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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,273 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I will definitely carry hand sanitizer in my pocket . Will use it in airports , public toilets , when using supermarkets trollies . Will definitely be aware of things like arm rests on public chairs and elevators hand rails
    Sometimes now I think how on earth did I walk around and airport and touch all sorts and then eat my sandwich on a plane
    Will be far more aware after this

    I was like that when my kids were small but over the years it faded away.
    Except the handshake at the occasional mass I attended..could not get my head around that , yeuch :confused:


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Miike wrote: »
    Does anyone have "Premium" for this article? I would love to know more about its content. It's surely not 60 words?

    Here you go. Guy leading the Irish trial is incredibly sceptical

    Irish News

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    Tropical drug to be tested on critically ill patients here


    1Professor William Campbell

    Anthony KingFebruary 28 2021 02:30 AM

    Irish Covid patients being treated in intensive care are to start receiving the drug ivermectin as part of an international clinical trial.

    Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug that has been controversially promoted by some as a cure for the disease.

    In 2015, Donegal scientist Professor William Campbell shared the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for his role in the discovery of ivermectin.

    Launched in the 1980s as a drug against parasites, it was crucial in treating river blindness in many tropical countries.

    Ivermectin is used in various animal medicines including ones for roundworms, mites and lice in sheep and cows.

    Interest in ivermectin for Covid-19 was sparked by an Australian study in April last year that showed it killed SARS-CoV-2 in a test tube.

    Some patients in Irish hospitals have received it as a treatment. Since it is an approved drug, it is at the discretion of clinicians to decide if an individual patient will benefit from it.

    "Its use has crept into practice without a huge amount of evidence to support it," said Professor Alistair Nichol, intensive care doctor at St Vincent's University Hospital, Dublin. "There have been some clinical trials, but they haven't been of the highest quality."

    A new international trial plans to answer, once and for all, if ivermectin is beneficial to Covid-19 patients.

    Prof Nichol leads the Irish contribution to the trial, which is expected to start within weeks after it receives approval. Five Irish hospitals are likely to participate.

    Irish patients will receive either a four-day course of ivermectin, or no ivermectin. The outcome of these two groups of patients will then be compared. The same study will be run in France, Pakistan, Nepal, the Netherlands, the US and Canada.

    Having so many patients, from different medical centres, in different countries, should help answer definitively if the drug is beneficial.

    "There has been a huge amount of media interest [in ivermectin]," said Prof Nichol. "There have been campaigns to put it in [treatment] guidelines, even though there is little evidence to support it."

    The US Food and Drug Administration does not recommend its use to treat Covid.

    "There have been lots of media stories where people received ivermectin and said it was a miracle cure," Prof Nichol added. "But there is not a whole load of hard evidence to back up its efficacy, or safety."

    Some previous studies compared Covid-19 patients who received ivermectin with those who received the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine.

    Prof Nichol said hydroxychloroquine - promoted by former US president Donald Trump as a cure - is probably harmful to Covid-19 patients.

    "It possibly made ivermectin look good," he said.

    Prof Nichol is approaching ivermectin as a Covid treatment with a dose of scepticism, but he said that the results from a large trial are necessary.

    "We need to provide an answer for clinicians," he explained. "Because clinicians are using it, and will continue to use it. We will find out if that is a good idea, or if it is not."

    The ivermectin study is part of a larger international trial (Remap-Cap) that involves thousands of patients.

    This was set up to look at treatments for pneumonia, before Covid, in the expectation that the next pandemic would involve a respiratory virus that would trigger a flood of patients with pneumonia.

    This trial recently reported that Covid-19 patients benefit from receiving either of two antibody therapies - tocilizumab and sarilumab - which block a compound in our body that promotes inflammation.

    It also contributed to advice from the World Health Organisation in September last year that steroids could be used to treat severely ill Covid-19 patients.

    The US's drug regulator expressed concern last April that people might self-medicate by taking ivermectin products intended for animals, which it said could cause serious harm. "People should not take any form of ivermectin unless it has been prescribed to them by a licensed health care provider," it warned.

    One unknown is what dose might be needed to kill SARS-CoV-2 in a patient. The test tube study in Australia used notably high doses.

    "There is some basic research that suggests ivermectin may be an anti-viral, but the doses needed to achieve that was rarely achieved in humans," said Prof Nichol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    snotboogie wrote: »

    No mention of licking the handles of a bus. Or pissing in the swimming pool. Just biased RTE ptopaganda.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,058 ✭✭✭Polar101



    - people will be far more conscious of going into a work place with symptoms and home working should mean the temptation goes down.

    Every workplace has that one idiot who comes to work sick "because it's not too bad", and then gets rewarded for being a dedicated worker - while infecting everyone else. I'd love to see them told to go back home.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Daily numbers continue to be good from out of the UK. For all the catastrophic screw ups made, the exit from this and the financial supports look good. Infections will rise with the ambitious back to school plan and fast reopening but maybe, just maybe, infections will be from a low enough base, and vaccinations high enough, that they stay ahead of it

    Very low numbers now in London


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  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Every workplace has that one idiot who comes to work sick "because it's not too bad", and then gets rewarded for being a dedicated worker - while infecting everyone else. I'd love to see them told to go back home.

    I think it will be completely socially unacceptable. As will coughing and sneezing on the Luas or bus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    6 deaths, 612 cases.

    Downward trend continues. RIP to those 6.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Normal One wrote: »
    6 deaths, 612 cases.

    Downward trend continues. RIP to those 6.

    Decline of 67 cases since last week. Roughly 10% a week at the moment.

    I believe this is the largest death toll on a Sunday for a while but that's reporting randomness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,345 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    hynesie08 wrote: »

    Seems like NPHET have realised the constant negativity was not doing the public any good or leading to greater compliance


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Spain, Portugal, Latvia, Andorra, and Monaco have reduced their 7-day avg cases per capita more than we have over the past week. Almost everywhere else in Europe has gone up. Go us! smile.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,626 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    They was a glimpse of normality out today.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Seems like NPHET have realised the constant negativity was not doing the public any good or leading to greater compliance

    What a bizarre reading of the situation. Nphets role is not one of issuing soothing pronouncements to the public but to call the situation as they see it and to advise government on the best course of action.

    I hadn't realised how incredibly childish large parts of our population is, with their need for positive news. Sometimes there is little positive to report - such as during the self inflicted ****storm that was Christmas. What did you expect them to do, make something up to make you feel happy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    What did you expect them to do, make something up to make you feel happy?
    Have you not been in this thread before?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    What a bizarre reading of the situation. Nphets role is not one of issuing soothing pronouncements to the public but to call the situation as they see it and to advise government on the best course of action.

    I hadn't realised how incredibly childish large parts of our population is, with their need for positive news. Sometimes there is little positive to report - such as during the self inflicted ****storm that was Christmas. What did you expect them to do, make something up to make you feel happy?

    Well their reporting this week has been a significant contrast to last week, despite little really changing. I don't expect anything


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,210 ✭✭✭prunudo


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Seems like NPHET have realised the constant negativity was not doing the public any good or leading to greater compliance

    Has the main man come back from compassionate leave yet. Always found Glynn was more positive or certainly not as negative and tut tutting as Hoolahan.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    There seemed to be this perception that one was playing off against the other whereas we can see by opening up at Christmas that we are now suffering a six to eight month lockdown ahead.
    https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40235138.html

    ISAG (Zero Covid) in a local Cork paper stating we are looking at a 6 to 8 month lockdown. This is while they simultaneously say if we follow them we will be open by summer.

    They really are an insufferable bunch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Well their reporting this week has been a significant contrast to last week, despite little really changing. I don't expect anything
    Perhaps because the picture is changing? Perhaps because we can start to see the effectiveness of the vaccines in the group that it has been administered to?

    I repeat my question, what good news/positivity exactly did you expect them to report when the **** was hitting the fan? Can you not see how childish such an expectation is?


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Seems like NPHET have realised the constant negativity was not doing the public any good or leading to greater compliance

    Sounds like someone hasn't been paying attention for a whole year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Perhaps because the picture is changing? Perhaps because we can start to see the effectiveness of the vaccines in the group that it has been administered to?

    I repeat my question, what good news/positivity exactly did you expect them to report when the **** was hitting the fan? Can you not see how childish such an expectation is?

    Stop making a presumption without me ever stating this . Data on vaccine effectiveness has been clear for a number of weeks btw.


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  • Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    I wonder if any data is becoming available for health care workers who have been vaccinated over a couple of weeks, catching covid?


  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Stop making a presumption without me ever stating this . Data on vaccine effectiveness has been clear for a number of weeks btw.

    Not here it hasn't. Any country should be looking at the impact on it's own health services instead of saying 'ah sure, it's going grand for the Israelis'.

    Here, we saw the impact vaccines were having on nursing homes and frontline healthcare staff for the first time this week, and because of that data NPHET have every reason to be more confident, which is why we're getting this messaging now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 498 ✭✭JP100


    Please God the wider school reopening from next week goes well. I'm much less confident about things in schools than last September. I think it's 50/50 how this plays out and things could go wrong very easily. I also think it's going to be harder for the government/HSE to manipulate and massage school numbers this time around. Outbreaks in schools are going to be much more obvious this time around and harder for the government to bury. I just really hope the wider return can go well because apart from the safety point of view, it's going to completely set us back as to what we as a society can do over the next few months if things go badly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Think I might form the Irish Media Advisory Group (IMAG), and push for a zero RTE approach to life on the island. #wecanbezero.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,531 ✭✭✭pottokblue


    I think Uk data showed an 70% reduction in HCW catching C19 post vaccination, they still have maybe 20% of NHS unvaccinated for several reasons.


  • Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I wonder if any data is becoming available for health care workers who have been vaccinated over a couple of weeks, catching covid?

    Levels of infection in HCW is now extremely low

    https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/surveillance/covid-19outbreaksclustersinireland/COVID-19%20Weekly%20Outbreak%20Report_Week072021_23022021_WebVersion_v.1.0.pdf


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I think it will be completely socially unacceptable. As will coughing and sneezing on the Luas or bus

    As long as employers don’t have to pay you when off sick it will continue


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,141 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Not here it hasn't. Any country should be looking at the impact on it's own health services instead of saying 'ah sure, it's going grand for the Israelis'.

    Here, we saw the impact vaccines were having on nursing homes and frontline healthcare staff for the first time this week, and because of that data NPHET have every reason to be more confident, which is why we're getting this messaging now.

    This. Added to the fact that the case numbers continue to reduce even as non symptomatic close contacts are being tested. Contact tracing is also now functioning again. Hospital numbers continue to fall. The positivity rate is below 5% meaning we move to a containment strategy rather than mitigation. These are all things that have changed for the good in the past two three weeks.

    Considering the above, of course Nphet can be somewhat cautiously optimistic about the way out of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    This. Added to the fact that the case numbers continue to reduce even as non symptomatic close contacts are being tested. Contact tracing is also now functioning again. Hospital numbers continue to fall. The positivity rate is below 5% meaning we move to a containment strategy rather than mitigation. These are all things that have changed for the good in the past two three weeks.

    Considering the above, of course Nphet can be somewhat cautiously optimistic about the way out of this.

    Time for take away pints!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Gael23 wrote: »
    As long as employers don’t have to pay you when off sick it will continue

    The Social Welfare will have to improve too . As it stands they dont pay sickness benefits for the first week


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