tritium wrote: » Oh dear, where to start. It’s for dublin to decide the organisational structure that’s most beneficial for dublin and almost invariably the signs from the capital are that current form rather than some diluted silliness is the preferred option. For that reason alone there’ll be no split anytime soon
Enquiring wrote: » I'm afraid, with the finances outlined in my post above, it's gone far past leaving this up to Dublin GAA. It's a national issue and splitting Dublin along with providing every county with fair funding is a necessity for the future health of Gaelic Games.
ShyMets wrote: » A national issue. So it's now up there with Covid. Homeless, Drug Addiction, the Economy to name but a few. As you've now deemed it a national issue perhaps you might tell us what you are are doing to effect change besides posting on Boards.ie
Enquiring wrote: » You can see the finance Dublin are operating with here, other counties have minuscule amounts in comparison. Many have to put major effort into fundraising just to scrape by. Yet, Dublin compete in the same competitions as all the others. How has this been allowed to happen? How can continuing with this imbalance be justified?
Enquiring wrote: » Let's not forget that it's not just the development scheme planned and funded for Dublin that's the issue here. It's the results of that plan. The impact on the field of course but off it especially. Look at the finance at play within Dublin GAA, here are some snippets from their 2016 financial accounts: And things have moved on from then! As you can see, sponsorship totalled 1.1 million in 2015, it went up to 1.5 million in 2016, last year it amounted to 2.3 million. The total spend on games development has also increased, John Costello stated that 3.8 million was spent in this area in 2019. Obviously, we don't have access to the recent Dublin county board accounts but I think it'd be fair to assume that spending has gone up across the board. How can we continue with one county operating with these resources and expect to have reputable competitions?
tritium wrote: » I see an income of €4.25 million for 2016. I have no way of judging if that’s good or bad in the scheme of things since there’s no context to place it in For example, based on a quick google, if you told us the Kerry county committee reported an income of €6.14 million for 2019 I might have contexthttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-30968139.html%3ftype=amp Or if you told us Mayo GAA had a €3.59 million income in 2019 I’d have some point of context:https://www.mayonews.ie/sports/36251-mayo-gaa-shows-216k-surplus Neither figure implies the rest of the GAA is in poverty, though Id fully accept, as over a century of history shows us, it’s not level financially for all counties As it is it’s just a number stuck in there to try to appal people by virtue of being large
Enquiring wrote: » It's all about opinions but a buy in from everyone in Dublin is not necessary in my own opinion. The benefits of the split of Dublin will be presented as will alternatives. People are then free to make up their minds. It's clear that the hunger for change is growing around the country. What that change will entail is unclear as yet but it's important to highlight all the relevant facts and not have them silenced.
ArielAtom wrote: » The split will never happen, not matter how many some internet posts hope for it. It really is that simple.
superbluedub wrote: » Indeed change is required and is coming , and the facts have been highlighted over and over again on this thread, in my opinion Dublin don't need to split and will not be split any time soon, but yea it's all about opinions , bring it on and let's see what happens
MayoAreMagic wrote: » A buy in from dublin is no more a required than a buy in from every gaa member to fund dublin to the level they were. If one can happen then so can the other. You are foolijg yourself if you think one county can hold the rest of the gaa country to ransom. If the gaa decides that dublin splits, they either split or they dont play
ShyMets wrote: » Thanks. But you didn't answer my question
Enquiring wrote: » I'm not sure why but you've left out the Games development section on the Dublin GAA accounts. It's under the Strategic Review Committee heading. Do you want to write off the 2.7 million there? Also, you've decided to compare it with 2 of the counties with the highest level of fundraising in the country, not sure why you didn't choose other counties for a comparison? But as we have the accounts to do a direct comparison, we can choose Mayo and Dublin's from 2016. The total income for Dublin is 7,022,308, the total income for Mayo is 3,076,988, which included over 800,000 in fundraising activities. We can assume both have increased their income since then but that's a massive gap and Mayo would be up there with the highest levels of income in the GAA. Here are the accounts:http://archive.stsylvesters.ie/t2/news/reports-for-dublin-county-conventionhttp://sportlomo-userupload.s3.amazonaws.com/uploaded/galleries/21_uploaded/e72a9d45499535c4e5e22e637a12d314e9330af0.pdf So the question remains, how can allow a county with the level of resources available to Dublin compete against counties with far less?
tritium wrote: » How can you say I have left anything out when you provided the figures? Baffling Equally baffling why you want to focus on old figures. After googling Kerry and Mayo I just googled dublin 2019 figureshttps://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-gaas-annual-commercial-income-breaks-through-the-2m-barrier-38779148.html The problem is it doesn’t really support your notion of a huge juggernaut with vastly greater revenues than everyone else. In fact the income reported is between the other two. Now you might well come back and say there’s something you think should also be in there. But to be honest, especially with the funding to dublin being progressively cut, it’s still really not going to support your arguments. It wouldn’t be a surprise for dublin to be able to deliver better than others on the commercials, for reasons rebel girl already outlined coupled with their current level of success, but the difference in income is actually surprisingly small, and certainly far far too small to in any way be the basis of a split dublin argument Or to put it another way, if a county with dublins resources shouldn’t be competing with counties with “far less” then several other counties are a problem also
Enquiring wrote: » You omitted the 2.7 million under the Strategic Review Committee section, did you look at the full account I linked for you? Are you trying to fiddle the numbers again? I'm not trying to focus on old numbers, we have access to the full accounts for both Mayo and Dublin for 2016. That's a fair comparison. Dublin are miles out in front. The evidence is right there. How is a gap of 4 million to a county with one of the biggest income levels surprisingly small? It's huge! Dublin are 5 and 6 million ahead of other counties and that's comparing up to date figures with Dublin's in 2016. We know Dublin's income and expenditure has increased since then, 3.8 million spent on Games Development in 2019 for example. This really puts the nail in the coffin for those defending the financial disparity. The millions pumped into Dublin GAA has left them with a huge level of resources. The only option is to split Dublin and the resources are there for 4 counties to thrive!
Enquiring wrote: » I don't see any other option looking at the facts; splitting Dublin is the only way forward in my opinion.
tritium wrote: » You know you really need to learn when your arguments dusted and buried. If you really are trying to argue that counties that have between 3.5 and 6+ million in income aren’t getting a fair shake you need to step back and think about things a bit. It actually sounds comical. I mean, stating the obvious here but, how big a gap is acceptable? Because the relative gap from say dublin to Mayo or Kerry is smaller than the gap from say Mayo to Sligo (2019 income of 1.17 million) or Kerry to Waterford (1.9million income in 2019).
superbluedub wrote: » That's no problem and your entitled to your point of view , however , it's my humble opinion that the split doesn't need to happen any time soon if ever
Enquiring wrote: » Well, the level of resources on top of the Dublin only scheme for 2 decades makes the split inevitable I'm afraid. This is an amateur sport, counties entering with professional structures can not be allowed.
superbluedub wrote: » Don't be afraid , your entitled to your opinion , I understand your position on a split , however it's not gonna happen anytime soon if ever .
Enquiring wrote: » Momentum for the split is growing. I'm well aware that those who defend the funding disparity will not want a split. Getting the facts out and showing the level of resources available to Dublin will only increase the appetite for change. The more publicity the better.
superbluedub wrote: » Dublin holding the rest of the gaa to ransom ? Jesus wept If the gaa decides Dublin splits!! The key word here is IF !! Not gonna happen , your only fooling yourself lad .
ArielAtom wrote: » As I’ve said the split will never happen. Pipe dream by a few internet posters, oh and John Connellan, who was incapable of getting his proposal to congress, not really surprising based on his prep for his debate with the Leinster Chairman.
ShyMets wrote: » Enquiring. I'll ask one final time. You've stated that this is a national issue. I asked twice what you were personally doing to effect change beyond posting on Boards. I await your response. Or perhaps I shouldn't hold my breath
MayoAreMagic wrote: » And if you were following that, rather than just taking from it what you wanted to hear, you would know that the chairman was since proven to be not telling the truth in a lot of what he was saying...
MayoAreMagic wrote: » It is a national issue. The future direction of the gaa across the country is very much intertwined with how this plays out. There is a reason why this topic was arising on basically every thread on boards - it affects every facet of the gaa. As for enquiring personally going out and doing something, the same can be asked of anyone in this discussion, I dont get what point you think that makes. Cant you go out and do things to forward your views also?
