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  • Posts: 289 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He doesn't want to rock the boat he said. I would imagine he is a bit embarrassed to push the issue. I will give it a few days and aak him again to ring reception they might be more clued in. Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Crunchie77


    Among the priority groups being vaccinated at the moment, how are people being contacted if their GP is not taking part in the vaccination program?

    I think there’s a HSE number you are supposed to ring if you don’t have a GP and you’re supposed to be in one of the current cohorts


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭Call me Al


    I phoned my father myself. The gp said his diabetes is undercontrol so he will not be in group 4 due to that ( is this correct?). But his bmi is 43. He is working on it it is down from much higher since last year and the gp said that that wont let him get it faster!

    A BMI over 40 moves him up to the new category 4.

    The GP may not be aware of his BMI?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    I still think just sticking to age groups like the UK would be the most efficient way of going about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,447 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    seamus wrote: »

    That said, this rollout is revealing cracks in the GP system that have been hidden for years. My over-70s father-in-law was told by his GP that because he doesn't have a medical card he won't be included in this rollout and will have to wait until it's open to the wider public.

    So he's changing GP to one who will get it for him. My suspicion is that the other GP hasn't joined the HSE programme, so *he* can't distribute any vaccines, but doesn't want to lose any patients, so he's just telling his patients they can't get it yet.


    Hold on a minute now.

    I don't think the vaccination is linked to whether you have a:

    (1) full GMS card
    (2) GP visit card (all over 70s)
    (3) you pay yourself

    The GPs are being paid well for this, 60 euro per person, so what is the story here?


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  • Posts: 289 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    He told him his bmi, I worked it out for him and told him to tell the GP. He did and the GP said it will be May.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    EU to propose vaccine passports for summer travel

    The European Commission will present a proposal in March on creating an EU-wide digital Covid-19 vaccination passport that may allow Europeans to travel more freely over the peak summer holiday period.

    Commission president Ursula von der Leyen announced the coming legislative proposal in a speech to German conservative  politicians today, providing a few more details in subsequent tweets.

    The "digital green pass" would provide proof that a person has been vaccinated, results of tests for those not yet vaccinated and information on recovery for people who have contracted Covid-19.

    The aim is to gradually enable them to move safely in the European Union or abroad - for work or tourism," she said in a tweet.

    EU leaders agreed last week to work on vaccine certificates, for which southern countries such as Spain and Greece are pushing to unlock tourism this summer.

    However, a number of countries say it will first need to be established that vaccinated people cannot transmit the virus to others.

    Some countries, such as France and Belgium, also expressed concern that easing travel only for inoculated people would be unfair.

    The Commission said it would seek to avoid discrimination against citizens who have not received a vaccine.

    EU countries agreed in January on the basic data requirements of a vaccination certificate. A Commission spokesman said the EU executive would seek to coordinate on security standards and help connect the national health systems.“”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,081 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Does anyone know why Israel case nos are still quite high when high% of population have been vaccinated?

    Is it lag effect? Or young people so assume hospitals/ICU well down?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,093 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    EU to propose vaccine passports for summer travel

    The European Commission will present a proposal in March on creating an EU-wide digital Covid-19 vaccination passport that may allow Europeans to travel more freely over the peak summer holiday period.

    Commission president Ursula von der Leyen announced the coming legislative proposal in a speech to German conservative  politicians today, providing a few more details in subsequent tweets.

    The "digital green pass" would provide proof that a person has been vaccinated, results of tests for those not yet vaccinated and information on recovery for people who have contracted Covid-19.

    The aim is to gradually enable them to move safely in the European Union or abroad - for work or tourism," she said in a tweet.

    EU leaders agreed last week to work on vaccine certificates, for which southern countries such as Spain and Greece are pushing to unlock tourism this summer.

    However, a number of countries say it will first need to be established that vaccinated people cannot transmit the virus to others.

    Some countries, such as France and Belgium, also expressed concern that easing travel only for inoculated people would be unfair.

    The Commission said it would seek to avoid discrimination against citizens who have not received a vaccine.

    EU countries agreed in January on the basic data requirements of a vaccination certificate. A Commission spokesman said the EU executive would seek to coordinate on security standards and help connect the national health systems.“”


    This is all so strange considering the tone from our government in their message last week

    UK and EU talking about summer holidays . We are talking about handshakes and hugs being allowed going forward


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,628 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    This is all so strange considering the tone from our government in their message last week

    UK and EU talking about summer holidays . We are talking about handshakes and hugs being allowed going forward

    …and it’s RTE that’s reporting it :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Geuze wrote: »
    Hold on a minute now.

    I don't think the vaccination is linked to whether you have a:

    (1) full GMS card
    (2) GP visit card (all over 70s)
    (3) you pay yourself

    The GPs are being paid well for this, 60 euro per person, so what is the story here?
    No, the vaccination really has nothing to do with the medical card. But the HSE may have contacted all GPs who have medical card patients to get them up and running on it.

    Afaik, GPs don't have to take part in the programme, they can't be forced to do so. The over-70s are entitled to get the vaccine, but their GP doesn't have to give it to them. So anyone who falls into this situation has to arrange vaccination outside of their GP.

    In the case of my FIL, the GP claims to have no medical card patients. So reading between the lines, I think he can't be bothered getting trained up/registered to give out the vaccine and is instead telling his patients they'll get it when the public mass vaccination centres are up and running.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    According to many our vaccination roll out is only limited by supply. Interesting looking at the amount of vaccinations over a full week that our supply problems seem to correspond with the weekends
    ,amazing coincidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    According to many our vaccination roll out is only limited by supply. Interesting looking at the amount of vaccinations over a full week that our supply problems seem to correspond with the weekends
    ,amazing coincidence.
    How is that an 'amazing coincidence'?
    Supply arrives early in week, used by end of week. It's fairly simple stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Does anyone know why Israel case nos are still quite high when high% of population have been vaccinated?

    Is it lag effect? Or young people so assume hospitals/ICU well down?


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116354675&postcount=1214


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    How is that an 'amazing coincidence'?
    Supply arrives early in week, used by end of week. It's fairly simple stuff.
    To be fair, if you didn't know that you would think that there are just less vaccinations done on the weekend because there are less people working.

    When we get up to higher volumes, more frequent deliveries can be done to maintain a smoother level of supply and a more constant level of vaccinations. But for now a weekly cycle is fine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28 Crunchie77


    I still think just sticking to age groups like the UK would be the most efficient way of going about it.

    So a healthy 65 year old should be vaccinated before a highly vulnerable 35 year old transplant recipient with a much higher risk of death?

    UK were actually the first to include clinically extremely vulnerable (CEV) patients with the over 70s (not after like us) and they included all of our category 7 cohorts in that group while we have split it.

    Age is generally a good indication of severity of risk but medical vulnerability is 100% the correct way to go about it as those medically vulnervable are more likely to get serverely ill and die from Covid. In fact, you could argue that it is a lot easier for some over 65/70s to cocoon and keep themselves safe. A young mother with a severe lung condition may have to be much more exposed with kids in school/Creche, partners or themselves working.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    How is that an 'amazing coincidence'?
    Supply arrives early in week, used by end of week. It's fairly simple stuff.


    What day does it arrive, have you got the schedule?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    According to many our vaccination roll out is only limited by supply. Interesting looking at the amount of vaccinations over a full week that our supply problems seem to correspond with the weekends
    ,amazing coincidence.

    So you'd prefer to if they slowed down a little during the week to maximise the overtime pay at the weekends instead of just getting the bulk done during the normal working week. :rolleyes: At least it shows that they already have some capacity to increase vaccinations with supply increases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,789 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    What day does it arrive, have you got the schedule?
    I don't have the schedule - they've said thats how it works


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭cameramonkey


    So you'd prefer to if they slowed down a little juring the week to maximise the overtime pay at the weekends instead of just getting the bulk done during the normal working week. :rolleyes:


    I am just saying it looks like they are working less at the weekend. This is a pandemic and I dont think cost is really an issue where overtime is concerned. Maybe they have run out of vaccines by the weekend because as one poster said that supplies arrive on Monday. The government said that there would be 100000 vaccinated last week so they must have had a detailed inventory of what was coming into the country to make such a prediction. I suppose when we see the numbers for the weekend just gone we can make a more informed comment on what is happening and if the issue is supply or the issue is work practices.Hopefully they will have reached their 100000 prediction .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    I am just saying it looks like they are working less at the weekend. This is a pandemic and I dont think cost is really an issue where overtime is concerned. Maybe they have run out of vaccines by the weekend because as one poster said that supplies arrive on Monday. The government said that there would be 100000 vaccinated last week so they must have had a detailed inventory of what was coming into the country to make such a prediction. I suppose when we see the numbers for the weekend just gone we can make a more informed comment on what is happening and if the issue is supply or the issue is work practices.Hopefully they will have reached their 100000 prediction .

    Hopefully they have. If they were already flat out working at the weekend, then it wouldn't seem to suggest that they would have much capacity to react when supplies increase. Cost should always be a factor, waste is always waste.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,501 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Does anyone know why Israel case nos are still quite high when high% of population have been vaccinated?

    Is it lag effect? Or young people so assume hospitals/ICU well down?

    Half of the population are still unvaccinated, that's a lot of people that can still get infected. Key thing to look out for is hospitalisations.

    Also the effect of the vaccine doesn't truly kick in until 2/3 weeks after administration, so anyone vaccinated in the last 10 days or so are still very susceptible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/01/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

    US begining to roll out J&J (Jansen) vaccine, yet we have to wait until April. I thought that the EU leaders were under pressure because of our slow roll out. Not enough to do anything it seems. Depressing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    https://www.reuters.com/article/reutersComService_2_MOLT/idUSKCN2AT1J0

    Fair play to AZ looks like they're going to fulfill their commitments. The government's vaccine forecast took in to account shortfalls from AZ so were in for a bumper Q2 if they follow through on this and the EU gets 180m in Q2 rather than 90m.

    Maybe the spotlight should be turned on Moderna now? Pitiful supplies from them thus far.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,470 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/01/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

    US begining to roll out J&J (Jansen) vaccine, yet we have to wait until April. I thought that the EU leaders were under pressure because of our slow roll out. Not enough to do anything it seems. Depressing.

    J&J had already indicated deliveries in Europe won't start until April anyway.

    It could be approved tomorrow for example and it wouldn't speed anything up.

    As it stands approval is expected next week


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,678 ✭✭✭✭josip


    https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/01/health/us-coronavirus-monday/index.html

    US begining to roll out J&J (Jansen) vaccine, yet we have to wait until April. I thought that the EU leaders were under pressure because of our slow roll out. Not enough to do anything it seems. Depressing.


    What do you think should have been done in recent weeks regarding Jansen timsey?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,447 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    seamus wrote: »
    In the case of my FIL, the GP claims to have no medical card patients. So reading between the lines, I think he can't be bothered getting trained up/registered to give out the vaccine and is instead telling his patients they'll get it when the public mass vaccination centres are up and running.


    I always presumed that very, very few GPs would not have a GMS contract.

    Like maybe 1 in a thousand.

    Perhaps in Foxrock, etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    josip wrote: »
    What do you think should have been done in recent weeks regarding Jansen timsey?

    I'm not being paid to run things. Vaccine developed in EU being delivered to SA and the US a month before the EU. Personally if you can't use the levers of power to benfit your own people what is the point.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,683 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    Geuze wrote: »
    I always presumed that very, very few GPs would not have a GMS contract.

    Like maybe 1 in a thousand.

    Perhaps in Foxrock, etc.

    I know of two locally. They're Polish doctors working mostly with Polish patients. Used to attend one but they don't do the under 6 card for kids so we moved practices.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Geuze wrote: »
    I always presumed that very, very few GPs would not have a GMS contract.

    Like maybe 1 in a thousand.

    Perhaps in Foxrock, etc.

    Apparently if the GP is over 70 himself he cannot have patients with Over 70 GP visit cards


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