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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #2102
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,171 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Ok, got confused. But you knew what I meant to put me right. But if this continues, and if a new strain pops up that the vaccine doesn't work, what then?

    Then they alter the vaccine to work against new straines.


  • #2103
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And yet there is this!

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-hongkong-idUSKBN2AI0I8
    Which you'll notice isn't referred to as mandatory anywhere in the article. The HK government are massive pricks in many, many ways. But the Leavehomesafe app really isn't one of them.


  • #2104
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Then they alter the vaccine to work against new straines.

    Altering vaccines takes time, you won't have one over night.


  • #2105
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,752 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Doctor Jimbob wrote: »
    There are plenty of people saying these protests shouldn't be allowed to happen at all because they're a risk for virus spread. There was a lot less of that kind of talk about the BLM protests. It's a fair point, and I say that as someone who would be more in favour of the BLM protests than the current ones.

    All sorts of reports on how the BLM protests didn't increase Covid spread, unlike, say, certain political rallies in the US or any other mass-anti-mask events. The BLM protests were largely peaceful and people wore masks.


  • #2106
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    nocoverart wrote: »
    And if it does work, what then? you'll still be on here looking for the negative in everything I'm sure...

    I'm not being negative, I just want to know what happens with new strains. The virus is here to stay. We're allowing everyone to come of planes without proper quarantining, so it's easy for new strains to come in and spread. Being positive isn't going to stop a virus from spreading.


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  • #2107
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, probably the grimmest article I've read since the start of the pandemic : https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

    Some highlights:
    "When asked if that means we are going to have to continue to do things like social distancing, mask wearing, staying away from people, even after we get a vaccine, she replies: "I think in the short to medium term, all of these transmission interventions are likely to still be with us."

    "Dr Sarah Pitt, a microbiologist and vaccine expert from the University of Brighton, said vaccines are "one of the tools in the toolbox, but we will still need to keep doing the other public health measures, such as social distancing and wearing masks, for some time to come."

    "Dr Pitt also warned that we may not have seen the end of lockdowns. Local lockdowns, she says, are still going to be a feature of our lives for some time to come"

    "Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, Linda Bauld, agrees that international travel will remain out of reach for the foreseeable future. "We might not ever return entirely to the normal that we had before, because there might be some things that we want to keep," she said."


  • #2108
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, probably the grimmest article I've read since the start of the pandemic : https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

    Some highlights:
    "When asked if that means we are going to have to continue to do things like social distancing, mask wearing, staying away from people, even after we get a vaccine, she replies: "I think in the short to medium term, all of these transmission interventions are likely to still be with us."

    "Dr Sarah Pitt, a microbiologist and vaccine expert from the University of Brighton, said vaccines are "one of the tools in the toolbox, but we will still need to keep doing the other public health measures, such as social distancing and wearing masks, for some time to come."

    "Dr Pitt also warned that we may not have seen the end of lockdowns. Local lockdowns, she says, are still going to be a feature of our lives for some time to come"

    "Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, Linda Bauld, agrees that international travel will remain out of reach for the foreseeable future. "We might not ever return entirely to the normal that we had before, because there might be some things that we want to keep," she said."
    History suggests those experts are talking through their collective hoops.


  • #2109
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, probably the grimmest article I've read since the start of the pandemic : https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

    Some highlights:
    "When asked if that means we are going to have to continue to do things like social distancing, mask wearing, staying away from people, even after we get a vaccine, she replies: "I think in the short to medium term, all of these transmission interventions are likely to still be with us."

    "Dr Sarah Pitt, a microbiologist and vaccine expert from the University of Brighton, said vaccines are "one of the tools in the toolbox, but we will still need to keep doing the other public health measures, such as social distancing and wearing masks, for some time to come."

    "Dr Pitt also warned that we may not have seen the end of lockdowns. Local lockdowns, she says, are still going to be a feature of our lives for some time to come"

    "Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, Linda Bauld, agrees that international travel will remain out of reach for the foreseeable future. "We might not ever return entirely to the normal that we had before, because there might be some things that we want to keep," she said."

    Well that answers my question. Local lockdowns will still continue.


  • #2110
    Away With The Fairies
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    History suggests those experts are talking through their collective hoops.

    What history are you going on? We don't have a history with covid.


  • #2111
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What history are you going on? We don't have a history with covid.
    Pandemics are nothing new. Life went on afterwards. Anyone thinking life won't return to normal needs to cop on. It may take time but it will happen.
    Opinions are like assholes everyone has one ( including me)


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  • #2112
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    More scare mongering from rte and a journalist that went from being a main stay when at today fm to someone who disappeared down the black hole in rte.this is the type of bs that’s annoying people that were stuck in this endless nothingness.once enough are vaccinated normal life will resume.once the money runs out it will return even more sharply


  • #2113
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,511 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Well that answers my question. Local lockdowns will still continue.

    Why would you take a quote from one person in Brighton as confirmation of how we will deal with any future surges?

    In that case I’m still waiting for the 100 children to die as per our friend Tomas Ryan.

    We should still keep those refrigerated trucks on standby for all the corpses that Mr Killeen so certainly predicted.

    We better start digging the mass graves required for the 90,000 dead that McConkey forecast.


  • #2114
    ginoginelli
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,332 ✭✭✭ginoginelli


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, probably the grimmest article I've read since the start of the pandemic : https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

    Some highlights:
    "When asked if that means we are going to have to continue to do things like social distancing, mask wearing, staying away from people, even after we get a vaccine, she replies: "I think in the short to medium term, all of these transmission interventions are likely to still be with us."

    "Dr Sarah Pitt, a microbiologist and vaccine expert from the University of Brighton, said vaccines are "one of the tools in the toolbox, but we will still need to keep doing the other public health measures, such as social distancing and wearing masks, for some time to come."

    "Dr Pitt also warned that we may not have seen the end of lockdowns. Local lockdowns, she says, are still going to be a feature of our lives for some time to come"

    "Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, Linda Bauld, agrees that international travel will remain out of reach for the foreseeable future. "We might not ever return entirely to the normal that we had before, because there might be some things that we want to keep," she said."

    ****in stupid scientists, wrecking my buzz with their bleedin negativity.

    I wont be hiding under the ****in bed anymore!






    Am I doing it right?


  • #2115
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    snotboogie wrote: »
    Surprised this hasn't been posted yet, probably the grimmest article I've read since the start of the pandemic : https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0227/1199793-life-after-vaccines/

    Some highlights:
    "When asked if that means we are going to have to continue to do things like social distancing, mask wearing, staying away from people, even after we get a vaccine, she replies: "I think in the short to medium term, all of these transmission interventions are likely to still be with us."

    "Dr Sarah Pitt, a microbiologist and vaccine expert from the University of Brighton, said vaccines are "one of the tools in the toolbox, but we will still need to keep doing the other public health measures, such as social distancing and wearing masks, for some time to come."

    "Dr Pitt also warned that we may not have seen the end of lockdowns. Local lockdowns, she says, are still going to be a feature of our lives for some time to come"

    "Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh, Linda Bauld, agrees that international travel will remain out of reach for the foreseeable future. "We might not ever return entirely to the normal that we had before, because there might be some things that we want to keep," she said."

    A lot of contradictory stuff in that article. Bauld says what you qouted alright about travel but then goes on to say “ But I don't expect international travel to return to normal for much of this year“ . That doesn’t sound like forever.

    Also “short to medium term” isn’t forever either. I think RTE put that article together to make it sound as doom and gloom as possible.


  • #2116
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    lee_baby_simms wrote: »
    Why would you take a quote from one person in Brighton as confirmation of how we will deal with any future surges?

    In that case I’m still waiting for the 100 children to die as per our friend Tomas Ryan.

    We should still keep those refrigerated trucks on standby for all the corpses that Mr Killeen so certainly predicted.

    We better start digging the mass graves required for the 90,000 dead that McConkey forecast.

    Ah great, at least you acknowledge future surges. How should we deal with future surges then?


  • #2117
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Ah great, at least you acknowledge future surges. How should we deal with future surges then?

    Herd immunity will deal with future surges. We are content to allow hundreds of deaths every year caused by influenza, this will be no different. Vaccination is the only game in town. Lockdown as a tool is too damaging.


  • #2118
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Ah great, at least you acknowledge future surges. How should we deal with future surges then?

    Future surges of an unknown ? We'd never leave our homes if that was our thought process

    Them marches might have given the government a kick up the backside . There was so much misery the last few weeks which didn't correlate with the data from vaccines

    They need to come out and say how positive the outlook is now looking . One last sacrifice from the public before normality resumes . And them loons won't be heard from again


  • #2119
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    ginoginelli wrote: »
    ****in stupid scientists, wrecking my buzz with their bleedin negativity.

    I wont be hiding under the ****in bed anymore!






    Am I doing it right?

    I have been pro restrictions to control covid and listening to experts from the start. However that article is extremely disheartening.


  • #2120
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Herd immunity will deal with future surges. We are content to allow hundreds of deaths every year caused by influenza, this will be no different. Vaccination is the only game in town. Lockdown as a tool is too damaging.

    Vaccination is only part of it. It takes months to vaccinate everyone in our little country.


  • #2121
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Altering vaccines takes time, you won't have one over night.
    Actually, it's the testing that takes time.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/moderna-trials-vaccine-for-south-african-variant-of-covid-19-1.4494827


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  • #2122
    amlinopta
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 944 ✭✭✭amlinopta


    Boggerman12 wrote: »
    More scare mongering from rte and a journalist that went from being a main stay when at today fm to someone who disappeared down the black hole in rte.this is the type of bs that’s annoying people that were stuck in this endless nothingness.once enough are vaccinated normal life will resume.once the money runs out it will return even more sharply
    Which journalist is that?


  • #2123
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Vaccination is only part of it. It takes months to vaccinate everyone in our little country.

    Length of time is irrelevant, as I said vaccination is the only game in town. Present measures won't last for ever. Two reasons money runs out , the patience of the population runs out.


  • #2124
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    A lot of contradictory stuff in that article. Bauld says what you qouted alright about travel but then goes on to say “ But I don't expect international travel to return to normal for much of this year“ . That doesn’t sound like forever.

    Also “short to medium term” isn’t forever either. I think RTE put that article together to make it sound as doom and gloom as possible.
    It seems like a lot of disjointed quotes jumbled together without much in the way of analysis.

    Firstly, we don't know what "short to medium term" is, and it means different things to different people. I've heard some people say this is weeks, some months, some years.

    The idea that international travel will be locked down for years (which is one reading of the article) is obviously not going to happen, there is too many economies and industries dependent on it - even at the height of the pandemic last year the tourism-dependent countries were happy to allow visitors in.

    The idea that we will be locked down forever "just in case" new variants emerge also makes no sense. We don't lock down for fear of the (inevitable) dangerous outbreak of a new strain of influenza.

    What will presumably happen this year is a lot of caution. So even after all the vaccines have been given out, we will be asked to take precautions and there might be some restrictions still in place - particularly limits on indoor gatherings (no crowded pubs at Christmas etc.). We might be asked to wear masks for a while, and maybe encouraged to work from home where possible. Relatively minor things in the greater scheme.

    If a new strain does emerge which evades vaccines we will have to tweak the current vaccines - however so far despite massive levels of transmission and thousands of new variants our vaccines still work. So it's not unlikely, but neither is it likely.

    We had a load of scary articles last year about how we might never have vaccines, and now we have 5 with more on the way. If you're not following the science and are instead following RTE you'll think the situation is grim, when if anything we're hopefully nearly out of the worst with the big increase in vaccine supplies due around April/May.


  • #2125
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Vaccination is only part of it. It takes months to vaccinate everyone in our little country.

    Will it take you time to adapt to the pre covid world we lived in ? I'm genuinely curious as there could be a lot of people scarred from this

    Normality is returning very soon .


  • #2126
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Will it take you time to adapt to the pre covid world we lived in ? I'm genuinely curious as there could be a lot of people scarred from this

    Normality is returning very soon .
    It will be the hardest thing to unwind for some people, especially stepping back from treating people as if they have it. I think we can expect mask wearing for a fair length of time, out of choice.


  • #2127
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,810 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    hmmm wrote: »
    It seems like a lot of disjointed quotes jumbled together without much in the way of analysis.

    Firstly, we don't know what "short to medium term" is, and it means different things to different people. I've heard some people say this is weeks, some months, some years.

    The idea that international travel will be locked down for years (which is one reading of the article) is obviously not going to happen, there is too many economies and industries dependent on it - even at the height of the pandemic last year the tourism-dependent countries were happy to allow visitors in.

    The idea that we will be locked down forever "just in case" new variants emerge also makes no sense. We don't lock down for fear of the (inevitable) dangerous outbreak of a new strain of influenza.

    What will presumably happen this year is a lot of caution. So even after all the vaccines have been given out, we will be asked to take precautions and there might be some restrictions still in place - particularly limits on indoor gatherings (no crowded pubs at Christmas etc.). We might be asked to wear masks for a while, and maybe encouraged to work from home where possible. Relatively minor things in the greater scheme.

    If a new strain does emerge which evades vaccines we will have to tweak the current vaccines - however so far despite massive levels of transmission and thousands of new variants our vaccines still work. So it's not unlikely, but neither is it likely.

    We had a load of scary articles last year about how we might never have vaccines, and now we have 5 with more on the way. If you're not following the science and are instead following RTE you'll think the situation is grim, when if anything we're hopefully nearly out of the worst with the big increase in vaccine supplies due around April/May.

    What's concerning is that one, this is the state media, not clickbait private journalism and two, a lot of the language being used is very similar to what NPHET use "the vaccine is just a tool in the toolbox" is something NPHET have persistently repeated without much explanation.


  • #2128
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Will it take you time to adapt to the pre covid world we lived in ? I'm genuinely curious as there could be a lot of people scarred from this

    Normality is returning very soon .

    I probably will have a slow approach to getting back to normal myself. I'll let others go on holidays and go to concerts first before I do any of that.


  • #2129
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    snotboogie wrote: »
    What's concerning is that one, this is the state media, not clickbait private journalism and two, a lot of the language being used is very similar to what NPHET use "the vaccine is just a tool in the toolbox" is something NPHET have persistently repeated without much explanation.

    I know this has been said numerous times but it still bears repeating, RTE has been an absolute disgrace throughout this. They have sought negativity at every opportunity. The latest behaviour was knocking on doors in Limerick student areas to get a story.


  • #2130
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    I probably will have a slow approach to getting back to normal myself. I'll let others go on holidays and go to concerts first before I do any of that.

    Yeah I'm sure a lot of people will be the same . Personal choice and all that

    Mask wearing in crowded indoor areas might be advised going forward during winter . I have no issues with that


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  • #2131
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    snotboogie wrote: »
    What's concerning is that one, this is the state media, not clickbait private journalism and two, a lot of the language being used is very similar to what NPHET use "the vaccine is just a tool in the toolbox" is something NPHET have persistently repeated without much explanation.
    NPHET are doing what they are paid to do, which is public health and controlling the virus and they obviously are right to be concerned about anything which might be a setback.

    To use a wartime analogy, NPHET are like Eisenhower in 1944 saying after D-Day that the war isn't won yet and they would need to be careful, and the media splashing a headline that says "Allies say the war might be lost!".


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