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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2132
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Altering vaccines takes time, you won't have one over night.

    Of course altering vaccines takes time but vaccine resistance will take time too.

    Variants will arise that are vaccine resistant rather than vaccine immune. Eventually there will be vaccine immune strains.

    Existing vaccines are likely to be partially effective for new variants.

    A vaccine immune strain is likely to emerge but it is likely to contain the variants which makes the South African variant somewhat vaccine resistant. There's vaccines to deal with this in research.

    We. Will get there. We might all need a booster to deal with variants eventually but what we have will keep us safe against all current variants and probably the next couple of years of variants.


  • #2133
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    snotboogie wrote: »
    What's concerning is that one, this is the state media, not clickbait private journalism and two, a lot of the language being used is very similar to what NPHET use "the vaccine is just a tool in the toolbox" is something NPHET have persistently repeated without much explanation.

    Just remember that tool in your box fixes things :D:)


  • #2134
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, probably the grimmest article I've read since the start of the pandemic : https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

    Some highlights:
    "When asked if that means we are going to have to continue to do things like social distancing, mask wearing, staying away from people, even after we get a vaccine, she replies: "I think in the short to medium term, all of these transmission interventions are likely to still be with us."

    "Dr Sarah Pitt, a microbiologist and vaccine expert from the University of Brighton, said vaccines are "one of the tools in the toolbox, but we will still need to keep doing the other public health measures, such as social distancing and wearing masks, for some time to come."

    "Dr Pitt also warned that we may not have seen the end of lockdowns. Local lockdowns, she says, are still going to be a feature of our lives for some time to come"

    "Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, Linda Bauld, agrees that international travel will remain out of reach for the foreseeable future. "We might not ever return entirely to the normal that we had before, because there might be some things that we want to keep," she said."

    Disappointed in Fergal Bowers who up to this point had been less about the hysteria and doom and more about things as they stood in reality.
    Of late I’ve noticed a shift in his tone towards the ISAG group and their agenda. Many tweets, etc related to them.
    The article isn’t clear on what the majority of scientists or Governments think, it’s handpicked a few who seem to have a fairly negative outlook. Once again we are not getting a represented view from our national broadcaster, we’re getting an article framed to promote an agenda. The reality is no one is 100% sure but going on experiences of these situations in the past, we’ve a good idea.


  • #2135
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    snotboogie wrote: »
    What's concerning is that one, this is the state media, not clickbait private journalism and two, a lot of the language being used is very similar to what NPHET use "the vaccine is just a tool in the toolbox" is something NPHET have persistently repeated without much explanation.
    It is unlikely it will just vanish. There will still be cases and some of them may need treatment. What will be of concern then is the number of cases and how to deal with them. The toolbox is testing, isolation and treatment if required, rapid containment and of course vaccinations. It may also include what we are doing now on social distancing and the like but that will harder to encourage into the future.


  • #2136
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    snotboogie wrote: »
    I have been pro restrictions to control covid and listening to experts from the start. However that article is extremely disheartening.

    I agree, it is really disheartening. It's a possible scenario that we have to be prepared for tho.

    I am taking a more optimistic view about the situation now. Vaccines are being admistrated, boosters are on the way. There is a really good chance covid has a minimal to none impact on our lives in the very near future.

    In the meantime we have to be realistic about what needs to be done in the present(Keeping up some restrctions etc). And also pre plan for the future so we dont get caught on the hop again.

    I wasnt having a pop directly at you with my comment btw. There is an element on here that are constantly criticising and belittling the scientists. It's just so ignorant. These same posters spend their days scouring the web, searching for these articles to post here, and then moan about how negative they are. They are just stuck in their own cycle of hate and negativity. I guess its par for the course on forums and social media unfortunately.

    There is a few great posters on boards who keep bring me back though. Dam you Arghus and co!!


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  • #2137
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Now that the vaccines have arrived, it seems that things are going to get more confused and complicated rather than less. We are soon approaching the point where the top 4 or 5 cohorts on the priority list will have been vaccinated, yet all the medical and scientific experts are still talking about restrictions having to continue for 6 months or more.
    The following questions will need to be addressed and explained:-
    - If the more vulnerable people are vaccinated and protected why can’t everyone else return to normal life given that all the vaccine manufacturers are claiming 100% efficacy against serious illness.
    - Obviously everyone can’t be vaccinated at the same time, so what difference does it make to someone who is vaccinated? If they are protected, they will understandably need to know why they can’t return to doing most of the normal things in life.

    As the number of people vaccinated increases it is going to become more difficult, if not impossible, to justify restrictions and people will just vote with their feet and do their own thing.


  • #2138
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Just remember that tool in your box fixes things :D:)

    Except for the hammer. Which I fear will still be wielded pretty freely


  • #2139
    SeaMermaid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭SeaMermaid


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Now that the vaccines have arrived, it seems that things are going to get more confused and complicated rather than less. We are soon approaching the point where the top 4 or 5 cohorts on the priority list will have been vaccinated, yet all the medical and scientific experts are still talking about restrictions having to continue for 6 months or more.
    The following questions will need to be addressed and explained:-
    - If the more vulnerable people are vaccinated and protected why can’t everyone else return to normal life given that all the vaccine manufacturers are claiming 100% efficacy against serious illness.
    - Obviously everyone can’t be vaccinated at the same time, so what difference does it make to someone who is vaccinated? If they are protected, they will understandably need to know why they can’t return to doing most of the normal things in life.

    As the number of people vaccinated increases it is going to become more difficult, if not impossible, to justify restrictions and people will just vote with their feet and do their own thing.

    Ireland is nowhere near the top vaccination groups being completed. The nursing homes and healthcare workers are completed or near completion. Vaccinating the older population in communities is just after starting with the over 85s last week. They are moving onto the 80 to 85 age group soon. When they move down into lower age groups like 75 to 80, 70 to 75, I presume there will be more of that age group to vaccinate.
    The vaccine is a 2 dose injections and vaccine immunity isn't going to come about over night. It will take many weeks approx 5 weeks I think. A week after the second dose.

    The virus will continue to circulate in the population that moves about. Many middle aged people are falling prey to the virus and they are coming way down on the vaccine list. I would also consider the ages of 60 to 70 years to be a vulnerable to the virus but they are not on the list of vaccines yet.

    The vaccination programme is slow but it's a new vaccine and it's to be expected. There's no magic wand to wave here. People will just need to be patient until more are vaccinated or circulation of the virus in communities come down, whichever comes first.


  • #2140
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,053 ✭✭✭political analyst


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    Ireland is nowhere near the top vaccination groups being completed. The nursing homes and healthcare workers are completed or near completion. Vaccinating the older population in communities is just after starting with the over 85s last week. They are moving onto the 80 to 85 age group soon. When they move down into lower age groups like 75 to 80, 70 to 75, I presume there will be more of that age group to vaccinate.
    The vaccine is a 2 dose injections and vaccine immunity isn't going to come about over night. It will take many weeks approx 5 weeks I think. A week after the second dose.

    The virus will continue to circulate in the population that moves about. Many middle aged people are falling prey to the virus and they are coming way down on the vaccine list. I would also consider the ages of 60 to 70 years to be a vulnerable to the virus but they are not on the list of vaccines yet.

    The vaccination programme is slow but it's a new vaccine and it's to be expected. There's no magic wand to wave here. People will just need to be patient until more are vaccinated or circulation of the virus in communities come down, whichever comes first.

    Not necessarily.

    After all, the mandatory retirement age in the public sector is 65 and most retired people in their 60s - of the public and private sectors - are living very active lives.

    I think the vaccination of all vulnerable people aged 18 and over and everyone over 70 is suitable for and willing to accept the vaccine by the first week of June is achievable.

    The vaccination of all aged 50 and over could be done by the end of August and that of all other adults probably will be done by Hallowe'en.


  • #2141
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭amandstu


    Where can I find a graph that shoes global vaccination figures daily and cumulatively so that these figures can be compared to the other indicators of the pandemic? (eg hospitalizations,cases etc etc)


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  • #2142
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    amandstu wrote: »
    Where can I find a graph that shoes global vaccination figures daily and cumulatively so that these figures can be compared to the other indicators of the pandemic? (eg hospitalizations,cases etc etc)

    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations


  • #2143
    Utopia Parkway
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,033 ✭✭✭✭Utopia Parkway


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, probably the grimmest article I've read since the start of the pandemic : https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

    Some highlights:
    "When asked if that means we are going to have to continue to do things like social distancing, mask wearing, staying away from people, even after we get a vaccine, she replies: "I think in the short to medium term, all of these transmission interventions are likely to still be with us."

    "Dr Sarah Pitt, a microbiologist and vaccine expert from the University of Brighton, said vaccines are "one of the tools in the toolbox, but we will still need to keep doing the other public health measures, such as social distancing and wearing masks, for some time to come."

    "Dr Pitt also warned that we may not have seen the end of lockdowns. Local lockdowns, she says, are still going to be a feature of our lives for some time to come"

    "Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, Linda Bauld, agrees that international travel will remain out of reach for the foreseeable future. "We might not ever return entirely to the normal that we had before, because there might be some things that we want to keep," she said."

    The thing with articles likes this is the answers you get depend on who you ask. Ask 3 different individuals and you'll get 3 different answers. And if you don't like any of the answers you can always leave them out.


  • #2144
    fits
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,069 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    The thing with articles likes this is the answers you get depend on who you ask. Ask 3 different individuals and you'll get 3 different answers. And if you don't like any of the answers you can always leave them out.

    I think it’s also important to point out that people in public health have to think about and plan for worst case scenarios that won’t necessarily come to pass.

    Plenty of reasons to be optimistic at the moment.


  • #2145
    amandstu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭amandstu


    is_that_so wrote: »
    https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

    Gosh ,that has Israel at 92%. Can that be right?

    UK at 30%.... so high already?

    Edit : ok I see it is doses per 100 people not completed vaccinations . That makes more sense.(still not so bad)


  • #2146
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    This is promising, but strange i hat it was only a week or so ago and it was extreme caution being called for. Maybe this has changed with more encouraging data about vaccine's

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/nphet-member-expects-progressive-easing-of-restrictions-from-april-or-may-1157368?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2CQo0tCT1OG31UgJORT8VP7FR9IGviNcH9GZ4e0MPIqT6naYrFyw9Y19g#Echobox=1614521375


  • #2147
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,275 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    SeaMermaid wrote: »
    Ireland is nowhere near the top vaccination groups being completed. The nursing homes and healthcare workers are completed or near completion. Vaccinating the older population in communities is just after starting with the over 85s last week. They are moving onto the 80 to 85 age group soon. When they move down into lower age groups like 75 to 80, 70 to 75, I presume there will be more of that age group to vaccinate.
    The vaccine is a 2 dose injections and vaccine immunity isn't going to come about over night. It will take many weeks approx 5 weeks I think. A week after the second dose.

    The virus will continue to circulate in the population that moves about. Many middle aged people are falling prey to the virus and they are coming way down on the vaccine list. I would also consider the ages of 60 to 70 years to be a vulnerable to the virus but they are not on the list of vaccines yet.

    The vaccination programme is slow but it's a new vaccine and it's to be expected. There's no magic wand to wave here. People will just need to be patient until more are vaccinated or circulation of the virus in communities come down, whichever comes first.

    The vaccines pretty much works from 2 weeks after 1st dose .
    After that the second dose is really to " fix " immunity .
    This is to be seen now in the lower numbers of elderly here in Ireland and healthcare workers getting infected .
    Everything about this is optimistic and pointing towards normality returning sometime in the last half of the year .


  • #2148
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    And again from Rte today

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1366020561395146752?s=19


  • #2149
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    seamus wrote: »
    Great to see the Gardai cracking skulls today. Hopefully a load of arrests too.

    Oh for god's sake. Cracking skulls? What age are you?


  • #2150
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    snotboogie wrote: »
    And again from Rte today

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1366020561395146752?s=19

    Prehaps ignore RTE?


  • #2151
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,500 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    snotboogie wrote: »
    And again from Rte today

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1366020561395146752?s=19

    With the handshake thing I assume he means people could be so used to fist bumping that they'll do it out of habit.

    I'd say he sounds quite optimistic to be honest


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  • #2152
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,700 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    amandstu wrote: »
    Gosh ,that has Israel at 92%. Can that be right?

    UK at 30%.... so high already?

    Edit : ok I see it is doses per 100 people not completed vaccinations . That makes more sense.(still not so bad)

    Israel is 92 doses per 100k; some of those are 2nd doses. Further information further down the page on that link.


  • #2153
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    With the handshake thing I assume he means people could be so used to fist bumping that they'll do it out of habit.

    I'd say he sounds quite optimistic to be honest

    He does indeed. RTE choosing to spin it into existential dread for their clickbait tweet headline.

    I'm becoming more and more convinced that RTE have some extremely serious questions to answer over their conduct during this crisis, particularly after the email leaks showing how willingly complicit they were in pushing the extremists on to our airwaves. Playing games with the nation's mental health, tbh.


  • #2154
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    With the handshake thing I assume he means people could be so used to fist bumping that they'll do it out of habit.

    I'd say he sounds quite optimistic to be honest



    Handshaking is weird anyway, it's like to see a complete stranger, let's clasp our sweaty palms together and shake them up and down as a formal initiation. Yeah no thanks.


  • #2155
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    With the handshake thing I assume he means people could be so used to fist bumping that they'll do it out of habit.

    I'd say he sounds quite optimistic to be honest

    Things will change:

    - no harm a fist pump via a hand shake but not for every occasion.
    - washing hands will be more engrained.
    - I would see the value of a mask on packed public transport.
    - people will demand better hygiene on planes etc.

    Importantly:

    - people will be far more conscious of going into a work place with symptoms and home working should mean the temptation goes down.

    To finish - Colm Henry is one of the good guys. Generally balanced and very human.


  • #2156
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,275 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Now that the vaccines have arrived, it seems that things are going to get more confused and complicated rather than less. We are soon approaching the point where the top 4 or 5 cohorts on the priority list will have been vaccinated, yet all the medical and scientific experts are still talking about restrictions having to continue for 6 months or more.
    The following questions will need to be addressed and explained:-
    - If the more vulnerable people are vaccinated and protected why can’t everyone else return to normal life given that all the vaccine manufacturers are claiming 100% efficacy against serious illness.
    - Obviously everyone can’t be vaccinated at the same time, so what difference does it make to someone who is vaccinated? If they are protected, they will understandably need to know why they can’t return to doing most of the normal things in life.

    As the number of people vaccinated increases it is going to become more difficult, if not impossible, to justify restrictions and people will just vote with their feet and do their own thing.

    While those vulnerable will be protected , others will not be , yet , and allowing the virus to RIP at that stage will not end up with alarming numbers in hospital or deaths but will allow the virus to mutate .
    It might mutate to something less serious and disappear , but given the way it has so far mutated that is most definitely not expected to be the case .
    Those vaccinated will care because nobody wants to see family or friends becoming ill , but it won't affect them healthwise , until their immunity starts to wane .
    Then the vaccines will have to be adjusted for variants which will be developing.
    However allowing variants free rein is not the best way to go .
    The best way is everybody maintaining some minimal restrictions like social distancing and masks until as many as want the vaccine are done predicted by Autumn, and then we can relax and take the yearly booster or whatever is suggested to keep it at bay .


  • #2157
    User142
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭User142


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This is promising, but strange i hat it was only a week or so ago and it was extreme caution being called for. Maybe this has changed with more encouraging data about vaccine's

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/nphet-member-expects-progressive-easing-of-restrictions-from-april-or-may-1157368?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2CQo0tCT1OG31UgJORT8VP7FR9IGviNcH9GZ4e0MPIqT6naYrFyw9Y19g#Echobox=1614521375

    Dr Fauci is allowing vaccinated visitors to his home. Fantastic to see NPHET members here talking of easing restrictions in April prior to the completion of the vaccination program. And with the first easing of restrictions we will have a much more optimistic populace paying far less heed to the variant terrified zero covid movement.


  • #2158
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This is promising, but strange i hat it was only a week or so ago and it was extreme caution being called for. Maybe this has changed with more encouraging data about vaccine's

    https://www.newstalk.com/news/nphet-member-expects-progressive-easing-of-restrictions-from-april-or-may-1157368?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2CQo0tCT1OG31UgJORT8VP7FR9IGviNcH9GZ4e0MPIqT6naYrFyw9Y19g#Echobox=1614521375
    "There will probably be a point at which we have quite widespread vaccinations and many of the restrictions can fall away quite quickly, particularly if vaccination is highly effective, as we hope it might be, in interrupting transmission."


  • #2159
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,275 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Things will change:

    - no harm a fist pump via a hand shake but not for every occasion.
    - washing hands will be more engrained.
    - I would see the value of a mask on packed public transport.
    - people will demand better hygiene on planes etc.

    Importantly:

    - people will be far more conscious of going into a work place with symptoms and home working should mean the temptation goes down.

    To finish - Colm Henry is one of the good guys. Generally balanced and very human.

    Agree 100% , and no harm if some of these hygiene measures stick :D


  • #2160
    mean gene
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 875 ✭✭✭mean gene


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    He does indeed. RTE choosing to spin it into existential dread for their clickbait tweet headline.

    I'm becoming more and more convinced that RTE have some extremely serious questions to answer over their conduct during this crisis, particularly after the email leaks showing how willingly complicit they were in pushing the extremists on to our airwaves. Playing games with the nation's mental health, tbh.

    What email leaks?


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  • #2161
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,264 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Things will change:

    - no harm a fist pump via a hand shake but not for every occasion.
    - washing hands will be more engrained.
    - I would see the value of a mask on packed public transport.
    - people will demand better hygiene on planes etc.

    Importantly:

    - people will be far more conscious of going into a work place with symptoms and home working should mean the temptation goes down.

    To finish - Colm Henry is one of the good guys. Generally balanced and very human.

    I will definitely carry hand sanitizer in my pocket . Will use it in airports , public toilets , when using supermarkets trollies . Will definitely be aware of things like arm rests on public chairs and elevators hand rails
    Sometimes now I think how on earth did I walk around and airport and touch all sorts and then eat my sandwich on a plane
    Will be far more aware after this


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