Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 02:06PM

First Up wrote: »

Well apart from the 50% of the country's imports and exports, the oil terminals, power station and few other storage and distribution areas.

Ever been there?

Yes, I've travelled on the ferries for leisure regularly, which obviously makes up the majority of trips.

Trudee · 01-03-2021 02:07PM

DoraDelite wrote: »

Eh? why on earth would someone from Blackrock or further south be trying to use the Strand Road to access the M50? it's certainly not in anyway to most suited route. The Sandyford Junction M50 is one of the closest points to most of South Dublin, certainly not the via Strand road or Sandymount.

The fact you also used Blackrock to the IFSC as an example journey that people can only make by car via the Strand Road and has no alternatives says a lot about your motives. Reading between the lines, I would guess that's a car journey you make on a regular basis and you're annoyed that you will now have to rethink your unsustainable transport choices.

The Sandymount Cycle Trial has been stalled until end of April therefore remains open to both South and North bound traffic accessing East Link Bridge & north Dublin

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 02:08PM

First Up wrote: »

Well apart from the 50% of the country's imports and exports, the oil terminals, power station and few other storage and distribution areas.

Ever been there?

Why would they use strand road when they are meant to use the port tunnel?

First Up · 01-03-2021 02:14PM

DoraDelite wrote:

Eh? why on earth would someone from Blackrock or further south be trying to use the Strand Road to access the M50? it's certainly not in anyway to most suited route.44 The Sandyford Junction M50 is one of the closest points to most of South Dublin, certainly not the via Strand road or Sandymount.

I agree M50 isn't a great example unless going somewhere like Ballymun but the Toll Bridge is the main route to the Port Port Tunnel , airport and M1.

First Up · 01-03-2021 02:21PM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

Yes, I've travelled on the ferries for leisure regularly, which obviously makes up the majority of trips.

Private leisure traffic makes up about 5% of Port users.

I suggest you go there again and look a bit more closely next time.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 02:27PM

First Up wrote: »

Private leisure traffic makes up about 5% of Port users.

I suggest you go there again and look a bit more closely next time.

Why do you want commercial vehicles, including articulated lorries on Strand road rather than the roads they are meant to use to access the port area?

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 02:27PM

First Up wrote: »

Private leisure traffic makes up about 5% of Port users.

I suggest you go there again and look a bit more closely next time.

Source please? And what's that got to do with Strand Road, given that the trucks use the tunnel?

Most car journeys on Strand Road are obviously leisure.

CramCycle · 01-03-2021 02:29PM

First Up wrote: »

Do you expect people to cycle along Strand Rd to their appointments in St Vincent's or the Blackrock Clinic?

This is silly hyperbole, the majority of people going to either of those hospitals would not use the strand road, and you know this, you cannot be oblivious ot how little of those two hospitals traffic comes along that road in reality. Even now, most people would have went up to the Rock Road if coming from anywhere near that direction.

Strand Rd could be safely open to bikes, cars, trucks and buses in both directions by building a cycle and pedestrian path over the few hundred meters not already available in the park.

Heavy motorised traffci should be reduced on this road, the cycle path is a secondary benefit IMO. Like it or not, the Strand road should be reduced in its capacity to force traffic to adapt and use more appropriate routes

First Up wrote: »

It may well encourage some commuters to switch to their bikes and that would be a good thing, although I'm not aware of any studies on the subject.

There are loads, well worth a google. Traffic is quite adaptable, much more so than people think, and it why planners are finally realising that adding lanes isn't always the right thing to reduce traffic build up. Well worth a google, it's been posted in this forum a fair few times.

But it doesn't need to be at the cost of pushing cars and trucks into Sandymount village or Irishtown.[/QUOTE]

First Up wrote: »

Yes, a restriction that will divert traffic into places ill-equipped to deal with it.

Thats not how it works

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

If I was driving that route as I have many times, I'd go to Macken St and over Sam Beckett bridge.

As would most normal people, on this oddly specific example.

Trudee · 01-03-2021 02:33PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Source please? And what's that got to do with Strand Road, given that the trucks use the tunnel?

Most car journeys on Strand Road are obviously leisure.

DCC COVID Mobility Rapid Deployment document:
● This scheme will substantially reduce traffic volumes on the Strand Road for the duration of the trial. Only 10% of traffic on Strand Road is locally generated and so a substantial amount of through traffic will be removed as well as HGV and LGV traffic.

It would appear therefore that DCC acknowledge Strand Road as a HGV route. Doubtful that the remaining 90% traffic is all leisure

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 02:36PM

Trudee wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Source please? And what's that got to do with Strand Road, given that the trucks use the tunnel?

Most car journeys on Strand Road are obviously leisure.

DCC COVID Mobility Rapid Deployment document:
● This scheme will substantially reduce traffic volumes on the Strand Road for the duration of the trial. Only 10% of traffic on Strand Road is locally generated and so a substantial amount of through traffic will be removed as well as HGV and LGV traffic.

It would appear therefore that DCC acknowledge Strand Road as a HGV route. Doubtful that the remaining 90% traffic is all leisure

But not a "substantial amount" based on the wording above.

Most car traffic on Strand Road is leisure traffic.

Trudee · 01-03-2021 02:40PM

To use your own phraseology in relation to statement ‘most car traffic on Strand Road is leisure traffic’ - Source please?

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 02:42PM

Trudee wrote: »

To use your own phraseology in relation to statement ‘most car traffic on Strand Road is leisure traffic’ - Source please?

Same source as FU had for his claim that most cyclists there are leisure traffic.

tomasrojo · 01-03-2021 03:38PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Same source as FU had for his claim that most cyclists there are leisure traffic.

That was a slow-burning punchline!

01-03-2021 04:05PM

https://twitter.com/robertburns73/status/1366388422399713285?s=20

This is honestly depressing to me. Look how nice this is. My small town is obsessed with the car and will probably not change until after I'm long buried

This should be the model for all small villages and towns around the country.

Birds singing, no pollution, safe spaces to relax, access is maintained, whats not to love

tomasrojo · 01-03-2021 04:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This should be the model for all small villages and towns around the country.

Has there been official feedback or a survey since the works were completed?

First Up · 01-03-2021 05:09PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Same source as FU had for his claim that most cyclists there are leisure traffic.

My source was Dublin City Council data that shows about 6,000 cyclists in the city centre at commuting times out of about 65,000 cyclists. No figures shown for Strand Rd but I somehow doubt it passed 34,000 a day.

What's your source for leisure motorists on Strand Rd?

silverharp · 01-03-2021 05:13PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/robertburns73/status/1366388422399713285?s=20

This is honestly depressing to me. Look how nice this is. My small town is obsessed with the car and will probably not change until after I'm long buried

This should be the model for all small villages and towns around the country.

Birds singing, no pollution, safe spaces to relax, access is maintained, whats not to love

Comparing Blackrock to Sandymount would suggest blocking off the Green and the village to traffic and seeing the Strand road as the "bypass". I'd be on for that. It would open up space for proper outside dining etc.

tomasrojo · 01-03-2021 05:15PM

First Up wrote: »

My source was Dublin City Council data that shows about 6,000 cyclists in the city centre at commuting times out of about 65,000 cyclists. No figures shown for Strand Rd but I somehow doubt it passed 34,000 a day.

Can you elucidate a little further. What do you mean 65000 cyclists? The total number of cyclists in Dublin? Why does the number in the city centre indicate the non-leisure cyclists?

There are other non-leisure reason for cycling than commuting. Shopping, obviously; collecting children from primary school is another obvious one.

01-03-2021 05:25PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Has there been official feedback or a survey since the works were completed?

Haven't a clue, I'm on the other side of the country

tomasrojo · 01-03-2021 05:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Haven't a clue, I'm on the other side of the country

Just asking out of interest. It looks very good.

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 05:33PM

First Up wrote: »

My source was Dublin City Council data that shows about 6,000 cyclists in the city centre at commuting times out of about 65,000 cyclists. No figures shown for Strand Rd but I somehow doubt it passed 34,000 a day.

What's your source for leisure motorists on Strand Rd?

I made it up, just like you did about cycling, given that the figures you quoted say nothing about leisure cyclists and nothing about Strand Road.

First Up · 01-03-2021 05:43PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I made it up, just like you did about cycling, given that the figures you quoted say nothing about leisure cyclists and nothing about Strand Road.

True, I am extrapolating but from solid data. For example IrishCycle.com shows that the percentage of daily commuters who "mainly" cycle is 7.6% in Dublin City, 5.8% in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and 7.5% in Blackrock. Presumably those commuters also cycle for leisure so I think its reasonable to conclude that leisure is the dominant bike usage.

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 05:44PM

First Up wrote: »

True, I am extrapolating but from solid data. For example IrishCycle.com shows that the percentage of daily commuters who "mainly" cycle is 7.6% in Dublin City, 5.8% in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and 7.5% in Blackrock. Presumably those commuters also cycle for leisure so I think its reasonable to conclude that leisure is the dominant bike usage.

You made it up. It is nonsense.

Seaswimmer · 01-03-2021 05:45PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Just asking out of interest. It looks very good.

Blackrock is probably slightly different to the Strand Road scheme in that over 76% of submissions were positive so DLR council seemed to be pushing an open door. The entire infrastructure changes from Blackrock village to Sandycove would appear to be very successful and apart from a few serial complainers on various Facebook groups seem to have been accepted by most people.
Apart from Blackrock there has been extensive village improvement schemes in Monkstown, Dalkey and Glasthule and the seafront in Dun Laoghaire is thriving.
I feel the Sandymount residents are missing a trick in that anyone out for a cycle from say Booterstown to Dalkey will naturally drop in to Blackrock/Monkstown/Dun Laoire/Glasthule for a break and a coffee and/or bit of food.
If the Sandymount cycle lane was in place I would imagine Sandymount village would get a big increase in footfall especially at weekends and during holidays. Cycle along the seafront, have a walk on the beach and up to the village for refreshments.

Seth Brundle · 01-03-2021 05:45PM

First Up wrote: »

True, I am extrapolating but from solid data. For example IrishCycle.com shows that the percentage of daily commuters who "mainly" cycle is 7.6% in Dublin City, 5.8% in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and 7.5% in Blackrock. Presumably those commuters also cycle for leisure so I think its reasonable to conclude that leisure is the dominant bike usage.

You're really doing your best to scrape through the bottom of that barrell there :rolleyes:

CramCycle · 01-03-2021 05:46PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Can you elucidate a little further. What do you mean 65000 cyclists? The total number of cyclists in Dublin? Why does the number in the city centre indicate the non-leisure cyclists?

I would have thought that the majority of cyclists in the city centre on any given weekday are unlikely to be leisure cyclists in any meaningful fashion, they will, in the majority be commuters (work, university, school), shoppers and people actually working.

First Up · 01-03-2021 05:47PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You made it up. It is nonsense.

Well you could look it up yourself but I know you don't like facts getting in the way.

Seth Brundle · 01-03-2021 05:49PM

First Up wrote: »

Well you could look it up yourself but I know you don't like facts getting in the way.

Says the person who has some figures but decides to twist them to suit your argument :rolleyes:

First Up · 01-03-2021 05:51PM

Seth Brundle wrote: »

You're really doing your best to scrape through the bottom of that barrell there :rolleyes:

You mean dragging up facts produced by a website that promotes itself as independent journalism covering cycling in Ireland?

Yes, shame on me.

CramCycle · 01-03-2021 05:52PM

First Up wrote: »

True, I am extrapolating but from solid data. For example IrishCycle.com shows that the percentage of daily commuters who "mainly" cycle is 7.6% in Dublin City, 5.8% in Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown and 7.5% in Blackrock. Presumably those commuters also cycle for leisure so I think its reasonable to conclude that leisure is the dominant bike usage.

If you are trying to extrapolate from a piece of data about the % of commuters that are cyclists how many cyclists in Dublin actually commute by bike, I have to wonder how your thought process is working here. Or are you actually living in Dublin. Monday to Friday within the county of Dublin, not just the city, anyone who thinks the majority of cyclists on the road are leisure cyclists has to have some serious blinkers on. I imagine you actually have your reasoning backwards, most commuting or practical cyclists don't commute for leisure the majority of the time. While admittedly this forum will be biased the other way with a few exceptions, in the real world, most cyclists are cyclists for practical reasons.

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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