Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:25AM

Peregrine wrote:

So make yourself aware. You're arguing about things that you have fundamentally misunderstood.

Feel free to put me straight.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:29AM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

Yes indeed, some people need cars. There is no proposal to ban cars. Just a small restriction on one short stretch of road.

Yes, a restriction that will divert traffic into places ill-equipped to deal with it.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:33AM

Fighting Tao wrote:

Did the m50 and Port Tunnel disappear overnight or something?

Why should people be using them to get from Blackrock to the IFSC ?

Thelonious Monk · 01-03-2021 11:34AM

First Up wrote: »

Why should people be using them to get from Blackrock to the IFSC ?

If I was driving that route as I have many times, I'd go to Macken St and over Sam Beckett bridge.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:36AM

Thelonious Monk wrote:

If I was driving that route as I have many times, I'd go to Macken St and over Sam Beckett bridge.

Me too. Where do the M50 and Port Tunnel come into it?

Seth Brundle · 01-03-2021 11:40AM

@ First Up - are you seriously saying that all of the car based commuters travelling into the IFSC via Blackrock have no other option but to use their car?

BabysCoffee · 01-03-2021 11:40AM

First Up wrote: »

Do you expect people to cycle along Strand Rd to their appointments in St Vincent's or the Blackrock Clinic?

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I think it would be a personal choice by a person as to whether they want to cycle to their hospital appointments. Some may choose to if going to the hospital for a routine check up, etc.

I will say that I was kind of shocked when my friend in Amsterdam told me that she was specifically told not to cycle in to the hospital for a scheduled d&c procedure after having a miscarriage. When I asked her was she going to cycle, she said she had been considering it but was not going to after doctor's advice.

:eek:

ted1 · 01-03-2021 11:41AM

First Up wrote: »

Why should people be using them to get from Blackrock to the IFSC ?

Why should people be driving snd not taking the DART which goes between both ?
Why encourage lazy unsustainable travel ?

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 11:47AM

First Up wrote: »

Good for you, although I wouldn't expect many 60+ year olds to use one.

I knew a woman who used to cycle 8km into Dundalk, and back daily in her early 90’s. 16km round trip on a high nelly.

Also, the Gardaí Twitter account had a picture of an 81 year old getting a new bike recently. I think his old one was stolen.

So your age excuse is just more crap.

First Up · 01-03-2021 11:54AM

[quote=tetaking should people be98oo87ich 888iving snd not taking the DART Ã²which goes between both ? Why encourage lazy unsustainable travel ?[/quote]

Wouldn't dream of it. Someone asked me I'd heard of the M50 and Port Tunnel as alternatives to Strand Rd and I'm asking them to elaborate.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 12:04PM

First Up wrote: »

Wouldn't dream of it. Someone asked me I'd heard of the M50 and Port Tunnel as alternatives to Strand Rd and I'm asking them to elaborate.

I must have missed the question asking me to elaborate.

You did not mention the IFSC until after I replied. So more moving of goalposts. However for access to the port, which you did mention earlier then the m50 and port tunnel have been the preferable routes for years rather than a residential area, and believe it or not they will still be accessible once changes are made to strand road.

Trudee · 01-03-2021 12:18PM

tomasrojo wrote: »

Where did DCC say it was for leisure cyclists though? Or anyone?

Quote directly from DCC ‘Strand Road Trial - Information’ -
“This new cycle lane will increase safety for growing numbers of people cycling to school, work and for leisure”

tomasrojo · 01-03-2021 12:20PM

Trudee wrote: »

Quote directly from DCC ‘Strand Road Trial - Information’ -
“This new cycle lane will increase safety for growing numbers of people cycling to school, work and for leisure”

Yeah, sorry, my question was really "who said it was *mainly* for leisure cyclists". So DCC didn't say it was mainly for leisure cyclists.

The context was:

First Up wrote: »

Most cycling along Strand Rd is (and will be) a leisure activity. That's what the cycle path is intended to encourage and facilitate.

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 01:05PM

First Up wrote: »

Why should people be using them to get from Blackrock to the IFSC ?

If only there was some other kind of convenient transport service that allowed people to do that journey?

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 01:08PM

First Up wrote: »

Yes, a restriction that will divert traffic into places ill-equipped to deal with it.

Most of that traffic is people on leisure journeys - heading out for a walk or for food or to see family. Why should we build transport infrastructure around such leisure journeys?

First Up · 01-03-2021 01:14PM

Weepsie wrote:

The poster implied that it was intended only for Leisure, but that is the 3rd aim of the lane.

I said it will attract more leisure cyclists than commuters but let's wait and see.

A cycle path on Strand Rd is a good idea. Using it as an excuse to force motor traffic into Sandymount village is a bad one

First Up · 01-03-2021 01:26PM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

Most of that traffic is people on leisure journeys - heading out for a walk or for food or to see family. Why should we build transport infrastructure around such leisure journeys?

Traffic uses Strand Rd tooo

buffalo · 01-03-2021 01:26PM

First Up wrote: »

I said it will attract more leisure cyclists than commuters but let's wait and see.

A cycle path on Strand Rd is a good idea. Using it as an excuse to force motor traffic into Sandymount village is a bad one

Is this what you think Keegan's Machiavellian agenda is? He has a vendetta against Sandymount village and wants to over-run it with completely necessary car traffic and banned 5-axle trucks?

First Up · 01-03-2021 01:28PM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

Most of that traffic is people on leisure journeys - heading out for a walk or for food or to see family. Why should we build transport infrastructure around such leisure journeys?

Strand Rd is used to get to the Toll Bridge, Port Tunnel, M50 and Dublin Port. None are leisure destinations.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 01:33PM

First Up wrote: »

Strand Rd is used to get to the Toll Bridge, Port Tunnel, M50 and Dublin Port. None are leisure destinations.

What do people travel to the toll bridge for? The only activity there is to admire the river.

All of those roads and the port are interlinked. Strand road is not a requirement to access them.

First Up · 01-03-2021 01:39PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

What do people travel to the toll bridge for? The only activity there is to admire the river.

To get to the Port Tunnel, M50 and Dublin Port.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 01:41PM

First Up wrote: »

To get to the Port Tunnel, M50 and Dublin Port.

So there is only one road that leads to the port tunnel, m50 and the port, and it happens to be Strand Road?

First Up · 01-03-2021 01:47PM

Fighting Tao wrote:

So there is only one road that leads to the port tunnel, m50 and the port, and it happens to be Strand Road?

No, but it is more convenient and better suited than many others - such as Sandymount Green for instance.

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AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 01:48PM

First Up wrote: »

Strand Rd is used to get to the Toll Bridge, Port Tunnel, M50 and Dublin Port. None are leisure destinations.

None are destinations at all, leisure or otherwise. Most of the drivers on those routes are on leisure journeys, obviously.

First Up · 01-03-2021 01:53PM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

None are destinations at all, leisure or otherwise. Most of the drivers on those routes are on leisure journeys, obviously.

So you consider Dublin Port a leisure destination.

OK, I think we have fully explored your argument.

AndrewJRenko · 01-03-2021 01:58PM

First Up wrote: »

So you consider Dublin Port a leisure destination.

OK, I think we have fully explored your argument.

As stated above, it's not any kind of destination -leisure or otherwise. Though lots of people use the port to go on holidays. Have you heard of holidays as a leisure activity?

Most of these drivers are on leisure trips.

Fighting Tao · 01-03-2021 02:00PM

First Up wrote: »

No, but it is more convenient and better suited than many others - such as Sandymount Green for instance.

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The replies are getting even more silly. If you live in Sandymount can’t you use the samual Beckett bridge instead. Save €1.40, and all it’s only a few minutes extra driving? Can’t you also take one of the many other roads available that crosses the Liffey? Can’t you drive to Sean Moore road via other roads than Strand road?

Seth Brundle · 01-03-2021 02:01PM

First Up wrote: »

No, but it is more convenient and better suited than many others - such as Sandymount Green for instance.

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So people should be allowed to drive along Strand rd simply because it suits them?
What about other road users - should we prioritise the convenience for drivers over safety of others?

DoraDelite · 01-03-2021 02:01PM

First Up wrote: »

No, but it is more convenient and better suited than many others - such as Sandymount Green for instance.

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Eh? why on earth would someone from Blackrock or further south be trying to use the Strand Road to access the M50? it's certainly not in anyway to most suited route. The Sandyford Junction M50 is one of the closest points to most of South Dublin, certainly not the via Strand road or Sandymount.

The fact you also used Blackrock to the IFSC as an example journey that people can only make by car via the Strand Road and has no alternatives says a lot about your motives. Reading between the lines, I would guess that's a car journey you make on a regular basis and you're annoyed that you will now have to rethink your unsustainable transport choices.

First Up · 01-03-2021 02:04PM

AndrewJRenko wrote:

Most of these drivers are on leisure trips.

Well apart from the 50% of the country's imports and exports, the oil terminals, power station and few other storage and distribution areas.

Ever been there?

Cycle infrastructure planned for south Dublin

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