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The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭superbluedub


    gourcuff wrote: »
    this argument is patent nonsense, if a cyclist managed to beat lance armstrong once it wouldn't retrospectively justify all the doping he did..

    david beating goliath in a one off game doesn't justify doping goliath to an inch of his life at the expense of all the other davids..

    i think i've laboured the metaphor enough

    Whos arguing ?The only nonsense i see here is the Lance Armstrong rubbish :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭flasher0030


    ooter wrote: »
    All killing machines have their weakness, in dublin's case it appears to be picking up a stick and sliotar.

    Man, you are some serious deflector. Can't be taking what you say serious at all. All you do is go off on a tangent about the hurlers, about Laois, about Meath winning All-Irelands soon. Why don't you just stick with reality and the main focus, not going off to your fairy-tale world.
    You're talking as if the hurlers and the footballers are the one team. They aren't, just in case you are not aware. This has been repeated over and over again. Please tell me it sticks with you this time. The hurlers have come from a much lower base i.e they were winning nothing 10, 15 years ago. They improved somewhat with the funding but not enough to win all-irelands. The footballers were up close to the top-tier for many years - in the top 7 or 8 maybe, on average. Maybe higher. The excessive funding has pushed them on to be top dog.
    Also football has also been the dominant GAA sport historically in the Capital - over hurling, more of the funding would have gone towards football than hurling.

    And to make it even simpler for you to understand. If €17m was given to Kilkenny hurlers, they would rule for decades. If €17m was given to bring on Kilkenny football over a 12 year period, they wouldn't win an Ireland to save their lives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭Compo82


    Up to 2017 you could have said Dublin were beatable on the day, but they have actually pulled ahead and rather than the pack catching up. It might be awhile before some team catches them. In reality maybe, only one team is capable of beating them and that is still probably Kerry despite their loss to Cork this year.

    Mayo, Donegal and Tyrone are too far away. I wonder at what stage the GAA goes right that's enough. 8,9 or 10 in row? They might get stopped one year but they might win 3-4 in a row again after that.

    I'm not too sure am I in favour of splitting them, but a few things should happen straight away. All Leinster games should be held outside of Croke Park apart from the Leinster final. Super 8 games outside of Croke Park and all home league games in Parnell Park. Also the funding need to be evened out straight away and more support should be given to other counties. This might make zero difference but at least it's a start and might show some less favouritism, because at the moment the GAA seem to be doing everything to have a strong Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Don't know what the wink is for. They have just won 6 in a row. And their main players are in their prime - O'Callaghan, Fenton, Kilkenny etc.
    Like I say, it's a conveyor belt. There will be no new killing machine for some time. There will be the odd shock along the way and we'll hear the cries of Dubolin are not invincible, and the chasing pack are catching up etc. But in reality Dublin will be the main team, and a significant step ahead of the chasing pack for many years to come.

    Dublin GAA now spend nearly 4 million per year on player development. It's inevitable that success will continue across the board with that level of finance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    Man, you are some serious deflector. Can't be taking what you say serious at all. All you do is go off on a tangent about the hurlers, about Laois, about Meath winning All-Irelands soon. Why don't you just stick with reality and the main focus, not going off to your fairy-tale world.
    You're talking as if the hurlers and the footballers are the one team. They aren't, just in case you are not aware. This has been repeated over and over again. Please tell me it sticks with you this time. The hurlers have come from a much lower base i.e they were winning nothing 10, 15 years ago. They improved somewhat with the funding but not enough to win all-irelands. The footballers were up close to the top-tier for many years - in the top 7 or 8 maybe, on average. Maybe higher. The excessive funding has pushed them on to be top dog.
    Also football has also been the dominant GAA sport historically in the Capital - over hurling, more of the funding would have gone towards football than hurling.

    And to make it even simpler for you to understand. If €17m was given to Kilkenny hurlers, they would rule for decades. If €17m was given to bring on Kilkenny football over a 12 year period, they wouldn't win an Ireland to save their lives.

    A simple fact you don't seem to comprehend is the funding in the Dublin only project which I am not saying didn't happen was for games development, that was based on the school going children numbers, not the registered GAA players. Dublin GAA did not get 17m to develop their senior football team contrary to some people misguided comprehension of what the funding was for. The development was for all four codes, I was involved in running an academy in my club for a number of years and both codes were dealt with for boys, I was only involved with the girls football, but again both codes were dealt with there as well. We initially made a mistake in running them one after another on a Saturday morning, some kids opted out of hurling, mainly due to not liking being hit with a hurl, we changed format and incorporated both codes into one session and increased playing numbers. But lets stop with the bull that 17m was spent on a senior football team. That is a lie.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭superbluedub


    Compo82 wrote: »
    Up to 2017 you could have said Dublin were beatable on the day, but they have actually pulled ahead and rather than the pack catching up. It might be awhile before some team catches them. In reality maybe, only one team is capable of beating them and that is still probably Kerry despite their loss to Cork this year.

    Mayo, Donegal and Tyrone are too far away. I wonder at what stage the GAA goes right that's enough. 8,9 or 10 in row? They might get stopped one year but they might win 3-4 in a row again after that.

    I'm not too sure am I in favour of splitting them, but a few things should happen straight away. All Leinster games should be held outside of Croke Park apart from the Leinster final. Super 8 games outside of Croke Park and all home league games in Parnell Park. Also the funding need to be evened out straight away and more support should be given to other counties. This might make zero difference but at least it's a start and might show some less favouritism, because at the moment the GAA seem to be doing everything to have a strong Dublin.

    Kerry could and should have beaten Dublin in 2019
    They might have gone on to beat them in 2020 , but took Cork for granted
    They wont make that mistake in 2021
    Mayo gave Dublin a good rattle in 2020 with a very young exciting team
    and will improve for sure in 2021
    Tyrone under new management wont be far away
    Donegal on there day are a match for anyone including DUblin
    Agreed 100% about Leinster games in Crokepark and super 8 games etc
    Funding is being addressed .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭superbluedub


    Enquiring wrote: »
    Dublin GAA now spend nearly 4 million per year on player development. It's inevitable that success will continue across the board with that level of finance.

    Think you have mentioned this already :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    ArielAtom wrote: »
    A simple fact you don't seem to comprehend is the funding in the Dublin only project which I am not saying didn't happen was for games development, that was based on the school going children numbers, not the registered GAA players. Dublin GAA did not get 17m to develop their senior football team contrary to some people misguided comprehension of what the funding was for. The development was for both codes, I was involved in running an academy in my club for a number of years and both codes were dealt with. We initially made a mistake in running them one after another on a Saturday morning, some kids opted out of hurling, mainly due to not liking being hit with a hurl, we changed format and incorporated both codes into one session and increased playing numbers. But lets stop with the bull that 17m was spent on a senior football team. That is a lie.

    Dublin got far more than 17 million and as stated by the Dublin GAA strategic program manager, the coaches paid for by the money work under the direction of the clubs they are assigned to. So this involves coaching in primary and secondary schools and then their main roll is improving standards within the club they're hired by.

    Within clubs in Dublin, there are under 30,000 kids aged between 8 and 18. These are the main targets of the funding. Long term Dublin GAA employees have noted the incredible transformation in standards of development squads between before the Dublin only coaching scheme was introduced and now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter


    A generation of young Dublin players have had the benefit of targeted funding and professional coaching for the guts of 20 years, those players are now in their 20's and should be in their prime, the cream of the crop. They were thought the same game as every other child in the country involved in gaa, only to a professional standard. The least you would expect is an all Ireland final, not losing to laois.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Think you have mentioned this already :rolleyes:

    Dublin have been competing on an unequal footing for nearly 20 years now and the gap is growing!! The resources available are outrageous. What other counties spend 4 million per year in total? Dublin spend close to 10 million on wages and development alone. It just can't continue if we want fair and open competitions. Obviously, those opposed to that effort will have no issue with the level of resources Dublin have available.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,247 ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    I'm going to lock this for a few hours and go back through the posts - number of posts are starting to cross the line targeting individuals rather than the post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    All this rubbish on here about true supporters of the game etc, what nonsense. Call a spade a spade as some of this is typical Irish begrudgery - Dublin are successful so lets knock them off their pedestal - lets cut their funding, lets split them in half etc etc. I'm getting to the point as a poster on here (without my mod hat on) that for three or four years the same stuff is posted by people behind a screen. My question is besides moaning about it on here, what are you actually doing? The structures of the GAA are there to be used for change, have any of you submitted motions to your clubs? Your clubs submit that motion to your county and up the chain?

    That really isnt the case. Kerry dominated the game from an equal footing and nobody was calling for them to be split. If what you say is true then that wouldnt be the case. If the dublin province - as it is now considered as regards funding - was split up into counties, and one of them dominated, id say fair play to them, the same way I say fair play to kerry now. I dont begrudge dublin anything, because for what has been pumped into it, they have a poor return truth be told. If they want genuine recognition, then they need to do what kerry or kilkenny did and win it from an equal footing. That is just common sense surely?

    I cant fathom these dublin apologists, harping on about being jealous and the like. How anyone could look at the facts and not see an issue is hard to get your head around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,006 ✭✭✭EICVD


    That really isnt the case. Kerry dominated the game from an equal footing and nobody was calling for them to be split. If what you say is true then that wouldnt be the case. If the dublin province - as it is now considered as regards funding - was split up into counties, and one of them dominated, id say fair play to them, the same way I say fair play to kerry now. I dont begrudge dublin anything, because for what has been pumped into it, they have a poor return truth be told. If they want genuine recognition, then they need to do what kerry or kilkenny did and win it from an equal footing. That is just common sense surely?

    I cant fathom these dublin apologists, harping on about being jealous and the like. How anyone could look at the facts and not see an issue is hard to get your head around.

    Well done, you pretty much proved Rebel Girls post


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    That really isnt the case. Kerry dominated the game from an equal footing and nobody was calling for them to be split. If what you say is true then that wouldnt be the case. If the dublin province - as it is now considered as regards funding - was split up into counties, and one of them dominated, id say fair play to them, the same way I say fair play to kerry now. I dont begrudge dublin anything, because for what has been pumped into it, they have a poor return truth be told. If they want genuine recognition, then they need to do what kerry or kilkenny did and win it from an equal footing. That is just common sense surely?

    I cant fathom these dublin apologists, harping on about being jealous and the like. How anyone could look at the facts and not see an issue is hard to get your head around.

    But it really is the case. Everything gets reduced to dublin win because of money.
    No acknowledgement that for example dublin have problems other counties don’t have to worry about- posters shouting about how much dublin spent on the spawell but no realisation that that patch of land costs many multiples of what it would elsewhere, or that in general dublin don’t have access to pitches at the extent of most counties.
    Spouting on about Croke park but no acknowledgement that the other Leinster counties have been voting for the dublin footballers to play there for financial reasons and that’s probably prevented any meaningful development of Parnell park.
    Spouting on about numbers of GDOs but no acknowledgment that the clubs have scrimped and paid for half of them or that they have to work with many multiples of the number of kids across schools and clubs than is the case in other counties. No acknowledgement of the difference of numbers of kids theses GDOs have to reach. To some posters dublin should be penalised for having people living there.
    Some posters presenting loose financial facts like the allocation per county on GD while forgetting about literally million of euros of GAA gd spend. Trawling every county officials statements to find a sentence somewhere to justify their bile.
    Your own county has also spent millions on their senior team. There is no argument by any stretch of the imagination that they’re not getting the best of sport science. Physically they’ve trained like any top athletes, Jesus there are Olympic level athletes doing less. We’re so far past diminishing returns that it’s not even funny. And they’ve come close on many occasions, and believe me as someone who watches dublin through the 90s I know how much that can hurt. But that’s sport, dublin have been there too.
    Yet it all about dublins money to a small pool of posters here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    tritium wrote: »
    But it really is the case. Everything gets reduced to dublin win because of money.

    But when the fingerprints of the unfair distribution of money is so clear on dublins run of success, how would it not be in people's thinking? Why would people laud all this credit on them in that scenario? What credit do they actually deserve? They arent competing against rivals of equal means as themselves, what credit do they warrant for that? Well done on beating up weaklings?

    If leinster rugby were parachuted into the club rugby game, would you give them credit for beating the other teams? I wouldnt. Id ask why cant they go and beat teams that are comparable to themselves. You would it seems?

    Re spawell, dublin can sell land for equally inflated figures, one cancels out the other. Wages are higher in dublin also.

    Re scrimping to pay gdos, if you think that is what they did then you have no knowledge of what it is like in clubs outside dublin. The system was set up to make the rich richer. Dublin clubs have the population, therefore they have the resources. For you to see dublin clubs as some kind of martyr in this system only highlights what you dont know about the gaa in the rest of the country.

    My own county has large fixed costs around travel that yours doesnt have. However my county raise the money themselves, no handouts, no taxpayers wages, no population advantages, so really and truely, you are not in a position to be asking questions about how thry spend it.

    Maybe a start would be to cease viewing dublin as a victim would be your first port of call. They are anything but


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter


    Some amount of whatabboutery.
    As was pointed out with the soccer analogy a few pages back, Leinster rugby is a professional setup.
    Terrible comparison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    But when the fingerprints of the unfair distribution of money is so clear on dublins run of success, how would it not be in people's thinking? Why would people laud all this credit on them in that scenario? What credit do they actually deserve? They arent competing against rivals of equal means as themselves, what credit do they warrant for that? Well done on beating up weaklings?

    If leinster rugby were parachuted into the club rugby game, would you give them credit for beating the other teams? I wouldnt. Id ask why cant they go and beat teams that are comparable to themselves. You would it seems?

    We go back to this again so. How many of the top counties have ever competed with rivals “of equal means as themselves” ? Your own county Mayo have a far higher inter county spend than many Connacht or indeed non Connacht counties so I presume you don’t feel they deserve any credit for their achievements either?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    ooter wrote: »

    I think that’s a Tim o’Leary run event. By any other name it’s corporate donations but if you give them a plate of chicken and some dancing it gets passed off as fundraising. Maybe we should get dublin to play Molly Malone and buy a few spice bags when an AIG executive comes into town


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    But when the fingerprints of the unfair distribution of money is so clear on dublins run of success, how would it not be in people's thinking? Why would people laud all this credit on them in that scenario? What credit do they actually deserve? They arent competing against rivals of equal means as themselves, what credit do they warrant for that? Well done on beating up weaklings?

    If leinster rugby were parachuted into the club rugby game, would you give them credit for beating the other teams? I wouldnt. Id ask why cant they go and beat teams that are comparable to themselves. You would it seems?

    Re spawell, dublin can sell land for equally inflated figures, one cancels out the other. Wages are higher in dublin also.

    Re scrimping to pay gdos, if you think that is what they did then you have no knowledge of what it is like in clubs outside dublin. The system was set up to make the rich richer. Dublin clubs have the population, therefore they have the resources. For you to see dublin clubs as some kind of martyr in this system only highlights what you dont know about the gaa in the rest of the country.

    My own county has large fixed costs around travel that yours doesnt have. However my county raise the money themselves, no handouts, no taxpayers wages, no population advantages, so really and truely, you are not in a position to be asking questions about how thry spend it.

    Maybe a start would be to cease viewing dublin as a victim would be your first port of call. They are anything but

    There does appear to be a major victim complex amongst some Dublin supporters that is really hard to fathom. As we all know, the GAA set up a task force to draw up a strategic plan for the development of Gaelic Games in Dublin, they received millions more to develop players than everyone else, their senior footballers have been allowed the use of a 300 million euro stadium for a high percentage of their matches this century, their senior hurlers were offered the same. After all of this, there are some that claim that they've been mistreated and deserve more!

    The thing is, it's not all of Dublin's supporters. There are some who recognise that they've received far more than everyone else and they acknowledge how unfair it has been. These people are more open to the split been put into effect. Again, the split isn't an attack on Dublin, it's been framed like that by some. It's a necessity for the health of Gaelic Games. That's for the country as a whole but also for GAA in our capital. One of the key ingredients of the Strategic Development Committee's proposals was the spread of Gaelic Games to other areas of Dublin.

    How many new clubs have been established since 2002? We have seen the development of super clubs with huge numbers of players but smaller clubs have been neglected. Having 4 county boards targetted with developing Gaelic Games in their region instead of 1 overseeing everything can only be beneficial. They can look at establishing new clubs, at developing those who've been left behind and importantly, be able to tackle areas with social issues and get them involved in sport. It can only be a good thing for people and Gaelic Games in Dublin and promoting these benefits is what needs to be looked at. Instead of it being painted as a negative, let's get the positives pushed forward and we will have more buy in from within Dublin also.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭superbluedub


    Enquiring wrote: »
    There does appear to be a major victim complex amongst some Dublin supporters that is really hard to fathom. As we all know, the GAA set up a task force to draw up a strategic plan for the development of Gaelic Games in Dublin, they received millions more to develop players than everyone else, their senior footballers have been allowed the use of a 300 million euro stadium for a high percentage of their matches this century, their senior hurlers were offered the same. After all of this, there are some that claim that they've been mistreated and deserve more!

    The thing is, it's not all of Dublin's supporters. There are some who recognise that they've received far more than everyone else and they acknowledge how unfair it has been. These people are more open to the split been put into effect. Again, the split isn't an attack on Dublin, it's been framed like that by some. It's a necessity for the health of Gaelic Games. That's for the country as a whole but also for GAA in our capital. One of the key ingredients of the Strategic Development Committee's proposals was the spread of Gaelic Games to other areas of Dublin.

    How many new clubs have been established since 2002? We have seen the development of super clubs with huge numbers of players but smaller clubs have been neglected. Having 4 county boards targetted with developing Gaelic Games in their region instead of 1 overseeing everything can only be beneficial. They can look at establishing new clubs, at developing those who've been left behind and importantly, be able to tackle areas with social issues and get them involved in sport. It can only be a good thing for people and Gaelic Games in Dublin and promoting these benefits is what needs to be looked at. Instead of it being painted as a negative, let's get the positives pushed forward and we will have more buy in from within Dublin also.

    Again you speak of a split , a split is not necessary and in my opinion will not happen for a very long time if ever , there will never be a buy in from Dublin
    Dublin has one senior football team , and thats the way it should stay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Again you speak of a split , a split is not necessary and in my opinion will not happen for a very long time if ever , there will never be a buy in from Dublin
    Dublin has one senior football team , and thats the way it should stay.

    It's all about opinions but a buy in from everyone in Dublin is not necessary in my own opinion. The benefits of the split of Dublin will be presented as will alternatives. People are then free to make up their minds. It's clear that the hunger for change is growing around the country. What that change will entail is unclear as yet but it's important to highlight all the relevant facts and not have them silenced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ooter wrote: »
    Some amount of whatabboutery.
    As was pointed out with the soccer analogy a few pages back, Leinster rugby is a professional setup.
    Terrible comparison.

    Dublin gaa is a professional setup also. Dublin clubs are employing people full time, never mind dublin gaa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    ooter wrote: »

    What was that about whataboutery?

    However, as ive said all along, once counties are starting from a similar point, fundraising is fine by me. If people want to pay 10k fine. If they dont, fine. Did the taxpayers get that choice? Did the gaa members get that choice? Afraid not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Enquiring wrote: »
    There does appear to be a major victim complex amongst some Dublin supporters that is really hard to fathom. As we all know, the GAA set up a task force to draw up a strategic plan for the development of Gaelic Games in Dublin, they received millions more to develop players than everyone else, their senior footballers have been allowed the use of a 300 million euro stadium for a high percentage of their matches this century, their senior hurlers were offered the same. After all of this, there are some that claim that they've been mistreated and deserve more!

    The thing is, it's not all of Dublin's supporters. There are some who recognise that they've received far more than everyone else and they acknowledge how unfair it has been. These people are more open to the split been put into effect. Again, the split isn't an attack on Dublin, it's been framed like that by some. It's a necessity for the health of Gaelic Games. That's for the country as a whole but also for GAA in our capital. One of the key ingredients of the Strategic Development Committee's proposals was the spread of Gaelic Games to other areas of Dublin.

    Agreed. A certain ex dublin manager being one of them. However, I dont give them a pass. They need to speak up and stop letting others speak for them, otherwise they are just as bad as far as im concerned. This is doing irreparable damage to the sporting name of their county. They are letting it happen


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,946 ✭✭✭MayoAreMagic


    Again you speak of a split , a split is not necessary and in my opinion will not happen for a very long time if ever , there will never be a buy in from Dublin
    Dublin has one senior football team , and thats the way it should stay.

    A buy in from dublin is no more a required than a buy in from every gaa member to fund dublin to the level they were. If one can happen then so can the other. You are foolijg yourself if you think one county can hold the rest of the gaa country to ransom. If the gaa decides that dublin splits, they either split or they dont play


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter


    Dublin gaa is a professional setup also. Dublin clubs are employing people full time, never mind dublin gaa.

    Well if employing people full time is the definition of professional setup it's more than just Dublin that are professional in the GAA.
    I would've thought paying players made it a professional setup but I could be wrong, amateur players equals amateur sport.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,349 ✭✭✭ooter


    Is the iaba a professional setup?
    http://iaba.ie/high-performance/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Enquiring wrote: »
    There does appear to be a major victim complex amongst some Dublin supporters that is really hard to fathom. As we all know, the GAA set up a task force to draw up a strategic plan for the development of Gaelic Games in Dublin, they received millions more to develop players than everyone else, their senior footballers have been allowed the use of a 300 million euro stadium for a high percentage of their matches this century, their senior hurlers were offered the same. After all of this, there are some that claim that they've been mistreated and deserve more!

    The thing is, it's not all of Dublin's supporters. There are some who recognise that they've received far more than everyone else and they acknowledge how unfair it has been. These people are more open to the split been put into effect. Again, the split isn't an attack on Dublin, it's been framed like that by some. It's a necessity for the health of Gaelic Games. That's for the country as a whole but also for GAA in our capital. One of the key ingredients of the Strategic Development Committee's proposals was the spread of Gaelic Games to other areas of Dublin.

    How many new clubs have been established since 2002? We have seen the development of super clubs with huge numbers of players but smaller clubs have been neglected. Having 4 county boards targetted with developing Gaelic Games in their region instead of 1 overseeing everything can only be beneficial. They can look at establishing new clubs, at developing those who've been left behind and importantly, be able to tackle areas with social issues and get them involved in sport. It can only be a good thing for people and Gaelic Games in Dublin and promoting these benefits is what needs to be looked at. Instead of it being painted as a negative, let's get the positives pushed forward and we will have more buy in from within Dublin also.

    Oh dear, where to start. It’s for dublin to decide the organisational structure that’s most beneficial for dublin and almost invariably the signs from the capital are that current form rather than some diluted silliness is the preferred option. For that reason alone there’ll be no split anytime soon

    Other teams are of course just as welcome as dublin to use Croke park. Its the national stadium after all and dublin GAA don’t oversee it. If they want to vote dublin out of there so be it, if they want to vote themselves to play there every match I don’t think it’ll bother dublin either way. Either way it’s not a dublin decision anyway.

    I’m sure you’ll give us evidence of the neglect of smaller clubs. Regardless, larger clubs are what happens when you have a higher population density. Nothing in split or not split will make a bit of difference to that, there’ll still be the same catchment for those clubs and there stil won’t be enough available pitches to split them into smaller entities.

    From what I see in my own area the clubs in dublin are doing just fine in terms of doing their part to tackle social issues. Would be nice if the available land didn’t keep getting sold off for apartments or cpo’d for infrastructure projects (something many counties don’t have to worry about), but that’s not sometihing the GAA in dublins have huge say in


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Enquiring


    Let's not forget that it's not just the development scheme planned and funded for Dublin that's the issue here. It's the results of that plan. The impact on the field of course but off it especially. Look at the finance at play within Dublin GAA, here are some snippets from their 2016 financial accounts:


    Dublin-County-Board-Accounts-2016.jpg



    And things have moved on from then! As you can see, sponsorship totalled 1.1 million in 2015, it went up to 1.5 million in 2016, last year it amounted to 2.3 million. The total spend on games development has also increased, John Costello stated that 3.8 million was spent in this area in 2019. Obviously, we don't have access to the recent Dublin county board accounts but I think it'd be fair to assume that spending has gone up across the board. How can we continue with one county operating with these resources and expect to have reputable competitions?


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