COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

lbj666 · 26-02-2021 08:46PM

Klonker wrote: »

Is there any chance the government could look to take some other EU countries AZ/Oxford vaccines if they are struggling to get people to take them?

It's great to see uptake so high here. I know we like to call our country backwards a lot (and rightly so sometimes) but everyone seems keen to get any vaccine they can get. I listen to some American podcasts and theres a lot of 'which vaccine did you get? Oh that's the good one, the others don't protect against the variants' Thankfully our non fussiness is working in our favour :pac:

I think they'll wait for the US trails end of March in the hope it will put whatever concerns to bed. Tall order though. I think being so close to the coverage in the UK has aided us and the fact that noone spoke out of line prior to the EMA approval.
But keep in mind it's only been rolled out to HCW so far, if gets down risk groups being offered it due to a 3 week wait for and mRNA things might get more stubborn.

WoollyRedHat · 26-02-2021 09:20PM

I have noticed a really interesting trend, this thread now has a high prevalence of posts that are upbeat and informative while the main Covid thread has become full of posts of despair, franticness and anxiety. Fascinating parallels from a socialogical perspective.

There should be a public holiday in honour of scientists and health care workers when the dust settles.

Imagine how grim it would be if this thread could not exist in its current form if vaccines did not yet exist or had failed and there was no light at the end of the tunnel. Good thing we don't have to live with that prospect. Thank the scientists we don't have to. Also thank you for all the knowledgeable posters in this thread that scour the internet and interpret the data and then share it for our convenience. This thread has been amazing for people who are desperate for hope. They can believe again.

ingalway · 26-02-2021 09:21PM

anplaya27 wrote: »

I got the az vaccination 1st dose Tuesday. Was initially grand then sick as anything. 2nd dose in 12 weeks.

How long did it take for you to start feeling sick?

Freaky · 26-02-2021 09:41PM

I got the astrazeneca jab on tuesday in Kerry (healthcare worker). The vaccination centre was extremely well operated and lovely staff who seemed as excited as I was that vaccinations were finally possible.

Felt fine afterwards (got it at 4pm) but woke up at 1am feeling dreadful-- high fever but felt very cold, sweating, headache, couldnt sleep for the rest of the night. This continued for the following day, was improved with paracetamol and loads of water. Still couldnt get out of bed a lot of the next day and had no appetite, like a bad flu felt quite dizzy and zoned out. Side effects left as quickly as they arrived and felt 90 per cent normal by 5pm the next day. Now my arm just hurts a little when I lift it. I was told that i will recieve an appointment for my second jab between 4-12 weeks.

I'm not describing these symptoms to put anyone off and I hope it doesnt. I couldnt have worked the next day so I suggest perhaps having a back up plan for childcare/work etc the next day in case you have similar symptoms. Even though they were unpleasant I was also a bit fascinated by symptoms at the time, a bit like when I was pregnant-- it is amazing what the body can do!

I would have no hesitation about recieving the vaccine and feel so lucky to have recieved it this early.

ingalway · 26-02-2021 09:47PM

Freaky wrote: »

I got the astrazeneca jab on tuesday in Kerry (healthcare worker). The vaccination centre was extremely well operated and lovely staff who seemed as excited as I was that vaccinations were finally possible.

Felt fine afterwards (got it at 4pm) but woke up at 1am feeling dreadful-- high fever but felt very cold, sweating, headache, couldnt sleep for the rest of the night. This continued for the following day, was improved with paracetamol and loads of water. Still couldnt get out of bed a lot of the next day and had no appetite, like a bad flu felt quite dizzy and zoned out. Side effects left as quickly as they arrived and felt 90 per cent normal by 5pm the next day. Now my arm just hurts a little when I lift it. I was told that i will recieve an appointment for my second jab between 4-12 weeks.

I'm not describing these symptoms to put anyone off and I hope it doesnt. I couldnt have worked the next day so I suggest perhaps having a back up plan for childcare/work etc the next day in case you have similar symptoms. Even though they were unpleasant I was also a bit fascinated by symptoms at the time, a bit like when I was pregnant-- it is amazing what the body can do!

I would have no hesitation about recieving the vaccine and feel so lucky to have recieved it this early.

I got mine 9 hours ago. Going by your timeline any side effects might start kicking in soon. So far I'm feeling pretty OK, arm is a little tender and I'm tired but nothing else, yet! I hope it stays this way but it's good to know in advance what could happen and that it should be gone fairly quickly. Thanks for the update.

irishlad. · 26-02-2021 09:50PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I have noticed a really interesting trend, this thread now has a high prevalence of posts that are upbeat and informative while the main Covid thread has become full of posts of despair, franticness and anxiety. Fascinating parallels from a socialogical perspective.

There should be a public holiday in honour of scientists and health care workers when the dust settles.

Imagine how grim it would be if this thread could not exist in its current form if vaccines did not yet exist or had failed and there was no light at the end of the tunnel. Good thing we don't have to live with that prospect. Thank the scientists we don't have to. Also thank you for all the knowledgeable posters in this thread that scour the internet and interpret the data and then share it for our convenience. This thread has been amazing for people who are desperate for hope. They can believe again.

This is the only thread I post in now. We need to start looking forward....some would rather not to though!

Miike · 26-02-2021 09:52PM

Freaky wrote: »

I got the astrazeneca jab on tuesday in Kerry (healthcare worker). The vaccination centre was extremely well operated and lovely staff who seemed as excited as I was that vaccinations were finally possible.

Felt fine afterwards (got it at 4pm) but woke up at 1am feeling dreadful-- high fever but felt very cold, sweating, headache, couldnt sleep for the rest of the night. This continued for the following day, was improved with paracetamol and loads of water. Still couldnt get out of bed a lot of the next day and had no appetite, like a bad flu felt quite dizzy and zoned out. Side effects left as quickly as they arrived and felt 90 per cent normal by 5pm the next day. Now my arm just hurts a little when I lift it. I was told that i will recieve an appointment for my second jab between 4-12 weeks.

I'm not describing these symptoms to put anyone off and I hope it doesnt. I couldnt have worked the next day so I suggest perhaps having a back up plan for childcare/work etc the next day in case you have similar symptoms. Even though they were unpleasant I was also a bit fascinated by symptoms at the time, a bit like when I was pregnant-- it is amazing what the body can do!

I would have no hesitation about recieving the vaccine and feel so lucky to have recieved it this early.

Identical experience and timeline to yourself with AZ vaccine. Id go through it all again a thousand times, if it meant getting some level of protection. While unpleasant, it wasn't a huge deal. I just took to the bed with paracetamol and a book

WoollyRedHat · 26-02-2021 10:06PM

irishlad. wrote: »

This is the only thread I post in now. We need to start looking forward....some would rather not to though!

I think that needs to apply to every facet of society, if we are to avoid pandemics and worldwide suffering to occur going forward.

ACitizenErased · 26-02-2021 10:13PM

I encourage anyone who has vaccine side effects to report them to the HPRA - you can do it on their website. It helps them a lot with vaccine monitoring and will assist the rollout!!

lbj666 · 26-02-2021 10:17PM

Miike wrote: »

Identical experience and timeline to yourself with AZ vaccine. Id go through it all again a thousand times, if it meant getting some level of protection. While unpleasant, it wasn't a huge deal. I just took to the bed with paracetamol and a book

We said it a few times here but is worth repeating, if a teeny benign bit of the virus did that to you, imagine the actual full wack. I'm not exactly comparing apples and apples I know.

ixoy · 26-02-2021 10:17PM

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

I have noticed a really interesting trend, this thread now has a high prevalence of posts that are upbeat and informative while the main Covid thread has become full of posts of despair, franticness and anxiety. Fascinating parallels from a socialogical perspective.

I was thinking very much the same thing. It's the only one worth reading - informative and positive. The amount of despair and anger on the other ones is depressing but here, there's hope. Best of all it's not baseless hope - it's hope grounded in science, in actual data. It's hope founded on reason, built on the bedrock of scientists doing extraordinary work.

NeuralNetwork · 26-02-2021 10:29PM

A relative of mine got the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine yesterday and has had absolutely no side effects at all - not even a mild headache or a sore arm.

She actually reckoned it was a lot easier on her than the flu vaccine last year.

PhoenixParker · 26-02-2021 10:34PM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

A relative of mine got the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine yesterday and has had absolutely no side effects at all - not even a mild headache or a sore arm.

She actually reckoned it was a lot easier on her than the flu vaccine last year.

It's usually the second vaccine that has side effects for pfizer.

NeuralNetwork · 26-02-2021 10:34PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

It's usually the second vaccine that has side effects for pfizer.

I'd say that's likely because you've already got immunity to the spike proteins at that stage, so that's your immune system hitting them.

Probably a good sign!

Micky 32 · 26-02-2021 10:35PM

ixoy wrote: »

I was thinking very much the same thing. It's the only one worth reading - informative and positive. The amount of despair and anger on the other ones is depressing but here, there's hope. Best of all it's not baseless hope - it's hope grounded in science, in actual data. It's hope founded on reason, built on the bedrock of scientists doing extraordinary work.

Aye, posts in another thread from the borders being closed and no international travel for years to the proposed building of permanent quarantine facilities in Australia.

titan18 · 26-02-2021 10:37PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

It's usually the second vaccine that has side effects for pfizer.

Ya, my dad didn't have much when he got his 2nd bar some lower back pain and had none after the 1st dose but he said a lot in the hospital he's in had some decent side effects, enough that you're taking a day or so off to recover in some cases.

Kerry25x · 26-02-2021 10:42PM

PhoenixParker wrote: »

It's usually the second vaccine that has side effects for pfizer.

I had no side effects to either one, I know a few people who were quite sick after the second one though (vomiting for a day/flu like symptoms).

Charles Babbage · 26-02-2021 10:56PM

ingo1984 wrote: »

There was nothing murky about Denmarks acquisition of extra supplies. Greece and Portugal stated that they had excess supply. Hungary, Denmark, and Germany said they would take the extra supply off their hands. Our government still with their heads up their arses.

It wasn't clear to me what marketplace existed where these countries identified their extra supplies. But, I have previously posted here calling on the Irish government to buy up these supplies and I can only agree that they should have got their act together and bought these, especially since they have shown an ability to deploy the vaccines.

hmmm · 26-02-2021 11:13PM

J&J vaccine signed off by FDA advisory panel (not authorised just yet, but that's a formality).
https://twitter.com/megtirrell/status/1365422587220754432

ACitizenErased · 26-02-2021 11:14PM

Fantastic for the US

hmmm · 26-02-2021 11:17PM

I'm impatient now to get vaccinated (to get everyone vaccinated) and get back to normal life - or reasonably normal.

It's ok to feel impatient I think, it's not good to feel frustrated or angry or seek to blame someone for the delay. There's no blame, at least not to the extent it has been whipped up in some quarters - it was always going to take time to ramp up production, and the manufacturers are working on this as fast as they can - I'm sure none of them wanted delays either, but that's just the way it is when you're working flat out on what are often new manufacturing processes.

NeuralNetwork · 26-02-2021 11:20PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Fantastic for the US

EMA is by latest mid-March, so it's possible it could be this week coming or early the week after.

It's unlikely to be long anyway.

Leftwaffe · 26-02-2021 11:46PM

I hear lots of talk about the vaccine rollout being a disaster amongst people. I thought that this would be the case but is it actually true? Are we hitting targets we’ve set? How is it really going?

Could anyone sum it up in a sentence or two please

titan18 · 26-02-2021 11:47PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

I hear lots of talk about the vaccine rollout being a disaster amongst people. I thought that this would be the case but is it actually true? Are we hitting targets we’ve set? How is it really going?

Could anyone sum it up in a sentence or two please

Article here saying we've only used 36% of the AZ vaccines we've got.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40234520.html

Theres about 80k or so vaccines there from that article not done.

Wolf359f · 26-02-2021 11:55PM

titan18 wrote: »

Article here saying we've only used 36% of the AZ vaccines we've got.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40234520.html

Theres about 80k or so vaccines there from that article not done.

That's pretty shoddy journalism.
https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-23-february-2021.pdf
41,996 doses used and that's only up until 23rd, so nearly 3 days to be added to date.
Edit: I just realized the article is using outdated info for all vaccine numbers, the Pfizer and Moderna figures are days outta date also.

Charles Babbage · 26-02-2021 11:57PM

titan18 wrote: »

Article here saying we've only used 36% of the AZ vaccines we've got.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40234520.html

Theres about 80k or so vaccines there from that article not done.

This figure would be clearer if there was some information on how long they were here.

NeuralNetwork · 26-02-2021 11:58PM

The ECDC dashboard has been wildly out of date on occasion for a while now. They said they were sorting that out but, if they don't it will start spinning up angry stories about lagging vaccines as it's a source of data that seems to be solid.

They were reporting a few days ago with figures that made it look like Ireland had only received a very small number of doses, which was just totally inaccurate.

Not sure what the point of putting the data up is if it's not correct.

Wolf359f · 27-02-2021 12:02AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

The ECDC dashboard has been wildly out of date for a while. They said they were sorting that out but, if they don't it will start spinning up angry stories about lagging vaccines as it's a source of data that seems to be solid.

They were reporting a few days ago with figures that made it look like Ireland had only received a very small number of doses, which was just totally inaccurate.

Not sure what the point of putting the data up is if it's not correct.

I'm sorry but Journalists should be reporting the truth, you don't just pull info from a single source, even worse if they know it's unreliable.

NeuralNetwork · 27-02-2021 12:03AM

Wolf359f wrote: »

I'm sorry but Journalists should be reporting the truth, you don't just pull info from a single source, even worse if they know it's unreliable.

I agree, they should check but one would also assume that a source like the ECDC is extremely accurate. It is meant to be an EU health agency. This is meant to be what they do...

It will get worse if you start getting tweeters and bloggers jumping to conclusions based on data that's only being updated very sporadically.

Cue outrage on Twitter - some seriously angry responses.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1365434866750390273?s=20

Wolf359f · 27-02-2021 12:23AM

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

I agree, they should check but one would also assume that a source like the ECDC is extremely accurate. It is meant to be an EU health agency. This is meant to be what they do...

It will get worse if you start getting tweeters and bloggers jumping to conclusions based on data that's only being updated very sporadically.

Cue outrage on Twitter - some seriously angry responses.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1365434866750390273?s=20

Ah once it goes on to Twitter it's too late. People just assume it's true and nothing one can say or do will change that. It ends up into a shouting match.
As much as I hate the term, I think Trump was right in some respects about Fake News!

Every accredited news site should have a report button for people to report an article as fake/inaccurate or misleading and have it automatically lodged with what every group oversees media here.

Edit: I see Fergal now reporting 90% of the AZ has been used or distributed for use in Ireland. Shame he didn't delete his inaccurate retweet though.

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