The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

tritium wrote: »

I see an income of €4.25 million for 2016. I have no way of judging if that’s good or bad in the scheme of things since there’s no context to place it in

For example, based on a quick google, if you told us the Kerry county committee reported an income of €6.14 million for 2019 I might have context

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30968139.html%3ftype=amp

Or if you told us Mayo GAA had a €3.59 million income in 2019 I’d have some point of context:
https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/36251-mayo-gaa-shows-216k-surplus

Neither figure implies the rest of the GAA is in poverty, though Id fully accept, as over a century of history shows us, it’s not level financially for all counties

As it is it’s just a number stuck in there to try to appal people by virtue of being large

I'm not sure why but you've left out the Games development section on the Dublin GAA accounts. It's under the Strategic Review Committee heading. Do you want to write off the 2.7 million there? Also, you've decided to compare it with 2 of the counties with the highest level of fundraising in the country, not sure why you didn't choose other counties for a comparison?

But as we have the accounts to do a direct comparison, we can choose Mayo and Dublin's from 2016. The total income for Dublin is 7,022,308, the total income for Mayo is 3,076,988, which included over 800,000 in fundraising activities. We can assume both have increased their income since then but that's a massive gap and Mayo would be up there with the highest levels of income in the GAA.

Here are the accounts:

http://archive.stsylvesters.ie/t2/news/reports-for-dublin-county-convention

http://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf

So the question remains, how can we allow a county with the level of resources available to Dublin compete against counties with far less?

Enquiring wrote: »

It's all about opinions but a buy in from everyone in Dublin is not necessary in my own opinion. The benefits of the split of Dublin will be presented as will alternatives. People are then free to make up their minds. It's clear that the hunger for change is growing around the country. What that change will entail is unclear as yet but it's important to highlight all the relevant facts and not have them silenced.

Indeed change is required and is coming , and the facts have been highlighted over and over again on this thread, in my opinion Dublin don't need to split and will not be split any time soon, but yea it's all about opinions , bring it on and let's see what happens

superbluedub wrote: »

Indeed change is required and is coming , and the facts have been highlighted over and over again on this thread, in my opinion Dublin don't need to split and will not be split any time soon, but yea it's all about opinions , bring it on and let's see what happens

I don't see any other option looking at the facts; splitting Dublin is the only way forward in my opinion.

tritium wrote: »

How can you say I have left anything out when you provided the figures? Baffling

Equally baffling why you want to focus on old figures. After googling Kerry and Mayo I just googled dublin 2019 figures

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.html

The problem is it doesn’t really support your notion of a huge juggernaut with vastly greater revenues than everyone else. In fact the income reported is between the other two.

Now you might well come back and say there’s something you think should also be in there. But to be honest, especially with the funding to dublin being progressively cut, it’s still really not going to support your arguments. It wouldn’t be a surprise for dublin to be able to deliver better than others on the commercials, for reasons rebel girl already outlined coupled with their current level of success, but the difference in income is actually surprisingly small, and certainly far far too small to in any way be the basis of a split dublin argument

Or to put it another way, if a county with dublins resources shouldn’t be competing with counties with “far less” then several other counties are a problem also

You omitted the 2.7 million under the Strategic Review Committee section, did you look at the full account I linked for you? Are you trying to fiddle the numbers again?

I'm not trying to focus on old numbers, we have access to the full accounts for both Mayo and Dublin for 2016. That's a fair comparison. Dublin are miles out in front. The evidence is right there. How is a gap of 4 million to a county with one of the biggest income levels surprisingly small? It's huge! Dublin are 5 and 6 million ahead of other counties and that's comparing up to date figures with Dublin's in 2016. We know Dublin's income and expenditure has increased since then, 3.8 million spent on Games Development in 2019 for example.

This really puts the nail in the coffin for those defending the financial disparity. The millions pumped into Dublin GAA has left them with a huge level of resources. The only option is to split Dublin and the resources are there for 4 counties to thrive!

Enquiring wrote: »

You omitted the 2.7 million under the Strategic Review Committee section, did you look at the full account I linked for you? Are you trying to fiddle the numbers again?

I'm not trying to focus on old numbers, we have access to the full accounts for both Mayo and Dublin for 2016. That's a fair comparison. Dublin are miles out in front. The evidence is right there. How is a gap of 4 million to a county with one of the biggest income levels surprisingly small? It's huge! Dublin are 5 and 6 million ahead of other counties and that's comparing up to date figures with Dublin's in 2016. We know Dublin's income and expenditure has increased since then, 3.8 million spent on Games Development in 2019 for example.

This really puts the nail in the coffin for those defending the financial disparity. The millions pumped into Dublin GAA has left them with a huge level of resources. The only option is to split Dublin and the resources are there for 4 counties to thrive!

You know you really need to learn when your arguments dusted and buried. If you really are trying to argue that counties that have between 3.5 and 6+ million in income aren’t getting a fair shake you need to step back and think about things a bit. It actually sounds comical. I mean, stating the obvious here but, how big a gap is acceptable? Because the relative gap from say dublin to Mayo or Kerry is smaller than the gap from say Mayo to Sligo (2019 income of 1.17 million) or Kerry to Waterford (1.9million income in 2019).

tritium wrote: »

You know you really need to learn when your arguments dusted and buried. If you really are trying to argue that counties that have between 3.5 and 6+ million in income aren’t getting a fair shake you need to step back and think about things a bit. It actually sounds comical. I mean, stating the obvious here but, how big a gap is acceptable? Because the relative gap from say dublin to Mayo or Kerry is smaller than the gap from say Mayo to Sligo (2019 income of 1.17 million) or Kerry to Waterford (1.9million income in 2019).

Ignoring the Strategic Review Committee section won't make it go away. The article you linked noted expenditure of 4.27 million for Dublin in 2019. You know how much Dublin spent on Games Development alone in 2019 don't you? Do you want to do the maths on that?

Dublin GAA had income of 4 million more than Mayo in 2016. They have income of 5 and 6 million over most other counties like Sligo and Waterford. That is an incredible amount of resources and it has gone up since then. I fail to see how you could make a statement saying this gap is surprisingly small. It's actually a shockingly big gap.

Dublin GAA are entering teams into competitions with not only having the advantage of having their own multi million euro development plan devised and funded for them since 2002, but they also have income and expenditure levels dwarfing other counties to the tune of millions. It's extraordinary. I think this puts the success of the Dublin men's and women's footballers and all other areas of Dublin GAA into context. How could they not win bucket loads of titles? Actually, to not have won more is quite embarrassing when you look at the facts.

As I’ve said the split will never happen. Pipe dream by a few internet posters, oh and John Connellan, who was incapable of getting his proposal to congress, not really surprising based on his prep for his debate with the Leinster Chairman.

Enquiring wrote: »

Well, the level of resources on top of the Dublin only scheme for 2 decades makes the split inevitable I'm afraid. This is an amateur sport, counties entering with professional structures can not be allowed.

Don't be afraid , your entitled to your opinion , I understand your position on a split , however it's not gonna happen anytime soon if ever .

superbluedub wrote: »

Dublin holding the rest of the gaa to ransom ? Jesus wept
If the gaa decides Dublin splits!! The key word here is IF !! Not gonna happen , your only fooling yourself lad .

I disagree. It sounds like you are trying to convince yourself here. The split is a very real possibility. It was mooted by the gaa already, we both know this. Your mantra of 'it will never happen' sounds more like a guy with his fingers in his ears and eyes closed, chanting over and over again, to hide from reality. The odds of it coming to pass are actually quite high

ShyMets wrote: »

Enquiring. I'll ask one final time. You've stated that this is a national issue. I asked twice what you were personally doing to effect change beyond posting on Boards.

I await your response. Or perhaps I shouldn't hold my breath

It is a national issue. The future direction of the gaa across the country is very much intertwined with how this plays out. There is a reason why this topic was arising on basically every thread on boards - it affects every facet of the gaa.

As for enquiring personally going out and doing something, the same can be asked of anyone in this discussion, I dont get what point you think that makes. Cant you go out and do things to forward your views also?