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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2222
    pottokblue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭pottokblue


    Yes coughing and sneezing are natural but if more people cough/sneeze into their arms or turn their heads rather than cough/sneeze on other transport users it would make public transport much easier. That said I love the satisfaction of a good sneeze I just try not to sneeze onto anybody.


  • #2223
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    bb1234567 wrote: »
    Norway and Finland are now tightening lockdowns. They're literally the only two European regions to not see high excess deaths this winter from COVID. Will be interesting to see if they manage to hold it off for the entire duration of the pandemic, would be very impressive.

    Been a long time in this thread. Seems like ronavirus is rearing its head again?


  • #2224
    Renjit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    pottokblue wrote: »
    That said I love the satisfaction of a good sneeze I just try not to sneeze onto anybody.

    Heart stops beating for the duration you sneeze :pac:


  • #2225
    manofwisdom
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,119 ✭✭✭manofwisdom


    County cases per day average over the last two weeks. in brackets what it was two weeks ago.

    Dublin 278 (366)
    Galway 51 (59)
    Kildare 40 (46)
    Limerick 39 (40)
    Meath 32 (40)
    Cork 26 (74)
    Louth 24 (31)
    Offaly 22 (19)
    Donegal 21 (24)
    Mayo 21 (27)
    Tipperary 21 (19)
    Waterford 18 (31)
    Laois 16 (19)
    Westmeath 16 (15)
    Clare 13 (12)
    Wexford 11 (40)
    Longford 11 (6)
    Monaghan 11 (23)
    Wicklow 10 (19)
    Cavan 10 (15)
    Carlow 8 (15)
    Kilkenny 6 (9)
    Kerry 5 (12)
    Roscommon 5 (5)
    Sligo 4 (9)
    Leitrim 4 (4)


  • #2226
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭political analyst


    If this lockdown was going to work then the number of Covid cases in hospitals would've fallen far enough to let businesses re-open four weeks ago. Those people who became seriously ill after being infected during the Christmas and New Year holidays will have either died or become fit to be discharged from hospital, wouldn't they? Surely, nobody who was infected back then and who is still alive is still in ICU.


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  • #2227
    Charles Babbage
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    political analyst wrote: »
    If this lockdown was going to work then the number of Covid cases in hospitals would've fallen far enough to let businesses re-open four weeks ago. Those people who became seriously ill after being infected during the Christmas and New Year holidays will have either died or become fit to be discharged from hospital, wouldn't they? Surely, nobody who was infected back then and who is still alive is still in ICU.


    But what about the people they infected? Infection did not stop on New Year's day!


  • #2228
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    User1998 wrote: »
    Are you serious? Coughing and sneezing are natural. What do you expect people to do? Hold their breath? Thankfully coughing and sneezing has already become more acceptable than it was around this time last year. Back then you’d clear your throat and the whole room would take five steps back

    Coughing is natural?

    There's a radio add in the UK that tells people to get their coughs checked if it lasts for more than 3 weeks. There's a problem there if you think coughing is normal.


  • #2229
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,539 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    User1998 wrote: »
    Are you serious? Coughing and sneezing are natural. What do you expect people to do? Hold their breath? Thankfully coughing and sneezing has already become more acceptable than it was around this time last year. Back then you’d clear your throat and the whole room would take five steps back

    I think the OP means just coughing or sneezing without using a tissue or your elbow etc...
    Coughing into you hands on the Luas and not using sanitizer, then holding all the rails etc...
    It's called hygiene. We've mainly all let slip what we should be doing daily, a pandemic has corrected us. Whether we retain that afterwards is another thing.

    I feel silly looking back now, when I was in hospital pre-pandemic, the table at the end of the bed had a bottle of hand sanitizer, every time a nurse came in to check my stats, they started and ended with sanitizing their hands. I though it was over the top. How ****ing wrong I was.


  • #2230
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭political analyst


    Charles Babbage wrote: »
    But what about the people they infected? Infection did not stop on New Year's day!

    My point can also be applied to anyone who got the virus from them in the first fortnight of January - and most people wear masks when they're in those shops that are still allowed to open. In Britain, there has been a disproportionate number of Covid deaths of people of Asian ethnicity because of 2 or 3 generations of each family living in the same house - something that is less likely to happen in Ireland because Ireland doesn't have an equivalent of Bradford.


  • #2231
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    When I was in the casino last year I was out having a cigarette in the smoking area, I let a cough but into my elbow, some old dear next to me jumped about five feet away from me, I assured her I used the correct technique. Its funny now when I think back on it.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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  • #2232
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    User1998 wrote: »
    Are you serious? Coughing and sneezing are natural. What do you expect people to do? Hold their breath? Thankfully coughing and sneezing has already become more acceptable than it was around this time last year. Back then you’d clear your throat and the whole room would take five steps back

    They obviously didn't mean the act of coughing and sneezing itself.. good grief...


  • #2233
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 232 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    User1998 wrote: »
    Are you serious? Coughing and sneezing are natural. What do you expect people to do? Hold their breath? Thankfully coughing and sneezing has already become more acceptable than it was around this time last year. Back then you’d clear your throat and the whole room would take five steps back

    I expect they mean that the folk memory of the pandemic will mean that the old October scene of the man in the suit on the Dart coughing and spluttering his way through his autumn infection will become socially unacceptable.

    He will either wear a facemask, or he will work from home when he is coughing and sneezing.

    Today in 2019, if I woke up with a dose, I'd go into the office lest I be thought to be lazy, or malingering. Today in 2023, if I wake up with a dose, I'll message my boss saying "I'm going to work from home today".

    From our position, in 2021, it's difficult to project. But in 2019, "Oisín is great, he came into the office with an absolute dose and got the contract through" is going to become in 2023 "Oisín is great, he had an absolute dose and had to work from home and got the contract through"

    I think this is going to be a positive development from the pandemic, and I wonder if there is a possibility that we might eliminate influenza as an endemic virus as a result.

    There's going to have to be a huge buy-in from employers, but I reckon it's going to happen.

    Working from home works.

    What now needs to happen is that that buy-in from employers must be met with the same buy-in from the State for those who can't work from home. You can't sell chips from home. You can't pull pints from home. You can't value a property from home.

    We need to recalibrate sick pay so that sick pay is 100% of pay, from Day 1.

    This is our chance, delivered into our laps by accident, to deliver and produce a society of workers with health protections.


  • #2234
    nocoverart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,354 ✭✭✭nocoverart


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    I expect they mean that the folk memory of the pandemic will mean that the old October scene of the man in the suit on the Dart coughing and spluttering his way through his autumn infection will become socially unacceptable.

    He will either wear a facemask, or he will work from home when he is coughing and sneezing.

    Today in 2019, if I woke up with a dose, I'd go into the office lest I be thought to be lazy, or malingering. Today in 2023, if I wake up with a dose, I'll message my boss saying "I'm going to work from home today".

    From our position, in 2021, it's difficult to project. But in 2019, "Oisín is great, he came into the office with an absolute dose and got the contract through" is going to become in 2023 "Oisín is great, he had an absolute dose and had to work from home and got the contract through"

    I think this is going to be a positive development from the pandemic, and I wonder if there is a possibility that we might eliminate influenza as an endemic virus as a result.

    There's going to have to be a huge buy-in from employers, but I reckon it's going to happen.

    Working from home works.

    What now needs to happen is that that buy-in from employers must be met with the same buy-in from the State for those who can't work from home. You can't sell chips from home. You can't pull pints from home. You can't value a property from home.

    We need to recalibrate sick pay so that sick pay is 100% of pay, from Day 1.

    This is our chance, delivered into our laps by accident, to deliver

    And in 2023 Oisín is still one of the worst possible names you can name your child.


  • #2235
    KrustyUCC
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    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/gardai-break-up-gathering-of-around-200-people-at-limerick-cemetery-1088762.html

    Some story

    Amazing the indifferent shown by those who organised the event


  • #2236
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,702 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Coughing is natural?

    There's a radio add in the UK that tells people to get their coughs checked if it lasts for more than 3 weeks. There's a problem there if you think coughing is normal.

    Coughing occasionally is natural, it's a normal reflex. Never get something stuck in your throat or a drink that goes down the wrong way? Or cold air irritating your throat? Allergies?

    A cough that last more than 3 weeks isn't natural but I dont think the person you replied to mentioned anything about that? People will need to cough and most of the time it isn't anything sinister.


  • #2237
    maebee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,765 ✭✭✭maebee


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/gardai-break-up-gathering-of-around-200-people-at-limerick-cemetery-1088762.html

    Some story

    Amazing the indifferent shown by those who organised the event

    It's Rathkeale, where National rules don't apply :mad:


  • #2238
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    b0nk1e wrote: »
    Perhaps NPHET might advise the elected Government in private rather than through the medium of the Late Late Show.
    Yes, the elected government have done such a good job of communicating things..


    If it weren't for NPHET people would be relying on idiots like Donnelly and Martin for their info. That's not a comforting thought.


  • #2239
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    I agree, it is really disheartening. It's a possible scenario that we have to be prepared for tho.

    I am taking a more optimistic view about the situation now. Vaccines are being admistrated, boosters are on the way. There is a really good chance covid has a minimal to none impact on our lives in the very near future.

    In the meantime we have to be realistic about what needs to be done in the present(Keeping up some restrctions etc). And also pre plan for the future so we dont get caught on the hop again.

    I wasnt having a pop directly at you with my comment btw. There is an element on here that are constantly criticising and belittling the scientists. It's just so ignorant. These same posters spend their days scouring the web, searching for these articles to post here, and then moan about how negative they are. They are just stuck in their own cycle of hate and negativity. I guess its par for the course on forums and social media unfortunately.

    There is a few great posters on boards who keep bring me back though. Dam you Arghus and co!!

    All countries need a plan. I don’t think lockdown should be part of it.


  • #2240
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    amandstu wrote: »
    Gosh ,that has Israel at 92%. Can that be right?

    UK at 30%.... so high already?

    Edit : ok I see it is doses per 100 people not completed vaccinations . That makes more sense.(still not so bad)
    The U.K. is 36% for first doses. As is Northern Ireland.


  • #2241
    Nqp15hhu
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,254 ✭✭✭Nqp15hhu


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Daily numbers continue to be good from out of the UK. For all the catastrophic screw ups made, the exit from this and the financial supports look good. Infections will rise with the ambitious back to school plan and fast reopening but maybe, just maybe, infections will be from a low enough base, and vaccinations high enough, that they stay ahead of it

    Very low numbers now in London

    I don’t get the rush to reopen schools. Schools contribute a large amount of rising cases.

    Here in Northern Ireland we had low single figure cases all summer. Then bam as soon as the schools opened, they shot up. I have observed this pattern several times following lockdown.

    I do not understand why they cannot wait until most are vaccinated. It is only going to push us back.


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  • #2242
    whisky_galore
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ireland/gardai-break-up-gathering-of-around-200-people-at-limerick-cemetery-1088762.html

    Some story

    Amazing the indifferent shown by those who organised the event

    Día de los Muertos boss.


  • #2243
    agoodpunt
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    Ficheall wrote: »
    Yes, the elected government have done such a good job of communicating things..


    If it weren't for NPHET people would be relying on idiots like Donnelly and Martin for their info. That's not a comforting thought.


    If your GODS have there way level 5 will be the new normal or when ever the HSE capacity is threatened
    As long as it dosent effect you i am all right jack tax payer foots my bills


  • #2244
    oceanman
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Día de los Muertos boss.
    spanish ???


  • #2245
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,257 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    agoodpunt wrote:
    If your GODS have there way level 5 will be the new normal or when ever the HSE capacity is threatened As long as it dosent effect you i am all right jack tax payer foots my bills

    ....maybe we should do something about the hse after this, just to prevent such a thing, maybe!


  • #2246
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    ....maybe we should do something about the hse after this, just to prevent such a thing, maybe!

    Keep pumping money in a black hole ? Privatize it ?

    What should we do ?


  • #2247
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,257 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Sweet.Science wrote:
    What should we do ?

    Its impossible to know exactly what to do with it, as it's such a mess now, but it needs a radical overhaul, it clearly needs major investment, it's clearly unable to deal with significant shocks, it's clearly significantly under staffed, mental health services, what's that! As a society, we need to realise this, but the reality is I suspect, nothing will truly change. Yes this all needs more money, will that happen, probably not. Privatise, I'd be interested to see global evidence of this actually working!


  • #2248
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Keep pumping money in a black hole ? Privatize it ?

    What should we do ?

    Well I would privatise RTÉ but first take the Donnybrook land and give them funds to buy a site and to fit-out in Mullingar.


  • #2249
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,769 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Its impossible to know exactly what to do with it, as it's such a mess now, but it needs a radical overhaul, it clearly needs major investment, it's clearly unable to deal with significant shocks, it's clearly significantly under staffed, mental health services, what's that! As a society, we need to realise this, but the reality is I suspect, nothing will truly change. Yes this all needs more money, will that happen, probably not. Privatise, I'd be interested to see global evidence of this actually working!

    Don't we already spend more on it or capita than most?


  • #2250
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,257 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    lawred2 wrote:
    Don't we already spend more on it or capita than most?

    We do indeed, but scaling back spending during the austerity years has failed, it's now far worse, which is a typical outcome from such practices. our health system clearly needs major investments, but we 'll more than likely default to the usual fiscal conservatism when all this moves on, resulting in further deterioration


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  • #2251
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Beware the variant Covidinho

    https://twitter.com/exploding_heads/status/1366296325898313735?s=21


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