the camera says it's offline. The guy that installed it now tells me he thinks I need an NVR to get remote access. Would that be right?
Can the IP address not just be changed to allow remote access? My knowledge of IT/techy stuff is limited as you can tell.

emaherx · 15-03-2021 03:55PM

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Got my camera installed on friday, great job checking the ewes again from the leaba. Into work today in the office and go to check everything is fine in the shed and the camera says it's offline. The guy that installed it now tells me he thinks I need an NVR to get remote access. Would that be right?
Can the IP address not just be changed to allow remote access? My knowledge of IT/techy stuff is limited as you can tell.

Surely if you paid someone to set it up for you they should be able to help you out.

Depends on the make / model, but most modern systems have a P2P or cloud, option, should be just a case of creating an account and switching the service on.

If no P2P/cloud option then you need to setup port forwarding on your router. And if your ISP dose not provide you a static IP you need to either request one or sign up for a dynamic DNS service.

But the P2P option is by far the easiest option, let us know the make/model of the IP cameras and I can have a look if you like.

RobinBanks · 15-03-2021 04:07PM

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Got my camera installed on friday, great job checking the ewes again from the leaba. Into work today in the office and go to check everything is fine in the shed and the camera says it's offline. The guy that installed it now tells me he thinks I need an NVR to get remote access. Would that be right?
Can the IP address not just be changed to allow remote access? My knowledge of IT/techy stuff is limited as you can tell.

Do you know if you have a static IP? if you can view cameras from home on your local network it might be as simple as you are not using the correct IP address to remote into camera

AntrimGlens · 15-03-2021 04:27PM

emaherx wrote: »

Surely if you paid someone to set it up for you they should be able to help you out.

Depends on the make / model, but most modern systems have a P2P or cloud, option, should be just a case of creating an account and switching the service on.

If no P2P/cloud option then you need to setup port forwarding on your router. And if your ISP dose not provide you a static IP you need to either request one or sign up for a dynamic DNS service.

But the P2P option is by far the easiest option, let us know the make/model of the IP cameras and I can have a look if you like.

Thanks emaherx. Its a Hikvision 4MP DS-2DE4425IWDE 25xIR camera. The guy that installed it is coming back tonight to look so it will be useful to be able to tell him this. He installed 2 P2Ps, one on our satellite dish pole at the house where the previous one was and on outside the shed. Shed is only 30m from the house, with uninterrupted line of sight.

AckwelFoley · 15-03-2021 05:17PM

I got a camera for exactly the same reason. My father is elderly, the farm is 20 miles away. So I installed a camera 2 years ago.

Now I have 28 cameras, motion activated alarms, smartplugs and smart flood lights..

All I am missing is tripwires and explosives.

I choose to use WiFi cameras. Theyre not as good as POE cameras but more flexible when spread over a large area imo.

This is my latest addition. Motion alert, floodlight and camera..all 3 can be remotely controlled. It's in a machinery shed.

Each additional camera costs me less than 50 quid.

We haven't lost a calf in 2 years.

For me it's important to be able to manage and maintain my own system. If one is waiting on a professional, its not much use if it goes down on a Friday evening and can't any one out to fix it. Which usually costs lots of $$$

Lots of teething problems and learning but hugely worth it

timple23 · 15-03-2021 05:33PM

I have similar problem. Two cameras are connected to a 4g router box, every one in a while they will both say offline and it's remedied by simply pulling out the plug and putting it back in. Might happen once in a month or 6 weeks. One camera is Hikvision, the other is a cheap wifi one. Any idea what causes it? Have a gsm socket ordered to overcome this.

AckwelFoley · 15-03-2021 05:37PM

timple23 wrote: »

I have similar problem. Two cameras are connected to a 4g router box, every one in a while they will both say offline and it's remedied by simply pulling out the plug and putting it back in. Might happen once in a month or 6 weeks. One camera is Hikvision, the other is a cheap wifi one. Any idea what causes it? Have a gsm socket ordered to overcome this.

I have that too.

Usually poor connection but not always

Buy 2 Wifiplugs or Sonoff plugs.

Problem solved. I always install a WiFi plug per 2 or 3 cameras for this very reason.

If I have power outage or drop in signal the odd occasion the camera fails to come back.

Power cycle usually solves it

emaherx · 15-03-2021 06:09PM

AntrimGlens wrote: »

Thanks emaherx. Its a Hikvision 4MP DS-2DE4425IWDE 25xIR camera. The guy that installed it is coming back tonight to look so it will be useful to be able to tell him this. He installed 2 P2Ps, one on our satellite dish pole at the house where the previous one was and on outside the shed. Shed is only 30m from the house, with uninterrupted line of sight.

The P2P in this case is a cloud protocol for remote viewing and nothing to do with your point to point wireless bridge.

The Hikvision instructions are provided in a link above by funkey_monkey. Should be straight forward with no need for static IPs, port forwarding or any dynamic DNS service.

Good calving cameras / security cameras

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